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SUPPORT THREAD FOR PARTNERS OF ADDICTS - PART 2

985 replies

ginnny · 08/05/2009 11:36

I thought I'd start us a new thread since the old one was going strong for over a year and I know a lot of people find it helpful.
DP did go on a bender Monday and Tuesday, which although I wasn't happy about, I understood why. He is lost and can't cope with the grief of losing his Mum.
Since then though he's been great, so once the funeral is over I'm hoping we can put it behind us and get back to normal.
I've suggested bereavement counselling, but he's not convinced.

OP posts:
Ready4anothercoffee · 04/12/2009 14:06

Attila, i still would love t have you in my RL! BG, unpalatable as it is, attila's advice is spot on. I wish I had had the strength to follow it 18mths ago. If you look up the thread a bit there's the merry go round of addiction, i think you'd find it helpful. In the meantime, start tying up your loose ends and book your tickets...

secretsquirrel1 · 04/12/2009 14:49

Life with an addict is complete and utter hell....and we are all worth soooo much more but we become so wrapped up in the madness that we start to normalise and accept the unacceptable.

Before making any decisions to quit a relationship with an addict, you need to get help for yourselves first. You cannot make a rational decision about anything until you have some space to breathe, some space to understand why addicts behave the way they do.

But also you need to be ready to accept that the help is there. You need to be at YOUR rock bottom to acknowledge this.

This will help you in your recovery as well -because we are as sick as they are. We become so obsessed with their behaviour, that we lose focus on everything else. There is Al Anon for anyone who has been affected by the drinking habits of others (not to be confused with Alcoholics Anonymous) which has sure helped me and numerous others on here. I'm sure there's an equivalent for NA.

It's all very well reacting to the lastest drama by making threats, but that never works because everything calms down, you get the endless promises that 'it won't happen again', you're lulled into a false sense of security, the cycle then starts all over again.

Being a single parent is no big deal. Ok, the perceived money worry may feel very 'real' but you will not believe how much better off you'll be both financially, mentally, spiritually. For a start, they may be earning but how much are you really paying for when you inspect the finances? A lot of us are enabling the addict without even realising it. The supermarket shop always had alcohol in it - that I'D pay for but never see . Then the odd tenner here and there, the lies about not having any money, being short, losing it, money owed to them....all a complete crock of crap, but we all believe them at the time, don't we?

I can't even begin to tell you how much richer our lives are without my EH in our house anymore. I think Christmas is the best time to focus on what really matters - having quality time together in a stress free house, not worrying about having less money for presents for starters!

It's so fantastic to be no longer exhausted, fearful, short tempered, unreasonable, miserable, lonely.

Life DOES get better. I promise!

secretsquirrel1 · 04/12/2009 14:53

Hi Ready, absolutely love the 'New You' - you sound so much better and happier! Well done, an inspiration to everyone!!

ineedalifelaundry · 04/12/2009 19:37

Here's another thing I need to get off my chest.

I've been hiding DH's alcoholism from my family for more than a decade. His parents are dead (they were alcoholics too btw) and DH really looks up to my dad and step mum, seeing them as sort of replacement parents. I didn't want to spoil that for him or betray him by spilling the beans.

Earlier this year, for some reason, I told dad about his alcohol problem. I was feeling low, and I wanted my dad to know about what has become a massive source of stress and sadness in my life. Maybe part of me thought that ass a retired GP, and the father I have idolised my whole life, dad would be able to wave a magic wand and make everything better.

Dad was concerned and upset, and asked me if I wanted him to talk to DH about it. I said no because I thought DH would be very upset with me for going behind his back and telling dad. The one thing dad did say he would do, was to stop drinking himself for a while, to set an example, as he knows DH looks up to him.

A few weeks later, we all went on a big family holiday together, and before we left dad asked me how I wanted to handle the alcohol issue. I said that DH would find it odd if no one was drinking at all on holiday so could we just drink 'normally' as in, sharing a bottle of wine on some nights and not drinking at all on others.

