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Right, listen up everybody.

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RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

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loveablether · 03/05/2018 22:07

I love this. Hear hear - standing ovation

Suzi12344 · 06/05/2018 15:31

I dont no what should i do

MHeyes24 · 07/05/2018 09:38

I totally agree but how about this one... my partner of four years is an ex Royal Marine officer, he served 36 years and saw and did well you can only imagine. He has combat stress and MH issues. He is just starting to get help but it's been a Long road with a man who loves me to bits but a) struggles to show feelings as they've been trained out of him and b) was bullied as a child by his violent father and lastly now has anger problems because of this. He doesn't direct it at me but as I'm the only one in the room it always feels that way. He will slam doors, cupboards etc and broke the hoover once and a couple of plates while he struggles with his head f*ck. None of this is about me or anything I've done. I tried the first couple of years to cheer him up give him a hug but it didn't help so finally after a bad winter he's getting help. During all of this I got Breast cancer - diagnosed almost three years ago, so spent 18 months plus having full on chemo, 7 operations and all that horror. He moved in the week I had my mastectomy. A mix of my treatment and his behaviour has made me back away a bit. I just don't feel the sexy stuff anymore and his behaviour doesn't help, he's gone from being ripped and sexy to wearing much the same clothes each day and watching antiques roadshow. I'm trying to get my life back - had to resign from my job as a director last year as ongoing side effects of fatigue meant I could no longer keep up and cope. So have a job nearer home earning half as much. We both want this to work but I'm not sure he will ever change that much and I don't want a life dodging an angry man or changing me to try and prevent an outburst. He's controlling about where his shirts get hung and everything... it's part of his MH issues. What to do? M xx

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overwornout · 17/05/2018 19:26

@MHeyes24 Let him go and get help. Take care of your health, im sure theres is people in your life who love yo and need you to get better. As the OP wrote, it is not you fault Let that sink in and focus on yourself. You have enough on your plate already.

I hope you get better. lots of hugsss

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LonleyGirl · 31/05/2018 21:31

Really need some advice please :'(
So I'm currently still trying to get over a break up from the past month. My ex broke up with me because our relationship started to go south when we were arguing a lot and I didn't realise I had postnatal depression. I went to the doctors 2 weeks before we broke up and asked about it, at which point I was given tablets but didn't take them as I was still in denial about it. It wasn't until we broke up that I even mentioned it to him and I know it doesn't change anything but all he could say was "sorry to hear you have that" . I just don't know how to feel anymore... I tried taking the tablets but was so ill one day my mother had to get the day off work to help me. I have a 6 month old child and am living on my own. My ex broke up with me over WhatsApp after 4 years and a child together and his friends and family are just telling him to have fun and move one, he said his not looking for anything serious. And even after everything I still have the deepest feelings for him and I'm honestly heartbroken, I keep crying and I will have days when I feel OK but then it gets to the nights and when baby goes to sleep I'm alone again and I cry, I cry for him and I feel so stupid and childish for it.

I've spoken to friends and my health visitor and family, but I feel like nobody understands and I'm just so hurt. I have family in the hospital which is what triggered my postnatal depression and possibly PTSD too and now my anxiety has crept up as I'm so confused and upset about everything. I'm crying as I write this. I have a degree I can't use as I can't afford childcare and he has her 1 day a week... He wants to start having the baby over night for 1 night a week even though he doesn't even message in the week to ask how baby is. I have had her for the past month basically to myself with every single night spent with me.

Friends and family say I should just get over it and move on... Like he seems to be doing. But I can't tell my heart no, my family is broken and so is my heart.

Please help, I just need someone to understand and help. I'm broken and I don't want to be broken anymore.

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DizzyBeeme · 06/06/2018 02:35

Whilst I completely agree with your post..let me put my dilemma to you..and let me know what you think. I suffer from Bipolar Disorder...and 10 years ago met a younger gut who was an international student here. I was in a manic episode and we got married. My parents and siblings were frantic with worry as they knew I wasn't thinking with a balanced mind..but I ignored everybody. It was only 10 months later, and at 7 months pregnant I came 'down' from my high and thought good god what have I done. The shock caused me to have my daughter at 32 weeks and immediately I went into severe PND. My husband could not understand what was wrong and of course I was in no position to explain. Anyway fast fwd 10 years...we now have 4 children...he also has another wife Sad..he went back to his home country (we are muslim) and got married to a relative as his mother forced him..apparently. He also had an affair in 2015. I'd had enough of him and his lack of compassion for me by this point so kicked him out. I was doing really well but then had a severe bout of depression last year so he wormed his way back in as I just could not cope. I'm a SAHM but am planning on going back to work once my youngest dc is at full time school. He works nights so I don't see much of him. I do everything..all the running around ..he gives me his salary every week and I manage all the finances. The only reason I took him back is because of my mental health. Children need stability aswell as love and when I was ill I could not be a good mother 😢..he is there should god forbid anything happen to me..the children are happier ..and he is A good father to them..but I am lonely and unfulfilled. We sleep in separate rooms and I don't want a physical relationship. But I crave love, affection and understanding from someone who truly loves ME..not someone who used me for a visa and now feels stuck because of the kids..in the same vein he wasn't to know I had Bipolar so I don't really blame him..in this situation what would be your advice ..

