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Help to repair relationship with 12 yr old DS before it's too late

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Outofmydepth28 · 21/05/2026 20:10

Please help. I feel completely out of my depth with DS1 at the moment and I don’t know what to do anymore.
(Sorry for the long post!)

He’s 12, in Year 7, and the last few months have been incredibly difficult. At big school he’s doing brilliantly: polite, hardworking, well-liked by teachers, a model student. He is at a state comprehensive but it is quite academic and full-on. By the time he comes home he is exhausted and overwhelmed, and home life has become really difficult.

He’s angry with me constantly. Tiny things turn into huge arguments. He refuses simple requests, ignores boundaries, and speaks to me in ways that are totally unacceptable, telling me "fuck you" and to piss off, etc. Recently he refused to hand over his phone and because he’s physically bigger and stronger than me now, I realised I simply can’t manage situations like that in the way I used to. I don’t want physical confrontations anyway, but it left me feeling powerless. (On this occasion he did eventually hand it over but I keep thinking what would have happened if he hadn't?)

There’s a lot of background to this... His father and I had a very traumatic divorce several years ago involving multiple court proceedings, and repeated accusations to police and social services by exH. All the social services and complaints to police were NFA but it's left me feeling very scarred and I have totally lost faith in the system. ExH wanted to have full custody of both DC although we have a lives with order where they see him EOW and Wed - Thu. He told so many lies about me in the family court... If it had been another court he would have surely been convicted for lying.

We are currently living with my parents because financially I had little choice after the separation, and I know DS1 hates it. He hates sharing a room with DS2, who is 8, he hates not having space, hates feeling different from his peers.
DS2 is awaiting assessment for autism and can be challenging at times, which adds another layer of tension in the house. DS1 often targets him with teasing and cruelty, though I know underneath it all he is not a cruel child. Outside of home he can be incredibly compassionate, with friends' younger children, elderly relatives with dementia, or younger cousins with severe and profound additional needs. That contrast is part of what hurts so much. I know there is still a kind and sensitive boy underneath all this anger.

ExH's parenting style has also changed dramatically over the years, from very hands-off to suddenly strict and punitive, and I think this has put me off putting into place any sanctions because the absolute 180 exH did when he got a new girlfriend who encouraged "sanctions" really scared and upset DS and even now he will cry and say how he misses "the old dad" (the girlfriend is long gone, he has had a string of them and they never last more than a year). Suddenly DS would lose priviliges like no PlayStation for the whole weekend for "back chat". I also know that DS1 protects DS2 when they are with their dad and takes the blame for stuff. He is very much in the protector role when they have contact. The holidays we share 50/50 and I am dreading the summer as they'll be away for 3 weeks and they always come back all over the place. They both used to just be very clingy to the extent they'd panic if I had to use the bathroom but now DS1 is extra upset and angry when he comes back (DS2 still acts clingy).

I’ve always tried to parent gently, talk things through, encourage emotional openness, all the crunchy parenting studf but lately DS completely shuts down any attempt at connection. He mostly wants to be alone in his room on screens. If I try to spend time with him, he usually rejects it. (I attended a workshop on how to parent tweets and it said to join in with their interests so I did this by trying to watch manga with him but he just did not want me there.

Recently he has started criticising everything I do: the food I buy ("UPF shit"), the way I parent ("why are you so agitated?" and "you just take pills and vape"), our financial situation ("why are you always broke? Why do you always buy stuff on Vinted?"). Some of this clearly echoes things said elsewhere; exH is currently on a health-kick and seems to have orthorexic tendencies. He was always getting obsessed about new hobbies, to the extent he would not see me or DC because he was busy with his latest money-making scheme / hobby. DS1 is also angry that the former marital home is now being sold because I had to take it to court as exH refused to sell for many years. He is saying I am making his dad homeless. He doesn't seem to realise I have effectively been homeless and relying on my own parents for several years now.

I work full-time and I’m exhausted. I do my best, but I can’t cook from scratch every night or creates some perfect calm environment. I’m barely surviving at this point. I have a chronic health condition which I believe was triggered by being in an abusive relationship with exH.

What worries me most is how unhappy DS seems underneath the anger. Sometimes after exploding he becomes deeply remorseful, cries uncontrollably, apologises, and seems genuinely distressed by his own behaviour. Tonight we had another huge argument because I wouldn’t let him eat dinner alone in bed. I insisted he eat downstairs with the family and he reacted by shutting himself away and sobbing with frustration. Sometimes he just screams with rage until he is hoarse.

