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Am I just being petty?

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YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 16/03/2009 12:30

I asked H to move out a couple of weeks ago. I'm 34 weeks pregnant with dc3.

H has been depressed for the last 18 months. He's been having counselling for a year and is on 40mg Citalopram.

He has been diagnosed as Passive Aggressive and has been emotionally abusive towards me for over a year.

My family and friends are very supportive, but all are a long way away. Lately I have had a few comments along the lines of "It's really hard sometimes to see why things are so bad when all the things he does are so small and petty" this is always followed by a disclaimer saying "of course I know things are that bad, but when I think about what you've said later on it just doesn't seem such an issue".

So I'm beginning to worry that maybe I am blowing it out of all proportion.

I have supported him completely (and alone apart from medical professionals) for 18 months. In that time he has blamed me for all his problems on a regular basis, told me not to be sad or cry around him (and by around him I mean hiding in the bathroom where he overheard) because I am making him feel bad and am holding back his progress, has completely emotionally neglected me whilst expecting 100% comfort (which I have given, and has been verbally aggressive and nasty on a regular basis whenever he feels angry or frustrated by anything.

His PA means that he offers the world and delivers only excuses. His current thing is to blame his behaviour on the PA, so that he is not responsible for it.

He has stopped taking his medication on occasion (without telling me or his GP or counsellor).

He knows my history of MC and the fact that I was terrified in early pregnancy, and deliberately avoided supporting me or being there for scans. I was also banned from crying and expected to support him and let him be angry with me - which I was not strong enough to do at the time, but did

He told me he wanted me to only be happy around him and that he was happy to help with practical issues in the home but couldn't cope with my developing depression (although I still had to deal with his and was still offering him comfort). Basically he wants a family with none of the emotional responsibility of it. He would sit and get angry with me while I cried.

He lies constantly and casually and has to be prompted to do everything. His depression has not affected his job at all and he is successful in his career.

So much of what he does is so petty - lying about small things which he will definitely be caught out for.

Since he moved out 2 weeks ago (and the point of him moving out was to break the patterns of behaviour we were stuck in and give me some space to get ready for dc3 without his constant draining) he has been behaving like a teenager and avoiding his issues completely. He promised he would put everything into fixing his marriage, he swears he loves me and promises the world (but can't even talk to me when I'm sad), but instead he lied to me about going out (started off saying he wasn't doing anything, then that some mates had arranged to go out for a drink and he went too, then revealed he had arranged a birthday party for himself as he hadn't had one a month ago). He has problems with alcohol (not to mention being on meds) and made me a promise 9 months ago after he was verbally abusive to me and humiliated me in front of all his friends, to never drink more than 2 drinks in a night. This promise he has kept (even when under enormous social pressure) and I was so proud of him for keeping it; until Friday. When he not only got drunk, but planned to get drunk while sober and made arrangements to get home etc.

It seems such a small thing to base breaking a marriage up on, but that promise was the only real thing he has done in the last year to prove he still loves and respects me (his words can't be trusted)

This is not the man I married. This man is selfish and nasty and thinks of nobody but himself. He is completely unwilling to take responsibility for his actions and is still trying to blame me for everything.

I'm starting to really hate him. And I can't cope with being told I am petty on top of it

Unless of course it is true, and I am being petty... in which case I do need to know.

I love him and want my best friend back. I still hope he'll wake up one day and that self-pitying leech will be gone. I am so angry with him now. Feel like I've wasted 10 years.

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YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 19/03/2009 12:41

Will continue to rise above it all (But also not beat myself up when I fail to rise above it).

Funnily enough my apathy about him not arranging babysitting for this evening, has immediately resulted in him sorting it

But I don't care I will go, and I will not get drawn into his dramas.

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immortalbeloved · 20/03/2009 16:12

Oh no, what happened?

Please don't be so hard on yourself, your not in an easy position at all

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 20/03/2009 16:47

Asked him to talk

Everything's all my fault now. He doesn't even remember the things I've done for him

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immortalbeloved · 20/03/2009 18:53

I'm so sorry

but I understand why you did it. I know the sensible opition is to just ignore and keep a distance, but I know that it's not that easy

At least you'll know you've done everything you can, I hope he comes around and you can work thing out but if not you'll know you did everything in your power and you won't be left with 'what if's'

It is NOT your fault though, you have gone above and beyond as far as I can see

blinks · 20/03/2009 19:06

bummer.

cheerfulvicky · 20/03/2009 20:51

You're doing fine hon, you're learning well about the things that do and don't work. This is important but hard work, this clearing and understanding. And it hurts But one day this will all be long ago. You will remember the conversation, and it WILL NOT matter. You'll feel unmoved, or just shake your head and smile. I promise you that he will not always have the ability to mess with your moods just by speaking words, it will be impossible for him to reach you.
Hang in there.
x

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 21/03/2009 09:51

Thanks everyone. DS1 asked me why daddy is so angry with me I told him it wasn't XH's fault, it was just the illness (he knows H has depression).