DizzyBeeme · 06/06/2018 02:39

Lonely girl I could not read and run. You need to focus on your child and get help with your pnd. Take your tablets..it takes about 4 weeks to kick in. Can you not move in with your mum for a bit till you can cope better ? Don't think about looking for s new relationship till you feel better. Focus on you and your baby. X

DizzyBeeme · 06/06/2018 20:57

Lonelygirl how are you feeling today x

Slundle · 07/06/2018 16:42

That's a great post. Thank you. Unfortunately, people often find themselves in a situation where they don't have enough support to leave. Good on you. It was all very well put.

LonleyGirl · 07/06/2018 20:34

DizzyBeeme, my mum lives with her partner in a singke bedroom small bungalow away from my area and works 3 jobs. I don't think PND is that much of a problem for me at the minute as my anxiety is much worse due to my ex now talking about lawyers and when he has been advised to pay maintainance etc...he initially said weekly £35 (which isn't a lot to live off of) but now is saying £140 monthly as advised by a lawyer (even though some months have 5 weeks so I would be missing payments). I don't know what to do :( he says we are being civil then next minute he is talking about lawyers. I'm panicking every day about everything because of him and how his acting. He said about wanting to start having baby overnight and I said no as it have taken weeks for me to sort her routing back out again. But he is being insistent on it and I feel like he just wants his own way... He only wants her overnight so his parents can see her. He works 5 days a week (40hrs) and is planning on changing jobs which involves moving to another part of the country... So I don't want baby having to stay over with his parents while he is away either.

Lilymossflower · 07/06/2018 20:41

Hurrah hurrah!

This needs to be said

To everyone

All the time

clap clap clap

💓💖💗

dominiquew · 09/06/2018 15:26

Thank you so much for this. A very happy old thread but a huge pick me up that I needed today Thanks

ChevalierTialys · 13/06/2018 09:39

I will be printing this and putting it on my bedroom wall! I made abusive ex leave 3 weeks ago. It will take a while to get over it All, but reading this really helps stiffen my resolve!

How incredible that this post has been here for 9 years!

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Lizzyweb12 · 19/06/2018 08:52

Agree totall

Lizzyweb12 · 19/06/2018 09:43

Brilliant post, and we all should think about this everyday. It’s too easy for women to forget themselves these days because we’re doing too much! And it’s slways for the ‘greater good’ and very rarely for themselves. No wonder women are tired, I don’t have kids or a husband and I’m tired! Life’s hard but it shouldn’t push you into a way of thinking that you’re not important, we are important and even if it comes over as selfish on the times when you think about yourself, and what you want, you should still do it. If it’s not romantic or ‘nice’ or it’d be awkward. I’ve seen many women completely stressed out and a few in psychiatric units because they’ve been pushed too far and I can’t say anything but all who are there to help these women know what the problem is. Men need to step up, and if they cared half as much or even did half as much as a women in her lifetime then yeah things would be better. Life would be easier. Don’t get someone pregnant then and leave them for starters!

Leanneevans95xx · 21/06/2018 21:37

I'm so in the opposites situation to all of the good things right now and so alone

Ta77Blonde · 26/06/2018 16:20

Wish I read this 5 years ago.

Lcar · 06/07/2018 10:42

Thank you - I wish I had read this a long while ago, but nevertheless I have taken the step to escape from long term emotional and psychological abuse, and am settling into our new life with my children. After 23 years, the name-calling, constant anxiety in case I’ve done or said the wrong thing, put-downs, shouting, slamming doors, having to apologise for something which I hadn’t done or wasn’t my fault, questioning of my reality, inability to make decisions in case I got it wrong (again), criticism and ridiculing does feel normal, and I did think I was just making a fuss over not much, and I definitely believed it was my fault - as that was what I was told day after day by someone I trusted.
But I’m beginning to accept that I’m not an awful person, and my children are helping me.
I still feel guilt though, for not being able to provide them with the life they used to have. And I feel guilty for not looking after ‘him’, and for having to find a new home for the pets as I can’t keep them in our little rented cottage. I feel guilty that things have had to change so much, because of me.
I hope the guilt will pass, and that my cheerful, positive, often laughing self (who I vaguely remember from many years ago) might come back to life. But thank you - I’ll try to remember this

Lalameme · 07/07/2018 12:49

Actually my daughters ex Hung himself last month so don’t say people won’t kill themsleves