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This is a long one sorry- I need some opinions on my relationship . . . .

122 replies

OneDS · 29/12/2008 20:08

I have name changed as this is all very personal stuff, some of you may ?recognise? me from other threads, but please don?t out me!
Not sure what I want or how to feel. DP and I have been together for 8 years, and have been going through a bad patch, I think it started when DS came along (he is now 4).
There are several issues going on/have gone on, and I can?t get my head around things.
He has previously (spring 07) been on a gay cottaging website, saying he was bi-curious, and (early this year) an amateur porn site saying he was bi seeking a guy on which he posted pics of his . When I found out about this he said we didn?t have sex enough, basically blamed it on me, and skirted around the bi issue. I pointed out I was also dissatisfied with certain things (money issues, his awkward ex spoiling Christmases and holidays with access disagreements, lack of household and childcare input), and these things have improved. At the time I said I would give ?us? one last shot, and that I wasn?t sure us loving each other was enough.
We do love each other, and most of the time I feel content, but at the back of my mind are always certain issues niggling away. These include the bi issues, it seems to me this is something he feels compelled to explore but refuses to discuss it and says it was because of our lack of sex life. I was suffering from PND, and also know that I have a double prolapse.
I am also concerned at certain behaviours, I feel my increasing lack of confidence is more due to him than I have previously realised. He does subtle things that are making me feel self conscious or low in confidence. For example, if he is drying the pots he inspects each item whilst giving me a sideways look, implying I need my pot washing skills to be checked ? if I have missed a spot on a pan or plate he tells me, points it out, and gives it back to me to be rewashed. If this were the other way round I would just wipe said item myself and put it away!? He also rarely compliments me, last night we went out and he told me I looked nice ? I realised this was high praise indeed and it made me realise he rarely compliments me, I am more likely to receive a compliment from anyone but him, yet he is often complimenting himself(!). He will also often go off about the house being a tip, or go on a pointed (and imo passive aggressive) cleanup operation. Yesterday it was the kitchen, sometimes it feels like he resents my things being around, or toys about the place? He also seems to think objects and decor should last forever, whereas I am more laid back and realistic.
We both also are in debt, me a lot less than him, but I am annoyed that my catalogue debt includes approx £300 from xmas presents he ordered for my two dss in dec 07! It got to mid dec and he still hadn?t bought them anything so I told him to order from there and pay me back over this year. He has made a one off payment to me of £50 so far. He is terrible with money and imo selfish. I would spend my last pound on ds, his spare cash tends to go on carling.
Last week I found two pornos of dubious porn (some of you may have read that thread ? I had it deleted as it was so personal and raw). I then also found in his work bag, his old phone, and my old phone, DP?s old phone had pics of himself on it. There were two pics I was very shocked at, he was trying things out (alone) he had not mentioned to me. He has always been into taking pics of his , he always has pics of himself on his phone, he seems to be turned on by himself (does that make sense?), as well as porno pictures too. I have let this slide in the past as I have a low (very vanilla) sex drive, and he has a high sex drive (and is apparently very experimental). I now feel what is the point? Will he ever be satisfied with me? Why do I even put myself through trying stuff that holds no appeal to me.
Last night we went out, great night, and then DP pointed out his ex fiancé, and ex best friend, who had been shagging behind his back whilst DP and ex were engaged. DP was insistent that he wanted to talk to ex best friend and have ?closure?, and say kind of a ?ha ha I won the battle? type thing to him. I didn?t get this on many levels, he kept staring across and saying he wanted to speak to him. In the end I got really annoyed and stormed off, he caught up to me and we walked home, DP was upset, but again put the issue at my door, said it was my issue, and that all he wanted was ?to speak to someone? and couldn?t understand why I was so annoyed with him!

I know I have rambled and I?m so sorry, if you have read all this please let me know what you think, and what you suggest. DP is a good dad (most of the time, and particularly now DS is older), we both love ds to bits, and are meant to be going into fostering too! I go from wanting to work through things, to thinking about walking away and feeling relief but sadness at the thought of it. Please give me your honest opinions.

OP posts:
SammyK · 20/01/2009 13:23

He is very selfish and self centred, always has been.

Later on I thought 'he didn't say he'd miss me, though he was upset I would 'be taking his last boy away', he just seemed to kind of accept it, he even made a joke about some box sets of vids we have! Looking back I am so that I changed my mind and I can't put my finger on why!

Relate might be an option as on my wage I don't think I would pay much at all. Surestart an idea too. I am also waiting for HV to call me back about ds so could ask her.

I want to be happy, and I want him and our ds to be happy too, he only seems concerned about himself.

I was even considering staying with my toxic mum for a while today - scary!! Would really rather not as don't want to put myself in her 'debt'.

SammyK · 20/01/2009 13:25

that's ok citronella, we have been together 8 years and it's just life you know? so it helps for other people to say how they view the situation.

Buda · 20/01/2009 13:27

If you changed your mind once you can do it again!

You will leave at some stage as you won't stand this forever. But you will be constantly unhappy in the meantime.

One thing - on reading the thread you say that the house is in his name but you also say you pay 50/50 = surely that would mean you would be entitled to something? Check it out.

SammyK · 20/01/2009 13:32

Yes we have a joint account, we each pay £450pcm into it, and our CB and CTC goes into it. It pays for all things household and DS related.

I'd prefer to just cleanly walk away I think, we wouldn't get the value of the house, and he can't afford to give me anything his finances are a real mess!

