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Opinions and advice sort on my situation

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toot · 23/05/2003 14:19

I had first child in 97. He came early (7wks) so it was all a bit scary. I started NCT lessons but had only done 2 when baby arrived so didnt really bond with any one. After 6 months that were quiet grim (at home for 1st time ever, knew no one except for my elderly neighbours, that sort of thing)I decided to get out there and meet people.

I joined church tods and met J.and B. We got on quiet well and inspite J having habbit of lecturing about everything (from how well her ds slept to the MMR jab) things rubbed along.I detected that J and B got on better than me and J and would often find that I was excluded from conversations because I hadnt been at a particular outing or coffee morning etc but I didnt really mind. I had enough contact not to feel isolated and I had also made friends with C another new mum to the tods group. After a time we were a 4.

Js lecturing and excluding manner grew over a period of time and I can think of many occasions where shed greet my arrival at Bs house with phrases like "oh! didnt expect to see YOU here" or tell me she was busy if I asked her out etc only to find she`d gone to the zoo etc with B.

I gradually became closer friends with C to the point that I asked her to be God mother to my second son and she asked me to be the G.M to her 3rd. I continued to see and be good friends with B who is the "salt of the earth" but over time, reduced contact with J as she always made me feel unwanted or uncomfortable.

My second child was born in 2001, also premature and after a vomit ridden 7 month pregnancy. J and B also had babies 5 weeks either side of mine. To cap my miserable pregnancy, 6 weeks after the baby came my Dad died at only age 58.

B and C sent me cards, offers of help etc but the only mention made of my absence from our group by J was in a telephone conversation when I invited her to my sons baptism. She said "in the nicest possible way, WE have got use to you not being around". I was very upset.

Last Sept Js son, Bs son and my son all started in reception class at the same school. At the school gate, it was all I could do to get J to acknowledge my exsistance some days. She would often not even say good morning or look in my direction and if I ever made a point of making her notice me she`d say "sorry didnt see you".

Our boys get on well and things continued with J and I only seeing each other at school or in the company of B or C at tods.

At Christmas J had asked what we 4 were going to do about christmas gifts for the children. (The year before we had stopped our usual practice of buying them all gifts as there were now 10 kids and B & C weren`t as well off as J and I). I told J that I would fit in with what ever the others wanted to do. J said that every one was not buying gifts this year and thats how we left it.

The following week at tods, I half heard a conversation between J and C about organising christmas gifts. Privately I asked J what had changed the arrangements and she said she had decided to do things on an individual basis with C,B and I. I asked (jokingly) did that mean buying their children gifts but missing out my two - she said yes. She also pointed at my little one and said why would she buy him a gift, she never sees him and he meant nothing to her. I left.

B was upset and tried to patch things up for everybody.J said she had been misunderstood but I knew different.

Since then I have gone out of my way to avoid J. Ironically, for a while she made great efforts to say hello of a morning and engage me in conversation but I didnt bite. B and her continued to do the sort of things they had before eg take each others kids home from school, take their youngest (same age as my youngest) to clubs ect so I made a real effort to get to know the other mums and their kids so as not to appear to be "billy no mates ".

This actually back fired a little as B has recently told C that I`m not around that much and that I seem to have "readjusted my friendship group" I have not a clue what that means.
I had hoped that B would reolise that I avoided her only when she was chatting to J and that when J is not there I happily chat to B .

The final twist in my sorry tail came recently when I was asked by C to go to soft play outing with her and her youngest 2 children (to celebrate one of their birthdays).
My oldest asked why J and Bs sons had been asked to the birthday party but he had not. I said their wasnt a party, just a soft play visit for the younger ones. My son was so sure it was a party I checked with C only to find that J and B (plus all their children) were going for tea at C house after school. C said it was not a party,just tea with a Birthday cake.

I told her I was hurt a/ that my oldest was not asked to either the soft play outing during the day or the tea party in the evening and b/that obviously she had felt J and I would not mix at a social function for a 3 y.o so had bumped me.
C replied that J and B go together as a set.

We havent spoken since. I dont feel she was the person I thought she was.

I continue to see B every week for lunch and our youngest play.

What do you think - too sensitive? stupidly chucking away friends for un important reasons? or did I basically do right.

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toot · 16/07/2003 13:21

My sons music group shuts down today for the summer hols. Bit deflated. Last week we had organised for an end of term meet up at my house for tomorrow. Unfortunately, for one reason or another, this has kind of disintegrated. We did organise a meet up in the usual music slot next week though, at someone elses house.

Will keep trying to get to know these mums as they seem really nice and friendly and most have son around the age od my ds2. I`m determined to have nice time with my boys this summer even if we see no body else at all though.

School gate situation not good but there are only 4 more days left till end of term.

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toot · 16/07/2003 13:23

p.s thanks CAM and bossykate

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Boe · 16/07/2003 13:27

Don't think I would have the confidence to meet any of you guys, not even sure why.