But I’m exhausted, sad, and increasingly worried about both of us.

I tried the Oliver James lovebombing book and it made not a jot of difference.

I absolutely can't ask exH for help; at best he will delight in the fact that I am struggling and at worst he will use anything and everything against me in the family court or the case he is invariablly building against me. Both DC do not want to spend more time with exH; DS1 will say he wants to go live with dad but then later will say he didn't mean it.

I have gone through DS' phone and I can't find anything untoward in any messages (apart very insidious criticism of me from exH). I don't think he is being bullied and he isn't looking at anything misogynistic it is just silly stuff.

I'm so exhausted. I hate seeing DS so unhappy. I'm so ashamed of the way he treats me and DS2 and can't talk to anyone about it; most families avoid getting too close to me or exH as everyone knows about our "messy divorce" although they don't know the abuse I suffered. If anyone's read "why does he do that?" exH was the Water Torturer type. He made me feel like I was going mad, I ended up being referred to AMHT and he was really keen to get me labelled as having BPD which I don't have. I feel like I need to start repairing things NOW before DS becomes a teenager.

Help??

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Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 00:35

TranscendThis · 21/05/2026 23:33

Autism is highly heritable, it sounds like DS1 is Autistic. The controlling behaviour and somewhat extreme outbursts and criticisms remind me of my Autistic teen.

I have an emotionally abusive and manipulative ex. My son behaves in similar ways and has gone so far I was unable to cope with him being here.

I too have chronic illness. These are so severe I'm not primary carer and have been hospitalised with severe attacks of illness.

I read from your post; way too much guilt, way too much trying to fix all the problems your son has. He's going to struggle because he sounds Autistic. You're taking all this guilt and worry about how he is at the expense of yourself.

Does he enjoy time with his dad? I appreciate this is very controversial but you need a break and time for yourself because I know how demanding and exhausting ND kids can be ( I don't mean to cause offence but this is the reality for most). So, is it worth getting more time for yourself with him seeing the ex.

Can you afford counselling? It has been a life saver for me. I've had to make very self focused decisions which are not acceptable by society standards but have probably saved my life. So I can't recommend this enough. You have so much to deal with with the ex knobhead and high needs kids. ❤️

Thank you for your message x
Sorry you've got so much to deal with.
I must admit it has never occurred to me that DS1 is autistic. Nobody ever has suggested this before.
He does absolutely hate plans changing at the last minute though. Hates it. Even if it's a nice thing like an impromptu cinema trip, or a friend coming round.

No he doesn't seem to enjoy time at his dad's. I think that as he has got older they get along better than they did because he used to get very upset going. Now DS plays football, and exH is enjoying being a soccer dad, they have the premier league etc to talk about.

DS now sneers at me and says I have "beef with dad" when I am trying to just keep my head above water and survive... I don't want to have beef with anyone, truly.

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Sodthesystem · 22/05/2026 02:03

It’s all very well saying you’re not sure if he will see a therapist but, you do know he doesn’t get a choice right? He’s your son and what you say goes. He gets told he’s going to see a therapist and that’s that. Or he can go stay with his dad permanently. And mean it. You have to stop showing any fear and really take the reins or he is going to walk all over you. “I won’t tolerate abuse in my own home, so buck up your ideas or go stay with your dad kiddo”.

I know it’s easier said than done. But you don’t want to be dealing with this when he is 15. Hopefully it’s not too late and you can still bluff some sort of air of authority if you get serious and stop pandering to him. But you’re gonna have to fake it till you make it.

I would also pay close attention to what internet content he consumes. Make sure his computer is in a public room. Because he is a prime target for those manosphere lot.

Oreoqueen87 · 22/05/2026 02:43

I get really frustrated at posters trotting out “could they be neurodivergent” but in this case I think it’s a valid line of enquiry. His behaviours sound like a 12 year old version of my AUHD son (aged 8). Particularly the refusing requests - this sounds like oppositional demand disorder (used to be called pathological demand avoidance). Also the doing brilliantly at school and falling apart at home.

It’s so hard, isn’t it? You are his safe space so likely get the brunt of all of it. I definitely think follow up with CAHMS, it can’t hurt and it gets harder as they get older to get them to engage.