Argh. The only joint debt we have is a bed on credit (although I think this is in my name as he has terrbile credit rating), and joint acc overdraft.

Buda · 20/01/2009 13:35

OK - I see what you mean.

Think long and hard about staying though.

citronella · 20/01/2009 13:35

Buda is right, I think eventually you will stand it no longer but only you will know when that time comes (it took me several years, reconciliations, relate sessions etc to get there.

On a practical note you can get a solicitor to put a charge of interest in the house in your name with the land registry. Check that out.

SammyK · 20/01/2009 13:36

"Think long and hard about staying though"

what do you mean?

Buda · 20/01/2009 15:29

Sorry - I mean you have decided to stay but you are not happy. So why stay? Think long and hard about whether that is the right decision. I prob should have said think long and hard about leaving!

SammyK · 20/01/2009 18:52

Ah I see. Yes why stay? Good question....

Any reasons I think of I can quickly turn around such as:

'we are good friends', I have other people in my life who treat me with much more love and respect, I think I could be a better friend to him if we were more honest with ourselves

'he will struggle financially' not my problem really, his house, and his debt, I try to be careful with my money and finances so won't be too bad financially if I leave

'for DS' I think he will appreciate daddy more if not living with him and vice versa, I often feel stuck in the middle of them.

I could go on

crace · 20/01/2009 19:11

So the question is where do you go from here? It's such a hard decision, but it looks like you are slowly coming to terms with it all. And you are right, sometimes you can really be better parents apart, than together. Dh has a good friend going through this very thing, he only has his girls every other weekend but that time is more quality time. He says they are even closer now, than before.

I feel for you, I am sorry you are struggling with this.

Buda · 20/01/2009 19:47

I am glad you understood me Sammy.

I think you need to sit down and write out a list of the good things and a list of the bad.

FWIW I am in a celibate marriage and not through choice. My DH is not interested in sex - at least with me. I have wondered if he is gay but I don't think so. I think he is just not interested. Lots of people wonder why I stay. I stay because in every other way possible he puts me and DS first. We are expats and this is our 4th country. I have said i don't want to move any more bar back to UK in a few years so, to the detriment of his career and waht he would ideally like, that is what is happening. He respects me. He looks out for me and looks after me (most of the time!). He is a fab dad and if I left we would live in different countries which would be too much for both him and DS. But I think I have more reasons to stay as DH puts me first in most of the important things. (And if I ever found out he was up to anything with anyone of either sex I would be out of here pretty sharpish.)

SammyK · 20/01/2009 20:45

I feel like I am chasing my tail.

I am sad and tired.

Can't believe I am looking at houses again, I just need to bite the bullet and go for it.

crace · 21/01/2009 08:36

How are you today?

SammyK · 21/01/2009 09:26

Hi crace. I feel weird, was on the phone to my sis last night, looking at houses online, and seeing what forms I need (community care grants, crisis loans, income support, etc).

We are meant to be making a go of things, and I am plotting to turn around and say "well actually I've changed my mind, I've found a house and I'm moving out".

My life is a mess.

Just dropped DS off at preschool and he started howling when the doors opened - a boy piped up 'oh, not crying again' I told him to mind his own business and that he was not nice and gave ds a hug. Poor little mite.

crace · 21/01/2009 10:00

No, it's not like that though - you don't know what you can get help with unless you start applying, all this takes time. Don't feel bad - you need to help yourself here.

About school - is he very unhappy there?

SammyK · 21/01/2009 13:07

Do you think I should talk to him again about counselling? Or are we a lost cause as a couple?

SammyK · 21/01/2009 13:08

crace preschool situation.

crace · 21/01/2009 13:39

Oh goodness me, you are really dealing with it all aren't you? My eldest, 12yo, is ASD too and let me tell you school in the early years was a nightmare, but it does get easier. I would think about getting him a statement so that when he goes to school he will be supported the best way he needs - therefore less stressful (transitions etc) and also perhaps a visual timetable at preschool for now?

SammyK · 21/01/2009 13:49

Oh don't get me started crace - edpsych wants him to 'cope' until he is seven before assessing him.

So I am getting him diagnosed myself, seen paediatrician and will be going before multi agency autism panel soon for dx. School called me last week to arrange a meeting - I think they have realised I won't be backing down. His teachers are great with him, it is the fundng/politics that are all wrong.

We use toilet visual timetables (he is toilet phobic), and school have mentioned introducing some more but none have materialised yet.

crace · 21/01/2009 14:18

You are doing all the right things - I never knew you could self refer until it was too late for my ds and he's having a nightmare in secondary, unnecessarily.

Can you make your own for school and have them use it? We had a strip of cardboard with velcro and removable picture cards on them. They could easily set up his day for him and he could remove the cards as he went through it all.

crace · 21/01/2009 14:19

Well, easily - if they felt like it! on your behalf.

Anyway, sorry to digress but I think with your ds situation and everything else you have said - you have other things to worry about, and you need to take care of yourself here! Even if it's simplifying your life..

SammyK · 26/01/2009 09:51

Still waiting for him to call relate.

I am not going to nag him to call them. He is working an early shift this week, so has every afternoon this week to do it.

If he hasn't picked up the phone by Friday I will know we are a lost cause and go back to the house hunt. Even if he does ring realte and we go - will it fix anything???????

I asked him last night if he had talked 'us' through with anyone (ie with a friend/his brother) 'well no it's nobody else's business'.

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