Not sure would want to either - I have little images of you all that I would not want spoiled - and I think of you all as complete stunners, no wrinkles or cellulite with fantastic bouncy hair and big IQs - not sure if it would be a let down ha ha???

toot · 16/07/2003 16:01

Hate myself for being mentally intimidated but school gate situation dreadfull today. B their early and was chatting to another mummy that Im friends with. Prior to the letter thing Id have gone up and chatted too but I didnt know where to put myself really. Just before the kids came out the other mummy came and sat by me on the grass but It feels just like Im 6 and my class mates have sent me to coventry

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Sonnet · 16/07/2003 16:39

Hi Toots!
Come into this late...Hope you feel a bit better - it's a horrid thing to go through( I've been their too!.) You're following the right course of action and although you know that it's still hurts when it's happening....
IMO - you've done a great thing making contact with the music club - I konw this meetup didn't work but keep at it!!

Cyber hugs..........and a great big grin
I'll be thinking of you - (although won't be able to log on to mumsnet as on holiday) - I'll catch up with this when I'm back
xxx

Kazziegirl · 16/07/2003 18:52

Hi Toots
Sorry to hear that the school gate stuff is still tough going. I and many others will know exactly how you feel - it makes me so mad. As time goes on, hopefully it will get easier and thank goodness the school hols are not far away. I agree that the music group sounds like a great opportunity to make some nice friends. I'm sure you will have lovely summer hols with your children. Hopefully by the time September comes it will all be behind you and won't hurt so much. Keep your chin up.
Kazziegirl xx

toot · 17/07/2003 12:11

Thanks both of you. Situation not good and I feel very sad about it. I just dont know how to act or what to do about tea dates etc with Bs son and mine or Js son and mine. Have cheered myself up a bit with a trip to lidl (see shopping bills thread) and saved some money!

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Sonnet · 17/07/2003 15:21

Hi Toots,
I did read all this thread yesterday, but forgive me if I missed a bit/point of some bits!

  • what about waiting to see if B makes a teadate for the boys over the holidays? Do yours break up tomorrow? - well last day at gates tomorrow!! so keep smiling Sonnet xx
toot · 17/07/2003 16:30

It probably isnt all coherent but Im not sure which bits you mean sonnet. My sons school doesnt break up till next Tue unfortunately.

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Clarinet60 · 21/07/2003 20:45

I've come to this very late, Toots, but I really feel for you, it must be dreadful. I think Willow's advice in particular was spot on.
Your story resonates because I've just been dropped by a friend too, and I'm feeling very lost and bewildered. To make matters even more strange and unfair, this was the kind of 'friend' who I've had to give the benefit of the doubt to thousands of times because of her habit of making barbed, hurtful remarks. It makes me wonder why I bothered putting up with it for so many years and is perhaps a cautionary tale.

Oddly enough, she ignored my youngest's first birthday too, and I found this very hurtful. It's as if they aren't important, isn't it?
Hope things are getting easier for you now.

toot · 22/07/2003 11:53

Thanks Droile, school finishes this lunch time so the I hope the situation will get better or at least be out of my head for a while. Sad is how I feel - sad about the friend I`ve lost and the situation in general. How about you?

I also hate myself for caring about what J and B do at school gate. I find myself thinking "Oh no theyre talking to L (a mummy Ive made friends with over the last year), will I end up loosing her too". Totally unreasonable and irrational I know but it`s just the crappy way I feel. Do you have to go into situations where you see your ex friend Droile?

As for the advice I`ve got on here, people are very kind. The whole process of typing and getting a response makes you fel less cut off. I hope it will help you too Droile.

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Metrobaby · 22/07/2003 12:25

Toot - I just wanted to quickly say GOOD ON YOU GIRL ! I thought the note which you wrote to B saying that you "needed supportive friends not an explanation of why wasn`t friend material" was excellent.

You've done the hardest part now. Walk past them with your head held high. You have nothing to feel sorry for after the way you have been treated. When you see them in Sept at the school gates it will not be as bad as what this week has been. Every day it will get better. By Xmas you won't be batting an eye when you see them.

Hope all goes well at your Bristol meetup. When I went to my first mumsnet meetup I was so nervous that I almost backed out - but I met some nice mumsnetters and I'm really glad I went.

toot · 22/07/2003 14:17

metrobaby

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Clarinet60 · 22/07/2003 17:38

Hi Toot, our paths don't often cross these days, which is why I really feel for you, because simply seeing those people who she does still see gets me into a frenzy. It's really like being back at school. I don't know how you face it every day. It makes you realise why the world is in the state it's in, doesn't it.