Change is very hard for autistic folk so things should improve once you are settled in a routine again, but I think looking at some techniques around demand avoidance and emotional deregulation aimed at neurodivergent kids could really help in the meantime.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 22/05/2026 03:10

Outofmydepth28 · 21/05/2026 23:00

Thank you all so much for your replies, and for reading my stupidly long post 😭

@ByGraptharsHammer when we first split he talked down to me a lot, I had not recognised it was the same manner as exH but siblings and friends did. It stopped for many years but now it is back. A sort of disdain / disgust, beyond his years. I have had therapy, and still am. I think it has really helped. I am not sure if DS would be open to it. Sometimes he says he would see the emotional well-being worker he had in primary school. I think she does private work. She worked with him for about 5 years.

DS also thinks that he might have ADHD. I have been saying this for ages... I recognise the ADHD rages and he is very forgetful / absent minded - but exH has started saying he himself is autiHD now.

But when I had parents evening nobody said anything. He could be masking though, the fatigue could be because of this.

He could be masking though, the fatigue could be because of this.

Yes, yes he is.

Autism has a genetic component, so an autistic child is more likely than a neurotypical child to have an autistic sibling.

He's not long moved to secondary school with a new regime that involves walking between classrooms instead of staying in one room all day and dealing with multiple subject teachers and conflicting workload demands about homework, which puts extra strain on autistic children compared to primary school. Now his home life is being disrupted as well and his parents are behaving in ways that he will struggle to understand and be frightened by. I'd be surprised if he wasn't behaving dickishly at home.

Look for what works for autistic children in terms of sensory breaks and creating means of self-regulation, and try them with him. You don't need to wait for an autism diagnosis to do this.

Oh lord, I just re-read. He's sharing a room and you're all living with your parents. That lack of respite from other people must be driving him insane.

Wallywobbles · 22/05/2026 05:17

Honestly how much does DS really know about your side of all this? I’m a massive believer in telling the truth. My Exh put me in a situation where I my only option was the truth and my kids were really small. But it was my only defense. At 8&9 they want to court to stop seeing him. At 11&12 he lost parental responsibility.

I don’t think you have any option but to explain it all. In terms of the choices you had and have and why you made them. Both my DCs ended up training to be lawyers ironically.

The thing is that they aren’t without scars I suspect. Neither of them are easy. DD1 has an AuDHD diagnosis as an adult. But my god they are strong firey women and I’m proud of them.

Ive always explained the options I had and why I’m making the choices I am. I defended the DC from their Dad where I could. Did it help - probably not. But I was very upfront about my options. I asked their opinions and preferences and went to battle for them. 9 years in court.

Good luck. May the truth set you free (or at least help).

AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/05/2026 06:26

Is contact court ordered?. I would go back to court if it is, these children are being harmed by their father. You divorced him thankfully but he is still
abusing you through his children and so does not give a toss about them either. He has not changed in all the years since you divorced him, this is who he really is. Your ex hates you and hates all women. All he wants is to win against you, if he kids are emotionally damaged as a result he does not care. All that man cares about is his own stupid self.

How much age appropriate truth have you told your kids about you divorcing your abuser?.

Both kids here need to be well away from their abusive father who is using them to get back at you. The words that your ds utters re you having beef with dad is really your ex using your son as his mouthpiece. In turn ds2 does not realise thst he is being used and otherwise manipulated by his dad. This child is being pulled in all directions and still wants his dad’s approval. People like his dad are master manipulators after all. Both your kids need decent male role models in their lives so your ex does not count.

How good is your solicitor here, you need someone here who can stand up to your ex. I would also be contacting Women’s Aid re his ongoing abuse . Their dads behaviour will follow both your kids into adulthood and seep into their own relationships.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/05/2026 06:31

And I see without much if any surprise that’s your ex thinks he is autistic. So many abusive men use that and ADHD as justification for their behaviour and abuse. It’s a further insult to those people who are actually formally diagnosed with same.

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 22/05/2026 06:39

Theres a few things youve written that shout manosphere to me.

The "orthorexia"
"groomed him into hating his dad"
And "stealing his dads home".
He is 12 and not thick. Its also interesting he hates sharing a room and thats "your fault" and you are also "robbing from his father"
Theres an uncomfortable contradiction there where he cant see hus fathers obstructive behaviour is why he isnt housed as he'd like.

