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Am I wrong to keep distance from a difficult friendship?

60 replies

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 18:44

NC for obvious reasons.

5 years ago, my family and one of my friends’ families moved to the same village at the same time. We’d been very close friends for years, but almost immediately after moving, she became cold and distant for reasons I never understood. When I asked if I’d upset her, she became very defensive and angry, and asked me to leave her house. We somewhat recovered from this but I remained in the dark and didn't dare broach the topic again. I did subsequently hear that she had previously and publicly shared her regret that our families were living in the same village and I think this was the nub of it.

Since then, there’s been a long pattern of mixed signals: excluding my children from events while including others, ignoring messages for months, then acting publicly as though we were still close and asking to meet up — only to ignore me again.

Over time I have had to quietly accept the friendship has changed. Ive built other (and closer) friendships but then last year she started to accuse me of “cancelling” her.

Last summer, while at her house for a rare coffee, I seemingly and unknowingly offended her in normal conversation - she suddenly told me to f* off and gave me the middle finger in front of her child. Her rage was palpable and totally OTT. I apologised anyway and tried to smooth things over. I feel I betrayed myself in doing this but I was so stunned I didn't know how else to react in the moment. However, some subsequent time apart, gave me a chance to properly reflect on what i wanted going forward but now she’s back and pushing to reconnect again, 1:1. I did try and say "oh catch you at so and so" and keep it light but she has persisted so Ive had to bite the bullet. Ive kindly messaged her saying I think it’s best if we dont meet 1:1 given the longstanding tensions but to socialise more in a group context, given our mutual friends, who remain largely unaware. As soon as i sent the message, her DH contacted my DH wanting to talk today or tomorrow. I now feel bad for DH.

I genuinely don’t understand why someone who seemed not to want me around for years is now so upset that I no longer want a close friendship. What am I missing? Am I being unreasonable for wanting distance from someone I no longer feel emotionally safe with? And how would others navigate this in a village with lots of mutual friends and overlaps? I don't want to be sucked back into the same vicious cycle and treading on eggshells for someone who has treated me pretty badly over the years to safeguard everyone's feelings whilst sacrificing my own

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YoBetty · Yesterday 18:47

It's never wrong to stay away from someone who is offensive towards you.

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:50

Impossible to know as there must be more to this. Had they bought first and she was annoyed that you were moving to the same place?

She sounds unhinged anyway so just give her a wide berth. Tell your dh not to meet her dh to talk about you, they is beyond weird.

PartyintheKitchen · Yesterday 18:54

Stay away, you don't need to give her any reasons why. or go into details on what you're feeling. If you do, that gives her an opening to have ownership of how you feel and dictate the next drama. She lost any rights to friendship when she swore at you in private. Disengage completely and I'd advise your husband do the same. 💐

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 18:54

We moved the same week as each other.

And there isn't more to it as far as I'm aware. It's why its been so hard to fathom and navigate.

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ImDoingItImDoingDoubleDenim · Yesterday 18:58

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 18:54

We moved the same week as each other.

And there isn't more to it as far as I'm aware. It's why its been so hard to fathom and navigate.

Yes, but who bought / offered on their house first?

ThisJadeBear · Yesterday 19:03

It’s time to drop the rope with her. Treating you like that is appalling.
Whatever she is mad about, let her stew on it.

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 19:03

They completed just under a week before us. And to answer the obvious question — yes, the move was something discussed between both families at the time. It certainly wasn’t a case of us randomly following them to the village uninvited.

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wheredidiputmyglasses · Yesterday 19:36

I have something similar - we live in a small village. Call her T got on very well with us - regularly sought us out, invited us to social gatherings. Then bang she turned for no reason that I know of She was rude to us ignoring us turning her back on me, using friends to find out where we were if out socially so she could avoid us. She is quite two faced when she sees us - swarming over us like we’re her best friends and she’s missed us etc

I felt very upset and hurt by her actions and we both have to live in the village. I made other friends and as far as possible I cut her out of my life - I’ve blocked her on all my social media. I’m always polite and affable with her if I see her as I won’t stoop to her level. I get worried that she might bee criticising me to other people in the village, I keep my head high and keep dignified. I think it’s up to them to like me or not to listen to her or not.

it’s really hard and I sympathise with you

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 19:45

Sorry @wheredidiputmyglasses its hard because you want to keep the overall peace and be an adult but its emotionally exhausting. Very few people are aware this end and so Ive felt beholden to the friendship. It's a new situation for me because normally I wouldnt put up with this behaviour but I think the longevity f the friendship and the proximity has meant ive tolerated too much. I'm glad you have new friends 🧡. I have found focusing my efforts with mine has massively helped.