He has actually re-written history in his head to make him the good guy. I should have expected it. I just hadn't expected just how out of touch with reality he is.

H asked me beginning of the week if he could swap contact days as he wanted to go around to a friend's to watch the rugby. I said I'd think about it because I had a couple of people wanting to come and see us and didn't want to commit without being sure. H never asked again so I thought it was done with. But then suddenly on Friday (when I had made plans for the weekend and couldn't swap - only possible day for friends to come up) it was 'me being controlling and trying to ruin his social life'. In his world I was changing my mind, and although I hadn't said yes (which he acknowledged) I hadn't said no, so he'd made plans.

I was ruining everything because he was becoming "unreliable" in his friends' eyes (screw the DCs eyes). So he then announced that he would be going anyway and wouldn't see the boys.

And... I reacted. I tried to get him to see that he was choosing his friends over his children (shrugged off as me being controlling), I tried to get him to see that on the days he has them he is their primary carer and he had no right to pick them up and drop them at will (my fault because I never said no). The more upset I got, the angrier he got.

And I should have walked away and given up, but it was so unfair on the boys

Then suddenly. Snap of the fingers and he's an emotional mess. Crying. Begging forgiveness. "It's all my fault, of course I'll take the boys, I'm so sorry, I need help, how could I get so angry when you were so sad? Is this what life was like for you every day? Oh, how could I do this to you all. I'll go to anger management. I'll go to CBT counselling. I'll do anything. etc. etc."

He finally left agreeing to pick them up this morning. I feel like a fool that has been played - again. And I am. But at least I know that my motivation was love and trying to protect my family.

Oh and after the big remorse trip I had a moment of self-pity and said I was jealous of other people's husbands who indulge them in their last month of pregnancy. His comment? "I don't think that's fair. I'm sure there are things I do that other dh's don't do." I did find myself at this point and told him that I did not have to justify my hurt to him and that he had no right to attempt to belittle what I am going through.

So, just out of interest, anyone want to swap? He may emotionally abuse you, ask you to be in no way emotional, and get angry with you and blame you when he is in the wrong, but he can fill a dishwasher and gives a good back massage when the mood takes him. Any takers?

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cheerfulvicky · 21/03/2009 10:29

Well, my XP is terrible at massage so perhaps... Nah. It's alright. I think we're well shot of both of em

It's interesting how they switch approaches at random isn't it? When the first one isn't working
Stay strong! And remember, deep breath, smile calmly and WALK AWAY. Do not engage. Do not justify. Just detach, and walk away.

blinks · 21/03/2009 14:54

victim complex.

all your reponses to his blithering were spot on, i reckon.

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 21/03/2009 15:16

CV Got your keys yet?

blinks, thanks it's just all so bloody stupid.

One day I'll learn

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YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 21/11/2019 07:57

Sorry about re-animating this old thread. How the hell was it ten years ago?! I was going through my watched threads and deleting them, and hadn’t realised there was more than one page. Hidden away was this thread that I couldn’t help opening and reading.

Bloody hell, me! I remember that pain and exhaustion almost as though it happened to someone else now. Thread after thread of lovely people offering their time and support to me when I felt utterly broken and so very alone.

Who knew a bunch of strangers could do so much. I don’t want to tag everyone who helped me, I don’t even know if everyone is still around, but my God you gave me strength and permission to do what I needed to do.

I doubt anyone remembers, but I do, and I always will.

Ten years have passed, ds1 is fully grown now and that baby is ten. It took me two more years before I finally left him. It took that long for me to feel absolutely certain I was doing the right thing.

And it was definitely the right thing. Of course I wish I had left earlier, but that’s not the path I needed to take, and I am grateful to the incredible women who didn’t hurry me.

