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Would you continue dating a man who has a child he doesn't see?

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VelvetPetals11 · 10/10/2026 01:18

I’ve recently started seeing a man in his late 20s and there’s something he told me that’s left me feeling quite conflicted. I’d really appreciate some opinions.

Sorry, this is going to be a long one, but I wanted to include as much detail as possible so people have the full picture.

We both live in the US, although he’s originally from the UK. We’ve only been on one date so far, but it went really well. He’s a little shy, but lovely to talk to, has a good job and seems to have his life together. We have loads in common, similar interests and values, and seem to want the same things in life. I genuinely haven’t met someone I’ve clicked with like this in a while.

However, during our date he told me he has a son back in the UK who he hasn’t seen for six years.

Obviously that caught me off guard, so I asked him about it.

He explained that when his son was conceived, he was in a really bad place. He was severely addicted to alcohol, drinking almost every day and regularly blacking out. His mental health wasn’t good either, and he wasn’t remotely ready to become a dad.

He said the relationship with his ex wasn’t particularly healthy. Apparently she’d often spoken about wanting a baby, including saying she wanted one so she’d never be alone, and had told him she didn’t think she could get pregnant.

He said looking back at that time is difficult, especially because he was drunk so much of the time. But he didn’t accuse her of trapping him or anything like that.

One thing I did respect was that he said he doesn’t believe in speaking badly about someone he once loved, even if things ended badly. He acknowledged that he’d made plenty of mistakes himself.

Anyway, they separated, she eventually got into another relationship and told him she didn’t want their son knowing who his biological father was.

He never went through the courts to try to establish contact, which is probably the part I’m struggling with most.

His explanation was that he was in a terrible place mentally at the time and was frightened of making an already complicated situation worse. He later moved abroad to start a new life, and between getting sober, rebuilding his life and establishing himself in another country, the years went by.

He also worries that suddenly reappearing in his son’s life after so long could potentially cause more harm than good, especially if his mother is against it.

However, he told me he’s been thinking about his son a lot recently and is looking into speaking to a solicitor to understand his options and whether trying to establish contact would be in his son’s best interests.

He does pay child maintenance.

He also told me he writes birthday and Christmas cards and letters to his son, even though he can’t currently give them to him. He keeps them in case his son ever wants to know him in the future.

He also puts money aside in a separate savings account for him.

When he was talking about his son, he became noticeably quieter and seemed genuinely upset about the situation. I didn’t get the impression he was proud of how things had turned out.

He’s now been sober for five years, has a good career and seems to have completely turned his life around.

We also spoke about what we want from life. He said he’d love to get married and have a family one day, but wouldn’t rush into having children. He’d only want to do that in a stable, loving relationship where both people were completely ready and genuinely wanted it.

He made it clear that he doesn’t see his son as a mistake. He just wishes the circumstances had been different and that he’d been in a better place when he became a father.

So this is where I’m torn.

On one hand, I really like him. He seems kind, thoughtful and genuinely lovely to be around. We have so much in common, and I admire the fact that he was upfront about something that obviously doesn’t paint him in the best light.

On the other hand, he has a son he hasn’t seen for six years, and I can’t pretend that doesn’t bother me.

I know people can change, especially after overcoming something as serious as addiction, but I also wonder what this might mean if we eventually got married and had children ourselves.

Would you be willing to look at the person he’s become, or would the lack of contact with his son be too much of a red flag?

Would you continue getting to know him?

I’d really appreciate some honest opinions.

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KnickerlessParsons · 10/10/2026 12:24

It would be the alcohol abuse that would put me off and the “not being ready” to be a father rather than any lack of contact since then as it seems that was mostly down to the mother, initially at least.

blackrosebuddella · 10/10/2026 12:44

HettyTagliatelli · 10/10/2026 02:10

No, I wouldn’t. It sounds like he’s all talk. Looking into taking legal
action while living in a different country which would make a meaningful relationship impossible anyway is not the same as actually doing something. He’s not bothering because he can’t be bothered, not because there is anything stopping him.

This.

I’m pretty sure my ex tells the women he dates that he hasn’t seen our children because of me, before reassuring them that he pays maintenance and sends birthday cards and presents.

Well yep, it is easier to under declare self-employment income and pay £7 a week for 3 kids with an extra fiver for each birthday than it is to be an actual parent.

IF this man had actually changed his life around, his first priority would have been to build a relationship with his child.

He is telling you now so if you get into a relationship, and more red flags inevitably appear that he can remind you he was ‘honest’ with you from the start.