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Arlanymor · Yesterday 19:48

ImDoingItImDoingDoubleDenim · Yesterday 18:58

Yes, but who bought / offered on their house first?

That's irrelevant though isn't it? People can live wherever they want to live!

wheredidiputmyglasses · Yesterday 19:58

@HowdoIsolvethis it is draining, as you say and it knocks at your self esteem. I’ve never been in this kind of situation before so it was quite hard at first to understand what was going on and what to do about it. It must be difficult for you in that you’ve known her for so long. New friends help and a new chapter in your life where she is outside of it

Endofyear · Yesterday 20:06

She sounds bonkers and quite frankly when she told you to fuck off, you should have left her house and cut contact with her then. You don't have to be friends with her to appease mutual friends or to not make waves. You're perfectly entitled to stay away from someone who abuses you. If people ask why you're not friends, you can just say that you don't want to go into it. It's not anybody else's business anyway!

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 20:16

@Arlanymor it is irrelevant but I understand why I am being asked the question and I think its pertinent.

For absolute clarity and hoping its not too outing...

We were on the market at the same time as each other, then living in different towns. They viewed their current house, made an offer, and it was accepted. At the exact same time, we had offered on another house, in another village, but got pipped to the post by a cash buyer so we were back to the drawing board but having SSTC on our house. Both of them had been pressing us to at least consider the village, sending videos, telling us how dreamy it would be (oh the irony) and so we did. I think there were 2 weeks between our offers being accepted and less than a week on completion.

At the time i thought they were both more happy and excited than we were! But now I think her DH was over the moon but she wasnt.

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HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 20:20

@wheredidiputmyglasses It does knock at your self esteem and it makes you doubt the good intentions of others. Ive always had a reasonable measure if someone likes me or not but more recently Ive found myself second guessing myself.

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Error404FucksNotFound · Yesterday 20:23

You've given her more than enough chances. At this point you'd just be asking to be treated like shit. You need to stay away, be polite but don't try to be friends.

Even if her husband tells your husband some sad story it does NOT make it ok for you to be her punching bag and you should still close this door.

sonjadog · Yesterday 20:23

The time she told me to fuck off would have been the last time I had anything to do with her. I think you are being more than fair and accommodating saying that you are prepared to associate with her in group settings. I would absolutely refuse to be alone with her again. Why on earth would you want to do that after the way she has behaved..? Also, I would not be impressed with her DH asking to meet yours to discuss you like you are two unruly children. I would say to your DH not to bother even starting on that one.

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 20:28

Thanks everyone for the replies so far. It's honestly such a relief to hear I am being more than fair. It's what I have felt in myself.

And totally agree @sonjadog on her DH trying to "help" the women. My DH has supported me in my decision to keep calm and carry on but has no patience (or like) for her. He is delighted with my decision.

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BreadInCaptivity · Yesterday 20:35

I may not be the right person to post because frankly I have a zero tolerance for crap like this.

So that said I’m gobsmacked you’ve put up with her antics for so long and let her into your headspace after the initial episode never mind your personal space thereafter.

Just ditch her. End of. You don’t even have to tell her why. She absolutely knows what she’s done/doing and gets off on it.

Stop giving her the satisfaction of letting her treat you poorly and keep coming back for more.

Your real friends won’t judge you for it, or listen to any rumours she tries to circulate. Realistically people like her do not exercise behaviour like this towards just one person. She will have “form” and gets away with it because she leaves everyone thinking “what have I done” and “maybe it’s me” - hence embarrassed to just call out her manipulation and bullying.

Cut the cord and be blunt if asked by others “I got fed up with being treated like an abused toy she picks up professing to love, then slams down like a two year old having a tantrum without any other reason that it’s probably her nap time”.

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 20:41

@BreadInCaptivity you are absolutely the right person. Thank you for taking the time and making me laugh with the toddler reference 🙏

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BreadInCaptivity · Yesterday 20:47

No problem and re: her DH I’d be telling him the only person he needs to talk to is his own wife if he places any value on maintaining the (likely diminishing) social circle they still enjoy - which you and your DH categorically have no desire to remain part of.

wheredidiputmyglasses · Yesterday 20:54

@BreadInCaptivity great attitude!! I’ll take your advice

Arlanymor · Yesterday 21:06

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 20:16

@Arlanymor it is irrelevant but I understand why I am being asked the question and I think its pertinent.

