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Right, listen up everybody.

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RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
sugarcoatedthorns · 27/09/2018 14:17
  • its MEN [that are killing 2/3women a week] If this was a disease, its an epidemic, but not being treated like one
sugarcoatedthorns · 27/09/2018 15:21

snoopy37 what amazing news to hear, another one managed to escape the clutches! I'm sure you already know that this is a very dangerous time, as the perp has nothing to lose now and can escalate rapidly to very volatile and erratic, or be all hearts and flowers again, smooth, calm and so very apologetic. Best to have no contact now and give yourself a much needed head space from him, while you start to recover and gather your energies again.

Huge cheers!!!👏🌷Wine Brew Cake Flowers

Harmonysg85 · 06/10/2018 14:44

A bit of an eye opener. My eyes have been shut for a very long time. Thank you.

smotheroffive · 06/10/2018 23:37

hope you're ok Harmonysg85 have you got support to help you make sense and choices now?

Call WA helpline if you need to. If you are thinking about escaping it, please talk to them to safety plan, even if you think you might not need it 'because he's never hurt me', he might have or not, but its still a flashpoint for violence escalating very quickly.

I hope you are ok

Sally2791 · 09/10/2018 20:12

Such a good post to read.And re read.Thank you

Jkreitze · 19/10/2018 01:40

Daughter has BPD and blames father for abuse that was non-existent.
Mother caught in middle.
I adore my husband, and know and find him to be good and noble.
We spent ten years keeping our daughter alive....horrific drug overdoses and suicide attempts...got her great help, and she is out doing well.
But wants nothing to do with us...no communication.
The same thing my step-sister did to my father.
We will survive and try to make our last years fun and calm.
But Cuts like a knife through the heart, but must think of my husband, who has cancer and heart disease, and need to save our health. (Husband had heart attack because daughter said "...I never want to see you again until you are on your death bed..."}. Wow.
I often think about how it was my husband's idea to have a baby...he said I would make a great mom. He has a wonderful son, my step-son. Attentive and kind. Had a great time and fun with our daughter until she was 18 and went to Berkeley...a hot bed of stress and drugs. Bad decision.
I'm told this is all too common in families. Has the whole world gone mad? No way to fix this, but will continue to communicate via letters and trying to call once in awhile, though she never responds or picks up.

Sugarcoatedhorns · 21/10/2018 11:25

Jkreitze how tragic for everyone.
I am truly shook that someone could have a heart attack from words (I mean obviously he had very bad heart disease and was on the verge as you don't have a heart attack out of nowhere).

There will be a thread somewhere that's similar to yours re estrangement of dc, for advice and support.

I hope you can find one.

Jewels65 · 21/10/2018 22:40

So how do you get out. Especially if money is a concern x

Sugarcoatedhorns · 21/10/2018 22:53

Hi Jewels well firstly so sorry to hear you are in this, uppermost should be 'safely'. Violence can escalate from nowhere especially when leaving. It's vital he doesn't know. You can leave by stowing things away at an uber trusted friends/family, but not just anyone, I have been so betrayed by friends because of his manipulations.
Call women's aid on their helpline 0808 2000247. They will give you local contacts to you, in absolute confidence, and without judgement, and can advise on safety, but will not tell you what to do.
Can you sneak out passport/utility bill/bank statements/birth certa/mortgage or rental docs? All this will make it easier on the other side, but I'd you suddenly need to go just go, hide and phone police, they will help find refuge, if you don't have a safe place to go.
If you can throw some stuff in a hidden bag?
Howmuch time do you have because if you can get some money out so much the better on the other side, but there might be emergency funds, and in refuge there's no instant demand for funds and food/basic supplies are provided to get started on.

Is there anything else you want to know? Are you safe now? Huge strength to you for doing this, don't tell him, or let on, just keep your head down and planning/sorted. It is possible to get social fund loan too. You would be given help with sorting out any benefits.
I hope you are ok

Jux · 23/10/2018 17:28

Bumping again.

Happydayznow · 24/10/2018 11:27

Love this so true ❤️ I walked away from a toxic relationship. I have spent a few years teaching myself I will not settle for less than a healthy happy relationship. I’ve also admitted to myself that I’m not straight and the relationships I had when I was younger were not a phase. This admittance has left me rather confused about what I do now!

Sugarcoatedhorns · 24/10/2018 13:29

Happy hurrah!!!! The confusion behind you, do you not now feel free to have your relationship of choice? I can't help with how you would go about that but the who world is a lot more 'out' now so at least it should be easier to seek a good like-minded person? (Like-'minded': being the wrong word obvs, like-bodied maybe)

Maybe it needs a new thread inviting tips from other that have experience in this, on the next steps for you?!

Happydayznow · 24/10/2018 13:58

Thank you. I’ve posted x

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Shriekingbanshee · 24/10/2018 21:44

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.and you have no shame! Get off our thread!

Mrstobe90 · 30/10/2018 23:18

I love this

spinningworld · 04/11/2018 17:09

I love all of this and it means so much

But......I'm so struggling at the moment. My cheating ex, slept with ow three times before he realised it was mistake! I've kicked him out, and the thought of them together makes my stomach turn.

I miss him so much, I keep drafting messages to him (still sitting in my drafts) I'm stupidly trying to convince myself I could trust him again one day and we would be happy. I then read your post and know my thoughts are madness

I just feel so weak, 40 next year. Good job, own house, but no kids and I can't help feeling I'm now on the shelf forever.

temporarilyvoluntarilymerrily · 08/11/2018 12:10

I was half expecting this thread to be about doing the twist.

Shriek · 08/11/2018 13:58

What were your clues to that temporarily ?

Jux · 08/11/2018 16:29

spinningworld, you won't be - unless you decide you prefer to be without a partner after all (stranger things have happened!), sometimes they're just more trouble than they're worth.

Do you have your own thread?

Joanner5 · 14/11/2018 17:50

Hello i was looking people view on parents dating r asking out their child's teacher is there a policy against it?

Jux · 14/11/2018 18:06

Best you start your own thread @Joanner

Jux · 14/11/2018 18:08

... but I don't think MN does have a policy covering that. Do you think they should? Wink

Atl377 · 16/11/2018 19:24

This is a fantastic thread and in fact the mumsnet site had been a godsend to me lately.Im 40 and just out of a short but intense emotionally/violent relationship.He really did a number on me and I’m severley traumatised by what I put up with for nearly two years.Its dawning on slowly me too that my childhood was abusive as in my dad was violent and controlling.Its horrible but were worth so much more and gradually I’m telling myself none of this was my fault,Love to all x

ImTooOldForThisShit · 19/11/2018 22:03

Just read the op and it really resonated just now. Thank you x