We were away for 2 weeks. Dad brought a stash of wine. In 2 whole weeks, only ONCE was wine not offered. And I suspect that night was probably down to my step mum reminding dad about what we'd agreed. In fairness, DH drank much less than he normally would because he couldn't have a whole bottle and then some all to himself. But I felt totally let down by dad, who I thought was supposed to be setting an example of 'normal' drinking habits.

When I come to think about it, as I was growing up I dad always had a glass of wine or two every night, unless he was on call. He never drinks until he is drunk but he does drink every night. Could he be an alcoholic too? Does one or two glasses every night make an alcoholic, if that person seems to find it very difficult not to have that one glass? Is there a difference between a habit and a dependance and an addiction?

My dad has never let me down in any single thing in my life before this. It took me 12 years to tell him what was going on and now I wish I hadn't because I feel even more alone than before. At least then, I always had the thought that all I would have to do was tell dad and he would take me home and look after me. But that's just the little girl inside me talking. I'm 35 years old, I have to look after myself and my own DD.

Sorry, that was quite a ramble. Thanks if you're still reading.

ginnny · 04/12/2009 20:09

Hi INALL. I wouldn't say that your Dad is an alcoholic, from what you have said. Have you asked him why he didn't follow through with the plan? I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to let you down. Can you have a talk with your Mum about it?
Don't be too hard on him, my uncle is a GP and has a couple of glasses of wine most evenings. If he can't for any reason its not a problem, but if he can he will, and that is imo healthy. Its knowing when to stop.
Being with an alcoholic does make you more sensitive to other peoples drinking I'm afraid.

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secretsquirrel1 · 04/12/2009 22:03

INALL - It is very hard for friends and family to possibly understand/be supportive; go back a couple of pages on this thread and read the 'Merry Go Round Called Denial'.

Ginnny is right; you become hyper-sensitive to the drinking habits of everyone else around you.

Keep talking on here to us.

ineedalifelaundry · 05/12/2009 11:34

Thanks Ginnny and secretsquirrel. I just read the merry go round post. There is a hell of a lot that I recognise in there - particularly in his and my behaviour. But there is also stuff that I'm not certain about, such as the roles of the enabler and the victim. DH has managed to hold down jobs so far, as he only drinks at night. Having said that, he has been out of work for the last few months and hasn't been doing nearly enough about finding new work. Just sits around during the day getting more irritable and depressed. But not drinking in the day, thank God.

Brightongirldownunder, my DH is also in the music industry. I totally understand what you mean about the culture of drinking and drug abuse there. He regularly takes coke and smokes weed when out on gigs. Thankfully, he doesn't bring the drugs home. Just the constant drinking. And because in his music work, people around him (performers and crew and audience) are always drinking, it normalises that behaviour for him. What he doesn't see is that they don't all do it every night at home too.

Ho hum.

ineedalifelaundry · 05/12/2009 17:21

Feel so negative at the moment about DH's problems. That's why I'm posting so much on here.

We talked today about what he's planning to do about being out of work. His response wasn't promising. He seems to have basically given up. He has always been a good provider, in spite of his alcohol problem. He still has his music work but he has always held down a day job too. I'm starting to wonder if the fact that his day job has gone tits up and he can't motivate himself to find another is related to his alcoholism. I hadn't thought that before.

He's in the supermarket getting what we need for tonight's meal. I know he will buy wine too, despite the fact that we are so skint (living on my part time wages) we can't even afford to buy Christmas presents for anyone other than our DD.

I think I'm running out of hope.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/12/2009 17:57

INALL

This is no life for you or your daughter to be witness to. He is and will continue to drag you both down with him. Also weed smoking will have an effect on his motivation; that is probably what you are seeing there and alcohol too acts as a depressant. Your H probably has lost his day job and is now relying on your income to keep going. Now he is going to buy wine this evening!.

You are as much caught up in his alcoholism and he himself is. I am not at all surprised unfortunately to see that his parents were themselves alcoholic; this behaviour is often learnt in childhood.

Your Dad never helped matters by drinking with your H but you have yourself kept your DH's alcoholism quiet. The elephant in the room needs to be let out now, you need to start properly telling people about your H's alcoholism. Your Dad cannot fix him though and neither can you.