For absolute clarity and hoping its not too outing...

We were on the market at the same time as each other, then living in different towns. They viewed their current house, made an offer, and it was accepted. At the exact same time, we had offered on another house, in another village, but got pipped to the post by a cash buyer so we were back to the drawing board but having SSTC on our house. Both of them had been pressing us to at least consider the village, sending videos, telling us how dreamy it would be (oh the irony) and so we did. I think there were 2 weeks between our offers being accepted and less than a week on completion.

At the time i thought they were both more happy and excited than we were! But now I think her DH was over the moon but she wasnt.

But it is irrrelevant. She’s being a total idiot. Anyone can live where they want to live. If someone chose to act like a moron around me I would just avoid them! Don’t give credence to other people’s stupidity foibles.

MMUmum · Today 18:32

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 18:44

NC for obvious reasons.

5 years ago, my family and one of my friends’ families moved to the same village at the same time. We’d been very close friends for years, but almost immediately after moving, she became cold and distant for reasons I never understood. When I asked if I’d upset her, she became very defensive and angry, and asked me to leave her house. We somewhat recovered from this but I remained in the dark and didn't dare broach the topic again. I did subsequently hear that she had previously and publicly shared her regret that our families were living in the same village and I think this was the nub of it.

Since then, there’s been a long pattern of mixed signals: excluding my children from events while including others, ignoring messages for months, then acting publicly as though we were still close and asking to meet up — only to ignore me again.

Over time I have had to quietly accept the friendship has changed. Ive built other (and closer) friendships but then last year she started to accuse me of “cancelling” her.

Last summer, while at her house for a rare coffee, I seemingly and unknowingly offended her in normal conversation - she suddenly told me to f* off and gave me the middle finger in front of her child. Her rage was palpable and totally OTT. I apologised anyway and tried to smooth things over. I feel I betrayed myself in doing this but I was so stunned I didn't know how else to react in the moment. However, some subsequent time apart, gave me a chance to properly reflect on what i wanted going forward but now she’s back and pushing to reconnect again, 1:1. I did try and say "oh catch you at so and so" and keep it light but she has persisted so Ive had to bite the bullet. Ive kindly messaged her saying I think it’s best if we dont meet 1:1 given the longstanding tensions but to socialise more in a group context, given our mutual friends, who remain largely unaware. As soon as i sent the message, her DH contacted my DH wanting to talk today or tomorrow. I now feel bad for DH.

I genuinely don’t understand why someone who seemed not to want me around for years is now so upset that I no longer want a close friendship. What am I missing? Am I being unreasonable for wanting distance from someone I no longer feel emotionally safe with? And how would others navigate this in a village with lots of mutual friends and overlaps? I don't want to be sucked back into the same vicious cycle and treading on eggshells for someone who has treated me pretty badly over the years to safeguard everyone's feelings whilst sacrificing my own

You don't feel safe with her, stay well away. I wonder, given what you've said, whether she has developed mental health problems which are causing her to misinterpret things that people say

MMUmum · Today 18:35

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 19:03

They completed just under a week before us. And to answer the obvious question — yes, the move was something discussed between both families at the time. It certainly wasn’t a case of us randomly following them to the village uninvited.

They can't invite you to the village unless they own it! Don't let her spoil your life in your new home

YoBetty · Today 18:35

HowdoIsolvethis · Yesterday 20:16

@Arlanymor it is irrelevant but I understand why I am being asked the question and I think its pertinent.

For absolute clarity and hoping its not too outing...

We were on the market at the same time as each other, then living in different towns. They viewed their current house, made an offer, and it was accepted. At the exact same time, we had offered on another house, in another village, but got pipped to the post by a cash buyer so we were back to the drawing board but having SSTC on our house. Both of them had been pressing us to at least consider the village, sending videos, telling us how dreamy it would be (oh the irony) and so we did. I think there were 2 weeks between our offers being accepted and less than a week on completion.

At the time i thought they were both more happy and excited than we were! But now I think her DH was over the moon but she wasnt.

Ah. Is there a chance that she might think her DH fancies you?