CatA27 · 10/10/2026 12:51

I know a number of men who have no contact with their child or children because having mum and dad fighting was damaging the children more than walking away. If he does pay maintenance and is saving money for his child then I would say these are huge green flags. My eldest son has never had contact with his bio dad (Dad was an abusive t*at and he walked away) but has had an amazing relationship with his stepdad who adopted him and his siblings, he really didnt need his father who did him a huge favour by walking away. My friends husband also doesnt see his son as his mum poisoned him against his dad and fighting through the courts just made things worse. Sometimes you have to put the child first so in those respects I would say huge green flags if what he has told you is true.

HellieOldie · 10/10/2026 13:00

He IS paying child maintenance

MyRedBear · 10/10/2026 13:04

I personally wouldnt entertain a man who did this, my 2 youngest children last saw their dad 9 years ago and he never came back, I had to try and justify that to a 9 and 7 year old who were heartbroken up until that point id never been interested in child maintenance either. I did submit a claim after this though as the whole idea was he would have money to have a good time with the kids and as he wasnt seeing them i thought i would submit a claim. It took almost a year and that was on a deduction of earning order as he wouldnt pay initially so just because he 'says' he pays doesnt mean he wants to. I would vive this a wide berth if you can abandon your own child you can be capable of anything in my view.

Credittocress · 10/10/2026 13:06

KnickerlessParsons · 10/10/2026 12:24

It would be the alcohol abuse that would put me off and the “not being ready” to be a father rather than any lack of contact since then as it seems that was mostly down to the mother, initially at least.

he says it’s down to the mother. Fact is no court in the uk would allow this, so him saying it’s because he’s respecting mum just seems like another little lie. He’s done something reprehensible, and yet every part of his story makes him sound like a good guy… respecting mum, paying maintenance (which he’s legally required to do), thinking about getting access (but hasn’t done anything).

PloddingAlong21 · 10/10/2026 13:35

Other than getting sober what changes has he actually made?

He has given you some fluff about thinking about his son…but what has he actually DONE in the last 6 years about? Nothing. Nothing at all. Meanwhile a little boy is growing up without his deadbeat dad who has done zero to meet him.

Imagine what he says plays out…what visitation will he get from another continent? He will have to move back to the UK. Therefore he is either lying to you or he leaves for the UK. Neither outcome is good for you.

Imagine you play happy families and has a kid. He reconnects with the first and moves back when his visa sponsorship expires. He’s demonstrated he can up and leave one kid already.

PinkLeopard8 · 10/10/2026 13:45

Wow, it's clear that a lot of people here don't believe people can change.
I know that they can, I respect his honesty with you on a first date.

I'm in recovery and know many people who are- people can and do recover and completely turn their lives around.

I also to be honest understand his hesitation around his child, it must be really hard to figure out what the right thing to do is, when you know your child is being raised by another man.

RiaOverTheRainbow · 10/10/2026 13:48

Best case scenario he's about to get in contact with his young son, which will be emotional and possibly take a lot of effort if the mother doesn't cooperate. It's not the right time to start dating.

And if he's not about to become an involved parent, why would you want to date him anyway?

BeeHive909 · 10/10/2026 13:50

I give him some slack that he pays for the kid. He was in a bad place and sounds like the lady used him to get pregnant . If you like him then yes I’d consider dating him but only if you didn’t want children

speakball · 10/10/2026 13:53

Has your dad never heard of family court, of applying for contact with his original child? Of course he has.

absolutely. its nigh on excruciating to see the enabling misogyny on here.

BeWittyRobin · 10/10/2026 13:56

Ok, after reading the circumstances around his son I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you and others think it is.

He wasn’t in a good place, mentally or physically. Most of those 6 years it reads he has not been in the uk, so distance is a huge factor. Also his ex told him she didn’t want him involved, that’s plays a huge factor in the situation.

I actually think the man has been quite responsible in his irresponsibility. He wasn’t the kind of father 6 years ago any child needs in their life, yes he has been sober for 5 years but it wouldn’t have been as simple as right I’m sober now.

I have 5 children with my ex husband, since we split 6 years ago, he has been in their lives but he isn’t great he comes and goes, says he loves them but it’s very clear out of sight out of mind. Him coming and going actually causes them more harm than if he had just fucked off 6 years ago because they have constant upsets, their hope is built up to then be let down again. I think this man acknowledges his mistakes and his behaviours built is fully aware just cos he has his shit together now 6 years has past and his son will have a life that he has got on with, and actually making contact now could actually cause quite an upheaval in his sons life which will more than likely be quite a stable life. Is it fair him disturbing that.

no he didn’t go to court, I’ve had to go through the system in the uk and it’s not as clear cut as many think. He had a drinking and addiction problem the odds were very not in his favour. I think he had to concentrate on getting himself sober before even contemplating being his sons life and going through the court process but that has come with a catch 22 because getting better takes time, as time passes how is him suddenly getting back in touch going to affect his son?!