Your H cannot do "social drinking", he is just not capable of doing so. He should not be drinking at all but all rhyme and reason go out the window. Your H is also very likely to be in denial about the full extent of his drinking and likely badly underestimates how much he is actually drinking.

Please consider contacting Al-anon for your own self; you cannot save him but you can help your own self here and help your DD as well. Its not just about you, you need to consider her needs too (not that you have not but she needs due consideration). You need to read their literature as well about "the merry go around" of alcoholism.

You are NOT responsible for your H's alcoholism. It is not your burden to carry as well. He has to want to sort out his own problems, he cannot and should not expect you to do this for him.

Make your house an alcohol free zone; anyone drinking with him just enables him further. You cannot drink alcohol with him.

There are no guarantees here; he could lose everything and still drink. But he is still not your responsibility. You are only responsible for your own self and your DD who probably is aware of these problems far more than you think she is.

The 3 cs re alcoholism:-

You did NOT cause this
You CANNOT control this
You CANNOT cure it

ineedalifelaundry · 05/12/2009 19:22

I am going to contact al anon. It's the first (and only) thing on my list of ways to improve our situation. DH knows I'm going to do this and (so far) has shown support for the idea. He knows I suffer because of his drinking.

As for 'properly telling people' as in my family and friends - I feel like I'd be betraying him. I know he would hate me to tell people. It would really embarrass him. He already has an inferiority complex and thinks my whole family look down on him. Having said that, it would be wonderful to feel the full support of my family and friends. I feel so alone most of the time. Surrounded by people who love me but really don't understand what is the biggest source of stress in my life. But it means exposing DH in such a personal issue. I'm not sure he would forgive me. I'm not sure I would forgive myself. I feel guilty just talking in such detail about him on here and worry that we will be recognised in RL.

So, is it fair to expose him to my family and friends? (please bear in mind that he sees little of his own family, regards mine as his surrogate family, and believes they look down on him anyway) I want to tell them but I'm scared.

He didn't buy wine tonight. He bought beers - real ale types. Because I like them (I hate wine after watching him get blottoed on it every night for years) and if I drink them with him it justifies his own drinking. He just walked in the room I'm in and passed me my glass, which had been out of my reach. I wondered to myself whether he would have done that if it had been a cup of coffee. Of course not. He wouldn't even have noticed that it was out of my reach.

I barely drink. Never have had much of a taste for it but even less so these days, having been pregnant and breastfeeding (not stopped yet) and so much put off drinking by DH's behaviour. He wants me to drink more. I will take your advice Atilla and stop drinking completely.

Another question: about alanon. Can I just show up to a meeting or do I need to ring their helpline? Is it open at weekends? Can I take my DD with me? She is 15 months old.

TIA

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/12/2009 20:06

Al-Anon Family Groups UK & Eire
61 Great Dover Street, London SE1 4YF
Confidential Helpline 020 7403 0888
(Helpline available 10 am - 10 pm, 365 days a year)

Good luck to you Ineedalifelaundry

secretsquirrel1 · 06/12/2009 03:43

INALL - you can always CAT me about Al Anon if you like.

Agree with everything Atilla has said....

You are under no obligation to tell anyone else what you have decided to do. And as for the stuff about your father and the holiday - well you don't need to go back to what did/did not happen - you need to move on from that and start focussing on getting help for yourself. You cannot be responsible for your H's relationship with your parents possibly changing as a result of what you decide to do. Stop projecting as to what may or may not happen - it is enough that your H knows you are going to go.

All you ever need to say-should anyone ask-is that His Drinking Habits Are Affecting Me.

secretsquirrel1 · 06/12/2009 03:59

Forgot to add that the behaviour with the beers and the passing the out of reach glass to you - I had to laugh (in an ironic way!)....how many times did my EH do that for me? More times than I'd like to remember .