As a child who was "protected" I think its worth sitting hik down and explain your side of things.

Owly11 · 22/05/2026 07:21

You need to separate out empathy (he really has good reason for being fed up with his life) and discipline (he really does need to be stopped bullying his sibling and behaving absolutely disgustingly to you). You need to teach him what is an appropriate way to express his feelings (verbally) and what is most definitely NOT an acceptable way to express them (acting them out with violence and aggression). Kindly, you are going to need some kind of parenting group or counselling support to achieve this as right now you are too wrapped up in your own exhaustion and stress to be able to do this without support.

Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 07:36

Nogimachi · 21/05/2026 22:05

My goodness, this does sound hard.

Don’t feel bad about establishing stronger boundaries and consequences. He is 12, you are the adult and you are in charge.

We parented gently and without giving details we have had some very poor and concerning behaviour now DD is 14 and we have started being much more punishing and consequential. So far it is working.

Some teens need a firmer hand, they need to know there are boundaries and consequences - but you still need to keep the connection. I think as long as you are consistent and explain why the phone has been taken away, that’s ok.

Ideally Dad needs to talk with him and tell him he has to behave for you and if he doesn’t the consequences will extend to his house. Sounds like dad not too much of a team player though?

Edited

Dad is the opposite of a team player.

He wants to see me fail horribly so that he can be primary carer for DC. I am sure this is due to finances. At present he pays maintenence (a pittance, given how much he earns) and always grumbles about this. Refuses to go halves on anything and always likes to say "that's why I pay you maintenence" etc.

I've heard him telling the DC to tell me to cook them healthier food for them. And to do other things differently as well. Whereas a normal co-parent would message me directly if there was an actual issue. Not be using his kids as little messengers. These issues aren't really issues anyway; they are just any excuses that he can find to criticise me.

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Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 07:38

Owly11 · 22/05/2026 07:21

You need to separate out empathy (he really has good reason for being fed up with his life) and discipline (he really does need to be stopped bullying his sibling and behaving absolutely disgustingly to you). You need to teach him what is an appropriate way to express his feelings (verbally) and what is most definitely NOT an acceptable way to express them (acting them out with violence and aggression). Kindly, you are going to need some kind of parenting group or counselling support to achieve this as right now you are too wrapped up in your own exhaustion and stress to be able to do this without support.

Yes I think you are right.
No idea where I can find a parenting group though, that would support me?
It'd need to be for separated mothers with horrible exes so kind of a bit niche.

I agree totally though. I have let things slide.

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Heraldry · 22/05/2026 07:57

Do you still regularly play board games/bake together/go on cycle rides or picnics etc as a family unit, you and both boys? I found when mine were teens it was in these moments that I got their real personalities back. It’s easy to accidentally let them slide in to being in the room too much and it’s not good for any of you. A family walk after Sunday dinner maybe. My friend has three teen boys and swears by her weekly quiz/card game evenings at the dinner table, I think the teens design the quizzes and there’s a prize…they all do family bingo still too.

Any interactions where there’s no tension, just simple enjoyment of each other’s company.

Also - I have incredibly strong boundaries…mine have always known there would be serious consequences if they spoke to me aggressively or slammed doors/punched walls, screamed in rage in the house etc. I refuse to have aggression or cruelty in my home. The appalling swearing at you should be considered unacceptable from now on, explain this in very plain language and mean it. Maybe try and get him to martial art classes for the discipline and physicality.

Owly11 · 22/05/2026 08:06

Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 07:38

Yes I think you are right.
No idea where I can find a parenting group though, that would support me?
It'd need to be for separated mothers with horrible exes so kind of a bit niche.

I agree totally though. I have let things slide.

Sadly it's not niche at all 😢 these abusive exes all seem to have the same guidebook. How about contacting Women's Aid and seeing if they have any organisations or resources they can recommend? Or looking on the local authority website to see what local resources are offered by the council? There are bound to be support groups and so on on Facebook etc as well that have real life meet ups too. Good luck.

UpDownAllAround1 · 22/05/2026 08:07

I also feel sorry for the grandparents in all of this. Hope that property sale can be achieved so a house move happens

Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 08:18

UpDownAllAround1 · 22/05/2026 08:07

I also feel sorry for the grandparents in all of this. Hope that property sale can be achieved so a house move happens

I feel very sorry for them too 😭

It is not nice, when they should be enjoying their retirement, to have all this chaos.