Yes, I do still feel sad, but I also have churning feelings about it being unfinished business. I feel like she's a loose cannon that might pop up again and 'talk ill of me' to other people. That sounds feeble, but I hate the thought of being misrepresented.

toot · 22/07/2003 20:59

Drolie it doesnt sound feeble - I quite understand the unfinished churning you describe. Lots of folk on here have said itll be better come september and I sooooo hope they`re right but I fear the best I can hope for is a good holiday with them out of my face (and head).

I left a birthday gift for Bs middle child today. I couldnt picture her thinking wed just not bothered to come to her party tomorrow (she s only 4) so I wanted to leave a gift. I didn`t have the guts to give it to her incase her mum objected so I tucked it under the window wiper of the car (book and card). How odd am I?

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Clarinet60 · 22/07/2003 23:12

Not odd at all Toot, funnily enough, I've done the same! I couldn't bear to think of a child who's birthday I've always remembered getting nothing from me suddenly. Unfortunately, the sentiment wasn't returned.

I'm hoping that time will heal, but this has been going on for most of this year so far, and I'm not feeling any better yet. Friendships are so complicated. Sometimes I wish I was a bloke!

toot · 04/08/2003 13:14

Cs youngest daughter, maria, is my god daughter. It was her birthday last wednesday. I didnt go because the only other guests would have been J, B and their children. I told C that I didnt think Id be the most welcome guest (after the note that B had sent me) . I suggested that I pop round at some other point to see Maria and give her my gift . Things have been a bit quiet on the C front lately, and I didnt go to Bs daughters party for all the reasons posted below. This morning there is a message on my answer phone from C`s husband. He is asking when can HE bring Maria to my house one morning this week to collect her gift.

Shall I just respond to this request with a date, time etc? Id really like to chat to C but I think her not ringing me (especially after Bs note) speaks volumes. Sorry to dump this at the mumsnetters feet once more but I do find the advice helpful if anyone can spare some time again.

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SoupDragon · 04/08/2003 13:30

Can you phone C when you know you'll get to speak to her on the phone and say how you'd really like to bring the gift round and that you'd like to catch up with her? I've only skimmed the more recent bits of this thread but can you tell her you want to rekindle the friendship as you are Maria's god mother.

I know that you don't want to phone because she didn't but it may be worth a last attempt to talk to her if you really want to remain friends (or restart the friendship) If you don't really want to rekindle the friendship then leave things as they are and let her DH come round.

I split acrimoniously froma friend last November and I still seethe about it now so you have my sympathies.

beetroot · 04/08/2003 17:04

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Clarinet60 · 04/08/2003 23:02

I would ring her too. If you manage to speak to her, I think she's bound to come round. I can't imagine not seeing my child's godparent again.

toot · 05/08/2003 15:16

I rang. Her hubby was almost convincing on the phone when he said she wasnt in but I thought I could hear the little ones calling her in the background - perhaps I was wrong. I said Id ring later but I wont Ive posted the gift to Maria together with a note to C saying I hoped that this way, nobody would feel awkward. I wrote that we had once been good friends and picked each other as God Mothers because we wanted our children to have another supportive adult in their lives and not be the sort of God mothers that only poped up at weddings etc. I ended by saying I hadnt wanted things to go the way they had. Who knows, perhaps she`ll reply or perhaps thats it.I gave it my best shot.

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Kazziegirl · 06/08/2003 15:29

Hi Toot
So sorry to hear that you are still having problems. I think you did the right thing trying to speak to her and then sending the present with a note. The ball is well and truly in her court now. I do hope that she sees sense and replies to your note and realises that your relationship as Maria's godmother is too special to throw away. Thinking of you.

Metrobaby · 06/08/2003 16:23

Toot - Sorry this hasn't worked out with both B and C. FWIW, I think you have done all you can now with your relationships with B and C. Perhaps it's time to finally put this matter to bed so to speak. At least you know that you have done all you can from your side in trying to build up these relationships.

It must be v painful for you at the mo, esp considering you and C being godmothers. I think you have acted very reasonably and been patient with B and C. Shame they couldn't extend the courtersey. I can only summise that they must be acting this way 1) through their own guilt, and 2) because they prob don't want to get on the wrong side of nasty J. Maybe they are even apprehensive of her. Either way I would say their behaviour is not what I would expect of a friend. A good friend should be supportive, a good laugh, honest, etc - but should not bring you this much pain.

I'm sure Toot it will get better, and you will make much nicer friends again. Just remember, that friendships take time to develop.

Sending you cyber hugs {{{}}}}anyway and a

toot · 06/08/2003 16:44

Hugs and advice much apprieciated Metrobaby and Kazzie girl. Onward and upward as they say. Had the music mummies round this morning - very nice. Being with nice people (like talking to them on Mums net) makes me think that some relationships are more work than they should be.

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Kazziegirl · 06/08/2003 20:35

Hi again Toots
Glad to hear that you had a good day with some nice Mums. It makes life so much easier if you have uncomplicated friends - you will come to appreciate this so much more now. Let us know how things go.