Incidentally, I'm not some stark raving looney up on MN at this hour - I'm on Nights!

brightongirldownunder · 06/12/2009 10:57

INALL - hope you're ok. Glad someone else has a DH that uses the music industry as an excuse - well thats all it is - an excuse. I've tried to convince myself for so long that its not THAT bad (i.e. he could be shooting up heroin/smoking crack) but the thing is, like you all have said, he's STILL an addict. Took DD out this afternoon and left him at home only to return and find him slumped on the sofa. He had done nothing that I'd asked him to do. He was def stoned which means he had a joint whilst we were out. It makes me sick. I find it and him so unnattractive.
I mentioned narc. anon and he just shrugged. He keeps saying "but I don't drink, so whats the problem?" Just wish I could run away to be with my family for christmas. I hate that a guy who could be so successful and a great dad can turn into a useless twat like this...
I'm a recovering addict (different sort, being ex bulimic) and I know how hard it is to give up something you treat as a means to get through the day. But I give up with this - I refuse to look after him in the future when he's either rotted his lungs away from the smoking or has gone completely gaga. Its not my problem. I didn't ask for this.
Sorry for the rant...

Ready4anothercoffee · 06/12/2009 13:27

That's the thing though, they either can't or won't see that there is a proble with their smoking/drinking. Which is why you sort yourself out (sorry, not very eloquent today) so that you are healthier emotionally and able to make more rational decisions.

someone once said to me that i should change my behaviour and reactions to others behaviour and theirs will change in time as a reaction to mine iygwim.

Ready4anothercoffee · 06/12/2009 13:27

That's the thing though, they either can't or won't see that there is a proble with their smoking/drinking. Which is why you sort yourself out (sorry, not very eloquent today) so that you are healthier emotionally and able to make more rational decisions.

someone once said to me that i should change my behaviour and reactions to others behaviour and theirs will change in time as a reaction to mine iygwim.

ineedalifelaundry · 06/12/2009 20:58

Brightongirl I really feel for you being so far away from your family and going through this.

What you said about finding him unattractive, I can relate to (and I suspect all other partners of addicts can). When DH is sobre I still fancy him, but when he's drinking he becomes this red, bloated blob lying on the sofa and I can hardly bear to look at him, let alone kiss him.

How old is your DD? Is his addiction affecting his relationship with her?

brightongirldownunder · 08/12/2009 05:43

DD is 2 1/2 and absolutely adores him. But there are times when he can lose it (not with her i might add) and then ignores his responsibilities - i.e. - "i need my own space"

The first year after having DD he did virtually nothing apart from show contempt towards me. I will never forget that, especially as it had taken so long to conceive and I was so happy to finally have a child.
I need him to help at the moment because I'm so busy with work. We can't afford more than 2 days a week childcare, so I've told him he has to do as much ofthe rest as possible. I have to admit he is trying to help but I'm so over this experience I just want to go home and live my life back amongst family and friends in brighton.
I haven't admitted this to anyone but I think if I don't sort this out soon this may bring back my problems. I need to stay ontop of this for the sake of DD.
Hopefully I'll be more positive tomorrow.
Thanks so much for being here. I've got no-one else to talk to about this.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/12/2009 07:25

BrightonGirl,

Of course children adore their father. However, it is only when they're older that they realise that their Dad was actually an addict who put his substance abuse before them, and their Mum. He is patently not a good Dad if he cannot also treat his wife with respect.

Have you booked your flight yet for you and DD?.

You cannot save or rescue him but you can save your own selves.

secretsquirrel1 · 08/12/2009 14:07

Hi BrightonGirl, I'm sure that they have Al Anon there - have a look on the website.

Try not to get eaten up with what has happened so far....it is very easy to become consumed with resentment and bitterness over how you've been treated.

It is very, very hard to try to explain why you must not react to what has happened/is happening-after all, it's only human to do so.

Most of the time, the addict has absolutely no recollection of the way they behave. They are in a complete 'Blackout'. And we don't help matters by clearing up after their chaos...because when they sober up they see that everything is back to normal - ok, with some missing ornaments etc. - so they have us retaliating and they genuinely don't know what it's all about.

Try to start over again from today-try to imagine that they are saying nice things to you, not nasty things. Leave the room if they carry on being nasty. Don't react - there's absolutely no point!

