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Right, listen up everybody.

867 replies

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
Mom2K · 30/12/2014 19:18

stands up & cheers

Excellent excellent post.

olderguy · 30/12/2014 21:55

Good post and so very true

NorksAreMessy · 30/12/2014 22:58

Hooray MNHQ.
This should be required reading for everyone, everywhere, of every age and gender.

AnyFucker · 30/12/2014 22:59

yay !

daisychain01 · 31/12/2014 02:36

I wonder if it would be more noticeable (especially for new MNers arriving onto the Relationship board looking for support, maybe?) if the title could be 'enhanced'.

Maybe something like (Relationship Advice) in brackets after the "right, listen up Everybody". I'm just worried in case it doesnt get clicked on if people don't know what it is from the title.

A great move for it to have been stickied. And also to agree that male abuse victims are often sadly forgotten Sad

GallicShrug · 01/01/2015 14:23

Great, Rowan! Thanks

supersop60 · 02/01/2015 06:21

Smile Flowers

Gfplux · 02/01/2015 10:19

It should be a sticky with a new title.

FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse · 02/01/2015 10:37

Great news!

When I first read this back in 2009 I don't think I really believed it. I was still stuck in the "you work at relationships" mentality; accepting the good days as the "real him" and the bad days as only temporary. Even though the bad days far outnumbered the good.

But bit by bit it sunk in.

I'm now remarried and life is exactly as promised :) it's not hard work because whilst I think of his needs he's thinking of mine. If we disagree we discuss and compromise (and that means he compromises too, it's not always me), and there's no name calling or fear, it's calm and reasonable.

Flowers

Posts like this saved me.

It very much deserves a sticky :o

GoatsDoRoam · 02/01/2015 12:07

Actually I love the title! It's short and direct, and gets the job done - much like the OP itself.

dontcallmehon22 · 02/01/2015 22:58

Wish I'd read this years ago - but thank you so much, it will give me the strength to accept nothing less than respect going forward.
Thank you reality Flowers

Mouseface · 08/01/2015 23:07

I'm so glad you've posted this again! I live by this now. No man will ever control, hit, abuse me mentally, or emotionally ever again.

I am worth more than that. I like and I love me. I am me.

Thank you Reality xxx

YonicSleighdriver · 11/01/2015 23:53

Awesome!!

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fromparistoberlin73 · 21/01/2015 20:42

True words

Reality · 30/01/2015 22:29

I can't believe it was six years ago I was moved to write this. Fucking hell I feel old.

FuckitAndStartAgain · 31/01/2015 11:38

Six years ago I read it and wondered. Now currently in middle of a heart breaking security destroying divorce. OH got 'back' together with his GF, now she is pregnant and I feel fucked! (I have dealt with many floods since then too, and currently listening to the dehumidifers and fans trying to dry out the concrete slab from the most recent! Added as many threads have a watery headline). I have read and reread your words, I still find it hard to truly believe they form a possible analysis of a relationship. Thirty years of going down the wrong path to undo in my head.

BUT seeing them stickied, reading some tales of 'happy every after' is helping me to keep going. I even have brief flashes of 'she is welcome to home' rather than 'I miss him'!

Thank you for writing them, thank you for stickieing them MN.

engeika · 03/02/2015 07:46

Thank you.

GoatsDoRoam · 03/02/2015 13:50

Well, thank you for being moved to write it 6 years ago, Reality. Because 5 years ago, I printed it out and kept it in my wallet, while I gathered the strength to leave my abusive ex-h.

So you have my thanks.

lonely1116 · 05/02/2015 09:52

hello! my partner is 29 years old and I am 30. we're living logether for nearly 7 years and it becomes quite hard( unfortunately we don't see each other as attractive as usual anymore. and my friens said thet it is important to get her more interested in me again. she should see a great person in front of her again. I have read some articles about this and my russian friend recommended me this tips mymagicbrides.com/blog/getti...rested-in-you/ but I'm not sure if they will work( maybe you can can help me.? I love her and want to revive our relationship! give me please some advise, please! I try to believe in myself, I really do, but I don't know if I deserve her any more... please, don't hesitate, cause I really need advise

GoatsDoRoam · 05/02/2015 12:02

Hi Lonely,

You should start a new thread with your questions. There should be a link called "Start a new thread in this topic" right below this message. Make sure to describe why you think she is no longer interested in you, and whether you have asked her about it, in your new thread.

Trills · 06/02/2015 22:29

I've only just noticed that this has been stickied!

Flowers for Reality and for MNHQ

Abitcomplex · 08/02/2015 20:59

Amen !!!:)