I honestly think what I would be concentrating on is the fact that he made mistakes, he is still paying for them and clearly very remorseful but he is still thinking about his son and actually thinking of the consequences of just entering his sons life again. How would it even work being on the other side of the world. He writes to his son, and hopefully one day he will be able to give them his many letter to him when his son is ready and hopefully makes contact and start to build a relationship with him. But turning his sons life upside down i don’t think that’s fair and think he sees that.

he sounds like a nice guy, pays child support, putting money in savings account, writes to him and keeps the letters to hopefully one day give them to him, and he acknowledges that he has made mistakes and he is living with the consequences and isn’t rushing to turn his sons life upside because now he is in a better place and is in a place he could be involved as much as he could be being across the other side of the world

BeWittyRobin · 10/10/2026 14:00

Credittocress · 10/10/2026 13:06

he says it’s down to the mother. Fact is no court in the uk would allow this, so him saying it’s because he’s respecting mum just seems like another little lie. He’s done something reprehensible, and yet every part of his story makes him sound like a good guy… respecting mum, paying maintenance (which he’s legally required to do), thinking about getting access (but hasn’t done anything).

I’m sorry but I know this to actually happen. Also even with a court order, the resident parent does hold most of the cards. They can still withhold contact and it can then be ‘child led’ contact. Sadly it does happen. Now did he do everything he could 6 years ago…no. But people can change and people can be in a difficult position years later because of their past own actions.

Imisssleep88 · 10/10/2026 14:02

I personally would give him a chance, he sounds genuinely remorseful and if he was in such a bad place, this new partner of the ex may have offered the child stability. What needs to be considered is what was best for the child.

If he wiped his hands of him and never thought about him it would be different and I'd reconsider, but writing cards and putting money aside he sounds like he wants to do right one day, if he is allowed by the ex and new partner

MsPrufrockk · 10/10/2026 14:03

VelvetPetals11 · 10/10/2026 01:39

And? The date went very well and we talked for ages about loads of things.

I thought it would be good to get some other opinions on this..

Why do you need other opinions? One date and there's something that could be a MASSIVE red flag (I personally think it is, whatever his excuses are), why bother continuing it?

outerspacepotato · 10/10/2026 14:06

I wouldn't see him again. I don't date men with substance abuse issues. I grew up in a family that had them and that's a hell no.

He left the country. How serious can he be about being in his kid's life when he's in a different country. 🙄

He also talked an awful lot about his issues for a first date. He's got a lot of baggage to deal with and I'd leave him to himself to do that.

MsPrufrockk · 10/10/2026 14:07

VelvetPetals11 · 10/10/2026 02:48

He moved to the US through a company that sponsored his work visa. He said he’s in IT of some kind.

And what is his reason for moving to a different continent to his child? That's not exactly conducive to forming a relationship with the child, is it?

30DegreesHighAndRising · 10/10/2026 14:08

VelvetPetals11 · 10/10/2026 02:48

He moved to the US through a company that sponsored his work visa. He said he’s in IT of some kind.

And what's the timescale between the point where he was so deep into his addiction that he had absolutely nothing to offer his child, to the extent his child was better off without his father in his life, and sorting himself out to the point where his employer said "you're the perfect person for this role and we'll sort your visa and pay your relocation expenses, we really need you" , and America said " welcome skilled worker"? And at no time during this significant transition did he think, hang on, I've a child to consider?
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MsPrufrockk · 10/10/2026 14:12

30DegreesHighAndRising · 10/10/2026 14:08

And what's the timescale between the point where he was so deep into his addiction that he had absolutely nothing to offer his child, to the extent his child was better off without his father in his life, and sorting himself out to the point where his employer said "you're the perfect person for this role and we'll sort your visa and pay your relocation expenses, we really need you" , and America said " welcome skilled worker"? And at no time during this significant transition did he think, hang on, I've a child to consider?
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NoraLuka · 10/10/2026 14:25

LowlandLucky · 10/10/2026 11:09

He is taking responsibility. he pays and he is taking advice on how to see his son. The mother also plays a part in this as she wanted to block him out so she could play mummies and daddies with her new fella. Both adults at fault.

He’s taking advice after 6 years, if he was able to organise a move to the US what stopped him from contacting a lawyer in all that time? And he’s paying, that’s better than not paying but it’s also a basic thing that parents should do, I’m not sure they should be celebrated for it.