Try not to 'expect' of them to do jobs in the house. You should just stop doing them yourself!! You are enabling by keeping house as well as doing everything else....and you are making it a nice comfortable place for them to do absolutely nothing. Why should they, when we keep on at them to do things to our standards? It will get horrible, but try to turn it into a game. Try to laugh about it. Share with us - we will keep your resolve!

Keep posting! And get help for yourself Now!

ineedalifelaundry · 09/12/2009 00:06

Brightongirl, I'm the last person who ought to be giving advice about living with an addict because I haven't really begun to get a grip of my own situation (12 years in) BUT...

I think you should come home as soon as possible. Now if possible. I say this mainly because of your comment that you are in danger of becoming ill again yourself if you stay. You cannot save this man. He can only save himself (this much I have learned) and at the moment your H doesn't even acknowledge that he has a problem. You CAN save yourself and your DD. That is your priority.

It sounds like you really miss your life in Brighton. I'm sure the people there who love you will welcome you home with open arms and give you and your DD the support that your H is incapable of providing at the moment. (I really must just add that I was appalled by your reference to how he treated you after your child was born)

As for me, nothing has changed. He didn't drink last night because he was out working late (and driving home) but all back to normal tonight. I haven't contacted al-anon due to lack of opportunity (and maybe a bit of fear) but believe me, it's high on my priority list.

red37 · 09/12/2009 10:35

Hi everyone
been directed by another mnetter to this thread
I have recently split from dh, cut a long story short, he always liked a drink but over the past two years he has been hiding bottles, even the glass he drinks out of and then denies ever having a drink btw Rum and vodka is his pleasure also we are in alot of debt.

I blew a gasket and told him to leave after finding another 4 empties in 2 days, so he has been staying with his parents since.

His family recently asked me why we split and I told them the truth, they are now basically calling me an exaurator and that there son is not an alcoholic.

I feel so alone, although I have my familes support, we have a ds(4) together, omg he is so much in denial.

I thought that some things were worth fighting for but I am now looking at going down the divorce route as i have carried this burden for a long time.

thanks for reading..x

ineedalifelaundry · 09/12/2009 20:57

Hi red, and welcome.

Well done you for getting yourself out of that situation. Your H is clearly in denial and has managed to convince his family that he's not an addict too. But he will one day see the consequences of his behaviour (losing you) although he may or may not do something about it.

I understand your point about being in debt. We are in debt too, I am the only one bringing in a regular income at the moment, yet my DH will happily spend up to £10 a day on booze. Makes me really

I hope you manage to stay strong for yourself and your DS. I'm glad you've got the support of your own family too. Even though you've separated, you might find alanon useful to talk things through with - especially as you have a child with your H so you are likely to continue to have contact with him for a long time. They run a helpline and support groups for the families of alcoholics. (I am going to ring them for myself tonight. As soon as DD is asleep. DH is out working and this is the first opportunity I've had)

Good luck.

red37 · 10/12/2009 00:12

thanks ineed,

I have contacted al anon and there is a support group in our area that meets on a Monday evening, which i am hoping to get to.

I have also contacted a solictor to start the divorce next week,(a bit scared really)

but why do I feel so guilty, its cutting me up...I know I have to do this as I basically told him he could not come back here living his life the way he was as it was not fair on all of us...I also have 2 teenagers from a previous relationship..my teenagers have witnessed so much, the verbal abuse, temper tantrums, watching him having a tantrum was like watching a 2year old..the constantly being told I was a shit wife whilst funding his habit.

His sis has also been supportive of me, she fell out with the family because they are in such denial of his problem, she has believed he has been an alcoholic for many years.

His parents have this attitude that there DS likes a drink but is not an alcoholic, (they believe an alcoholic sleeps on a park bench)
tbh I think they need educating and get there heads from up there backsides, also they are not helping him by being like this.

Yes the £10 a day rings a strong bell..good luck

secretsquirrel1 · 10/12/2009 13:07

Hi Red & welcome - Please please at least get yourself into a better head space before actually deciding to do anything. You need to take good care of yourself first.

I know that you have personal space with him out of the way, but how would you honestly feel if he 'suddenly saw the light', got sober, and was wanting to start again? You'll've initiated divorce proceedings....get advice by all means but please wait before acting.