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Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 08:35

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 22/05/2026 06:39

Theres a few things youve written that shout manosphere to me.

The "orthorexia"
"groomed him into hating his dad"
And "stealing his dads home".
He is 12 and not thick. Its also interesting he hates sharing a room and thats "your fault" and you are also "robbing from his father"
Theres an uncomfortable contradiction there where he cant see hus fathers obstructive behaviour is why he isnt housed as he'd like.

As a child who was "protected" I think its worth sitting hik down and explain your side of things.

Edited

I definitely feel like exH is part of the manosphere / men going their own way.

From the way he acted when our marriage broke down, when we split, the things he told family court, it all seemed really rehearsed or something.

And now DS is calling me "agitated" and telling me I need pills (a very American term) when I am stressed.

I really don't think DS is on the manosphere though as I have checked his phone and cannot see anything there.

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WhatNextImScared · 22/05/2026 08:47

I agree with others that he’s probably high functioning ASD but the lack of space and respite is completely overwhelming at home.

let him eat dinner in his room a few times a week. Let him more zone out/screen time, in return from some one on one time with you eg going for a walk

are you possibly not doing this as you’ll be worried about being judged for letting him “get away” with things you weren’t allowed to as a child? I wonder whether it’s worth thinking about that. Do you feel free to parent him the way you really want to?

Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 10:30

Heraldry · 22/05/2026 07:57

Do you still regularly play board games/bake together/go on cycle rides or picnics etc as a family unit, you and both boys? I found when mine were teens it was in these moments that I got their real personalities back. It’s easy to accidentally let them slide in to being in the room too much and it’s not good for any of you. A family walk after Sunday dinner maybe. My friend has three teen boys and swears by her weekly quiz/card game evenings at the dinner table, I think the teens design the quizzes and there’s a prize…they all do family bingo still too.

Any interactions where there’s no tension, just simple enjoyment of each other’s company.

Also - I have incredibly strong boundaries…mine have always known there would be serious consequences if they spoke to me aggressively or slammed doors/punched walls, screamed in rage in the house etc. I refuse to have aggression or cruelty in my home. The appalling swearing at you should be considered unacceptable from now on, explain this in very plain language and mean it. Maybe try and get him to martial art classes for the discipline and physicality.

We do occasionally do stuff together as a family; watching Traitors was good as we got really invested..
He used to love board games but he has gone off them and has no interest in anything and it has got to the point where he will only join in if he has threats e.g. you have to play or you can't go on your phone. So it's very much forced / compelled. Sometimes he is back to his old self after a short while but other times he is so miserable and unpleasant I will just excuse him because he doesn't want to be there.

We used to do cooking just the two of us but the food he now wants to eat is just weird body-builder food he eats with exH so like avocado, eggs, tuna but no carbs. Used to be like spaghetti boligonaise or "normal" food. But he won't touch that now.

I have very little free time when it is just him and me but we did used to go for a walk together during that time but now he just wants to flop and go on his phone.

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Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 10:36

WhatNextImScared · 22/05/2026 08:47

I agree with others that he’s probably high functioning ASD but the lack of space and respite is completely overwhelming at home.

let him eat dinner in his room a few times a week. Let him more zone out/screen time, in return from some one on one time with you eg going for a walk

are you possibly not doing this as you’ll be worried about being judged for letting him “get away” with things you weren’t allowed to as a child? I wonder whether it’s worth thinking about that. Do you feel free to parent him the way you really want to?

Yes it would be good if there was more space i totally agree.

I hate the idea of him eating alone.

I feel like I can mostly parent the way I want but there is very much the worry that he will report back any sanctions to exH who will very much use them against me. So I think I avoid e.g. taking his phone for a week if he swears at me because exH will phrase it as "mother has a short fuse and removed any communication device".

I took his phone for an hour the other day, not in a punitive way, just in a "let's see if you can go without it for a bit" and he immediately said it was to prevent him from messaging exH. They don't even message that much! But I've never stopped him messaging his dad. His dad has stopped him from messaging me, phone contact had to be written into the court order because he refused to let them call me even when they were away for three weeks 😪

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SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 22/05/2026 10:39

Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 10:30

We do occasionally do stuff together as a family; watching Traitors was good as we got really invested..
He used to love board games but he has gone off them and has no interest in anything and it has got to the point where he will only join in if he has threats e.g. you have to play or you can't go on your phone. So it's very much forced / compelled. Sometimes he is back to his old self after a short while but other times he is so miserable and unpleasant I will just excuse him because he doesn't want to be there.