Obviously after I left XH revealed his true colours and became the nightmare he always was. I had so clearly separated him into two people in my head; there was good dh and ill dh, but with the benefit of hindsight ill dh didn’t really exist, he had just given himself permission to be selfish. Bad dh was there from day one, but as long as I agreed with him and he was my main focus, it was fine (which is no way to live).

So the story doesn’t have a happy ending, but that’s only because it hasn’t ended yet! I’m still going! The dcs see xh once a month and have a positive, superficial relationship with him, I never see him at all, which is good because if I’m honest, I am scared of him despite knowing that he cannot hurt me anymore. The emotional abuse was tortuous, and I don’t know how I found the strength to withstand it for so long.

As for me, I have moved on. I have a lovely husband now - why didn’t anyone tell me relationships were supposed to be like this?!

On one of the threads I re-read, someone said to me, “I don’t think you are an unhappy person, I think this situation has made you that” (sorry I can’t remember who) and they were so right. I am happy now, not in an unrealistic Disney-way, but in a genuine, contented way. My dh has encouraged me to do the things that I love, and I’m slowly building a career in my passions.

Reading these threads made me feel sad, but I hope adding this bit might offer some hope to someone who is stuck where I was.

XH knew my MN name, so I had to leave crunch behind with the divorce, but I’m still around sometimes.

The most powerful thing anyone can do is give a person permission to leave. Often no one in RL will give you that. Since leaving many people have told me how glad they are that I did it - including the people who encouraged me to stay!

I just wanted to say a huge thank you. I cannot ever express how much you all meant to me, and how I couldn’t have done it without you - even though it must have felt like bashing your head against a wall at times Grin sorry about that, but I promise your time was not wasted.

Thank you. Thank you for making my children happy (because they really are happy now, and they weren’t back then), and thank you for helping me find my happiness. It’s not in Dh - as much as I adore him, I have boundaries now, and the ability to not put up with shit for the sake of love - it’s in me.

I had to do a lot of rebuilding after things ended, a lot of damage had been done, but my God a weight was lifted from my shoulders. I was lighter than I had ever been.

Much love to everyone who has ever gently suggested leaving the bastard, you have no idea how empowering it is to be on the receiving end of it. It might have taken me 4 years from the first LTB to the last, but that was just the path I had to take FlowersCakeWineBrew

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YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 21/11/2019 08:44

Ah, sod it, I didn’t want to tag people because chances are they’ve moved on and I know not everyone is on this thread, and I’ll miss someone out. Dittany and Reality were also so supportive and I don’t think either are around anymore. Dittany was always so wise and firm, she cut through all the nonsense like nobody else.

@MargotBeauregarde @onepieceofcremeegg @MyNameIsInigoMontoya @BabyBaking @Lulumama @cheerfulvicky @theDreadPiratePerArdua @blinks I’m sure I’ve missed people. Oh and of course @AnyFucker on other threads was just so bloody lovely. Everyone showed such enormous patience. You modelled everything that my life was missing.

Anyway. That’s enough gushing for one day. You may go about your business.

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hellsbellsmelons · 21/11/2019 09:32

Wow OP - that's a fantastic update.
So pleased you are happy now.
You certainly deserve it after everything you put up with.
Well done on getting out and finding love again.
Big hugs to you and your DC!!!!

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 21/11/2019 12:29

Thank you, that’s so kind! It’s really hard to read this thread. I remember that feeling as though I were wading through mud all the time. I used to see it as a choice between two crappy things - who knew that people meant it when they said it shouldn’t be this hard! I’m a bit slowWinkGrin

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Ilovethekitties · 21/11/2019 13:48

What an amazing update to read, good for you OP.

cacklingmags · 21/11/2019 15:43

Hey OP,
Well done mate.

GettingABitDesperateNow · 21/11/2019 16:07

No advice I just want to say the issues are not petty whatsoever. Everyone has ups and down but generally people should be able to expect some emotional support from their partner. He has not only not provided this but been actively cruel and unsupportive, getting angry about you showing any emotion when you are pregnant is actually quite cruel. Also blaming someone for your own mental health issues and constant lying just be exhausting. Any of those reasons themselves are enough to justify leaving

GettingABitDesperateNow · 21/11/2019 16:09

Oops didn't see it was an old thread sorry! So nice to hear a happy ending!

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 21/11/2019 19:34

Getting, it’s still lovely to hear that I wasn’t being petty, and I can definitely say that you were giving the right advice! Flowers

Ilovethekitties and cacklingmags, cheers Wine

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