ByLilacMember · 10/10/2026 14:25

I'm nosy so I'd naturally want to know more! Him abandoning his kid is obviously a red flag and whenever he decides to make an effort it will no doubt end up hurting you. Being aware of that would be a bit of a passion killer. Imagine you two had a family together and then he's spending time going back and forth to UK getting to know his existing child, all from the family budget, you left alone to look after your kids. You're doing online dating so use it to your advantage, get a couple more dates lined up with other people. If you have all your eggs in 1 basket you lose perspective and can end up behaving desperately when you really need not. If you've got some other irons in the fire it will help with perspective. If you're only waiting on 1 person it puts pressure on for it to be good. I'm a glass half full person too but I'd use my freedom and flexibility to help me see clearly. Another date with this guy isn't a big committment and it might give you a chance to ask the hard questions then have another date lined up later in the week with someone else for contrast!

EverybodyLTB · 10/10/2026 14:26

Just for your information, OP. You can apply for a C100 from abroad. It costs £270 and the court here has jurisdiction over the child. In the first instance they will order mediation, in which case he’d have a chance to mediate with the mum. The mum he ‘didn’t speak badly about’ except, yes he did. In a not so roundabout way, he did. Anyone with a working red flag radar could see what he was doing, even only via your explanation. He says he’s not blaming her, while wriggling out of any responsibility and giving you a laundry list of reasons to believe him and side eye her.

This man has had the wherewithal to apply for, get, and prepare for a job in a different continent with a notoriously difficult visa process. He probably only pays maintenance to satisfy the visa policy as the UK and US have reciprocal agreements on these things. He ‘can’t’ send cards, why not though? He is saving money up, why? Spend alleged saved up money on the £270 for the C100 and he’d be FaceTiming that child by Christmas. Yeah….no….but….. thought so! He doesn’t fucking want to. He’s got the wherewithal to date, to work, to travel. Not for getting to see his kid, though. If he’s been sober for 5 years, when did he move to the US, before or after he got sober? At no point within the last five years has he taken one single step in the direction of his child. You’re insane to consider this man as even a speck on your horizon. If you trust him so much - after ONE DATE - say to him that you feel like you connected, you like him etc. but you’d feel more comfortable dating him once he’d seen or at least taken a big step towards seeing his child. Tell him to call you once he’s in that space. You’ll never hear from him again.

The fact that in a first date you’ve got the full blast of alcoholism, life falling apart, not seeing the kid, the bullshit reasons, and you’re still keen. Wow. You need to seek therapy to understand why you are even still thinking about this loser. Chuck him back in the Atlantic. Who knows, he might even float back to his child that he cares for so much!

Oh and let me just say; attempt to keep my children from me for 6 years, see how that works out for ya. Hell/high water. No chance. That’s the normal attitude towards your babies. This man does not give two shits about that kid.

Grannalintab · 10/10/2026 14:26

VelvetPetals11 · 10/10/2026 02:53

Yeh thats true, and I do agree he could have taken steps sooner. I suppose what I’m trying to work out is whether someone should be judged entirely on what they haven’t done in the past, or whether the changes they’ve made and what they do going forward should count as well.

I’m going against the grain here and would consider giving him a chance, but have your BS detector tuned in. If you move forward it would be worth getting the child’s mother’s perspective, including whether he really pays child support. If people give up alcohol it really can change them dramatically and earn them a second chance. I don’t think many commenters allowed for the fact that the mother may well want her son to think her current partner is his dad, which complicates moving things forward when they live in different countries.

Peachghost · 10/10/2026 14:33

BeeHive909 · 10/10/2026 13:50

I give him some slack that he pays for the kid. He was in a bad place and sounds like the lady used him to get pregnant . If you like him then yes I’d consider dating him but only if you didn’t want children

How naive are you. He says he pays for his kids, doesnt make it true. Or that he's doing it through choice. Or that he's not hiding money. Or that money makes up for being an absent dad.

It sounds like she used him to get pregnant because thats how the man wants the OP to see it. Him being the poor innocent victim. If he didn't want to be a dad he should have been using condoms.

Lavenderandbrown · 10/10/2026 15:00

Op you haven’t posted since page two. I hope you are reading because there is very very good advice…consistent advice on this thread. Your story has clearly touched posters who are concerned for you.

alcoholism is a disease characterized by relapse. The risk of relapse is always present and intensified during life events.

sometime I read an post and I think to myself….God some people really make a mess of their lives. Entering into complicated relationships / having more children / financial insecurity/ problematic inlaws/ another culture to adapt to or even be safe in. And I really wonder how ever did she get herself in this situation… I think it starts like this. Like your “first date” story. Truly don’t do this to yourself.