We used to do cooking just the two of us but the food he now wants to eat is just weird body-builder food he eats with exH so like avocado, eggs, tuna but no carbs. Used to be like spaghetti boligonaise or "normal" food. But he won't touch that now.

I have very little free time when it is just him and me but we did used to go for a walk together during that time but now he just wants to flop and go on his phone.

There are tonnes of high protein food recipes on IG.

Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 10:44

Owly11 · 22/05/2026 08:06

Sadly it's not niche at all 😢 these abusive exes all seem to have the same guidebook. How about contacting Women's Aid and seeing if they have any organisations or resources they can recommend? Or looking on the local authority website to see what local resources are offered by the council? There are bound to be support groups and so on on Facebook etc as well that have real life meet ups too. Good luck.

I have been referred for Freedom Programme but there is a bit of a wait. I would love a charity that supports women with abusive exes they are being forced to "co-parent" with.
If anyone reading this knows of anything please let me know.

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Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 10:47

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 22/05/2026 10:39

There are tonnes of high protein food recipes on IG.

Thank you...I am not sure if he even will cook these. He just wants steak, avocado, eggs etc. A lot of the food he wants is expensive and I cannot afford it. Eggs yes but he says he already has too many of these at his dad's. Also tuna.

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Newusername0 · 22/05/2026 10:48

‘but I keep thinking what would have happened if he hadn't?‘

Then you’d have changed the WIFI password and blocked his phone with the network provider! Not a chance in the world I would accept such disrespect, I don’t care how big he is.

He is going through massive hormonal shifts which will cause some behavioural challenges and you need to calmly, but robustly, enforce all boundaries. Teenage years are tough for this reason, but you’ll both come out the other side eventually.

Outofmydepth28 · 22/05/2026 10:49

Heraldry · 22/05/2026 07:57

Do you still regularly play board games/bake together/go on cycle rides or picnics etc as a family unit, you and both boys? I found when mine were teens it was in these moments that I got their real personalities back. It’s easy to accidentally let them slide in to being in the room too much and it’s not good for any of you. A family walk after Sunday dinner maybe. My friend has three teen boys and swears by her weekly quiz/card game evenings at the dinner table, I think the teens design the quizzes and there’s a prize…they all do family bingo still too.

Any interactions where there’s no tension, just simple enjoyment of each other’s company.

Also - I have incredibly strong boundaries…mine have always known there would be serious consequences if they spoke to me aggressively or slammed doors/punched walls, screamed in rage in the house etc. I refuse to have aggression or cruelty in my home. The appalling swearing at you should be considered unacceptable from now on, explain this in very plain language and mean it. Maybe try and get him to martial art classes for the discipline and physicality.

He does do football and he is good at this and enjoys it. He did martial arts for a bit and am trying to find a new class. There is not a lot on where we live unfortunately but I do think martial arts would be good for the discipline.

I did say if he tells me to fuck off again then he is losing his phone for a week.

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Balloonhearts · 22/05/2026 11:03

It sounds like he's dealing with a hell of a lot and honestly, an acrimonious divorce is extremely hard on the children. Obviously it will affect their lives but they shouldn't be stuck in the middle with this and hearing the sides of the argument.

Is there any way your ex will be convinced to play grown ups and act civil with you in front of the kids? My mum hated my dad's guts but I never knew it until I was an adult because they hid it from me. They were polite in person and didn't shit talk each other in front of me. This is what needs to happen. He shouldn't feel pressure to take sides.

Can you get him some counselling? Someone to talk to who will not report back to a parent and is completely uninvolved, may help. He clearly isn't coping.

At the same time, I would take a hard line on the swearing and disrespect. It's completely unacceptable, whatever is going on. No way would that pass without punishment. Not in the moment, let him calm down, then discuss consequences but there needs to be a consequence.

If my teen spoke to me like your ds has been to you, I'd smack his backside so hard his grandkids would feel it. The first time would have been the last. You can't let that become habit, let them get away with it once and suddenly they think they can keep doing it.

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