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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

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Right, listen up everybody.

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RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
GKlimt · 08/03/2011 20:36

Brilliant post.

findanewnamequick · 08/03/2011 21:57

This needs saying, and saying often.

And as for this not being the right place, atswimtwolengths... I wish I could feel patronised by this but unfortunately I needed to read it. If it weren't for this and another thread, I would still be in an abusive marriage.

3 cheers for Reality!

SmashingNarcissistsMirrors · 08/03/2011 22:09

most relationships aren't dysfunctional? what, on any level?.....i find that so hard to believe. maybe that says more about my life story which is sad. are there any statistics?

Bumblequeen · 08/03/2011 22:41

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Skifit · 10/03/2011 09:10

Same here Bumblequeen, i too stayed for fear of being alone....stupid i know .
It seems once one gets past what i call "The Honeymoon period,", reality sets in, and so does taking each other for granted, and best behaviour goes out of the window.

GKlimt · 10/03/2011 18:17

Brilliant Post

ThereGoesTheFear · 14/03/2011 22:59

Bump

lubeybooby · 25/03/2011 17:59

bump

HerHissyness · 30/06/2011 20:52

I keep meaning to hunt for this thread. It needed bumping. AGAIN.

This is the first time I have read it since I ended it with abusive X. I can't describe how it resonates with me now. I am shaking.

From my current position of freedom, I look back at this old prison of a life and wonder what on earth was I thinking.

Some of the time I knew it was wrong, some of the time I felt I deserved better. However it wasn't long before a comment here, a remark there or the plain futility of my existence defused any hope of a better life.

I saw a chance to get out, to let him go, and I took it. It was hard, but I took a deep breath hung on to the little hopes and dreams I had for a free and fair future, holidays abroad, happy DS, lots of dear friends, and let him go.

Ok I kinda dumped his sorry arse at Heathrow, by the end of that last car journey, the scales all fell from my eyes, his madness in trying literally every trick in the book to reel me back in was sickening. I could also smell the sweet scent of freedom, I was in the final strait. I could see that I'd not have to answer to any miserable misogynistic xenophobe ever again.

My throat ached with the painful lump of uncried tears. My heart heavy with the knowledge that I'd have to admit defeat, my brain swirling with incredulity that I had been such a fool for so long.

3 days. THREE days and I realised things were better. 10 years of egg-shells and fear, 3 years in a life worse than hell, in almost total isolation and virtual imprisonment. Yet 3 days of him having left? The lump in the throat was gone. The feeling of abject stupidity, also no more.

I got an immense amount of help from so many wonderful wonderful women on here, and with their words, I started to forgive myself for having been tricked by a master emotional conman.

I also got Lundy Bancroft's Why Does He Do That, and I've totally forgiven myself. I know who caused this all, who chose to do it to me, and why. I don't feel an ounce of sympathy towards him now, if he died, I'd be happy. Truly I would.

Cold? Cruel? perhaps. But no more cruel than he was to me. I hope Karma bites his dick off. Really I do.

So please, if you are in a relationship that looks like the one described in the OP. Don't muck about waiting for him to grow a conscience. It'll never, ever happen. Put yourself first, don't allow anyone to treat you any less than equal. Do it for you, for your kids, but do it. Today.

davidtennantsmistress · 01/07/2011 13:25

very true.

TeachMySelfBalance · 20/07/2011 18:20

Bump.

freeandhappy · 21/07/2011 14:18

aaand bump!

changeforthebetter · 21/07/2011 15:42

Bump Smile

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 26/07/2011 08:08

Bumping this thread again as Reality said it all so eloquently; exactly what I am feeling today.

I have been spending a lot of time on the Relationships board in the past couple months, and my heart just bleeds at all the pain endured by people who all, every last one of them, deserve so much better. Respect is a baseline need in a relationship, not something you should have to beg your partner for.

ChocolateTeacup · 13/08/2011 17:38

Bumping it again

buzzsorekillington · 08/09/2011 22:42

bump

NettleTea · 05/10/2011 10:08

and another as there seems to be alot of them about atm

BruciesDollyDealer · 05/10/2011 10:38

i would add to the OP that people have to take responsiblity for their own choices and actions. Its not always someone else's fault

tallwivglasses · 05/10/2011 21:14

I feel a mixture of sad and glad every time this is bumped.

I'm tempted to copy it and stick it up everywhere I see a DV helpline flyer. And to give it to my daughter and every one of her friends.

Brucie, in many cases the victim is very young or has been damaged during their childhood. Maybe you've got a point? Hmm but I think OP's post is perfect as it stands.

babypusher · 05/10/2011 22:28

sad I know but im in tears over this post x thankyou x

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 06/10/2011 11:01

Bumping, with resources that might be useful to MNers in abusive relationships:

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, denied your own bank card or kept on a tight "housekeeping" budget that entitles him to privileges while you are supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
" Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

FiniteIncantatem · 06/10/2011 13:12

So glad this has been bumped again. I have given it to a couple of people and may stick one up somewhere in the house for when I finally feel brave enough to date again!
Thanks Reality!

caramelwaffle · 06/10/2011 14:28

Excellent linksItsMe Thanks

StewieGriffinsMom · 19/10/2011 12:27

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RealityIsADistantMemory · 19/10/2011 12:28

Bumpity bump