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Financial prenuptial proposal

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Wondernotwander · 04/03/2026 22:42

Although I believe that context makes all the difference, I will make it fairly brief, as I would like to get feedback for this proposal mostly on its own merrit.
I'll say this much: we've met approx 4 years ago. The relationship has had many ups and downs, including months of breaking up multiple times.

I own a small home but struggle to get by on a day to day basis and have several k's in cc debt; he has equity on a shared house from a previous marriage but doesn't own otherwise. He does have significant savings and although he isn't a very high earner, makes a decently comfortable living.
Finances, specifically his anxiety around my debt and lack of resources has always been one of the big issues in our relationship. In fact, it's caused him to be "more cautious" with spending on me or even on us (as in nice dates out, especially earlier on in our relationship) as he felt I don't have the resources to contribute or reciprocate. (Thus any financial decision making so far hasn't exactly been mutual, but since I have less I mostly accepted that, it made sense. I dont know that "mutual decision making" will trully be mutual. But thats already entering more on the dynamics of the relationship)

All feedback, analysis and suggestions are welcome. Whether on the proposal or what ot may say about the relationship.

Here is the proposal:

Our Financial Understanding

Before you read it, I want you to know how much I love you and that I don’t ever want to get divorced again. Life is too short — we have suffered enough. I want us to grow stronger and stronger together and build the peaceful, loving life we both deserve.

Paradoxically, working through a scenario where we might separate can create space for us to stay together from a place of love and connection, rather than feeling trapped - whether financially or otherwise.

Income After Marriage

Once we’re married, both our incomes will go into a new joint account from which our ongoing living expenses will be paid.
We’ll make decisions together equally about how it’s spent, no matter who earns more.
We will live within our means, avoid debt at all costs, and build savings for emergencies, vacations, and retirement.
Significant purchases ($ -?) will always be discussed together.
If we were ever to separate, any savings accumulated in the joint account would be divided equally between us.

Debt

I want us to build our future on a clean financial slate. We'll consolidate your existing credit card debt, and I'll do my best to get support to pay it off — or cover it myself if needed. So that from day one, our financial interests are aligned, and we're fully focused on building our life together.
If we separate in the future, you would repay what I personally covered, excluding any funds that came from outside assistance.

Pre-Marriage Assets

Anything we each bring into the marriage — savings, investments, businesses, retirement accounts, or other assets — remains that person’s separate property.
These assets will not be considered joint property now or in the future.

Your Home in --

You will retain full ownership of your home in ----.
At the beginning of our marriage, we plan to spend part of the week and some weekends in a ----, so your children can adjust gradually.
The mortgage and regular monthly expenses (utilities, insurance, standard upkeep) will be paid from our joint account as long as maintaining two homes is financially sustainable based on our combined income.
If maintaining two homes becomes financially unsustainable — including if either of us is no longer working full time — we will rent the --- home to reduce financial strain.
Any capital expenses beyond regular monthly utility costs will be tracked and treated as a reimbursable contribution in the event of separation or sale.
If the home is rented, rental income will first cover the mortgage and property costs, and any excess will go into our joint account. If the home is rented, rental income will first cover the mortgage and property costs. Any remaining net rental income will remain your separate property.
If we separate, any appreciation in the value of the -- home remains entirely yours.

Buying a Future Home Together

If we purchase a future home together, each person’s initial contribution (such as a down payment from separate savings) will remain that person’s separate equity in the property.
Mortgage payments made from our joint account will build shared equity for both of us.
In the event of a separation, the property will be divided proportionally based on each person’s initial contribution plus the shared equity built through joint payments, and any appreciation will be allocated accordingly.

OP posts:
Wondernotwander · 05/03/2026 00:29

NorthXNorthWest · 05/03/2026 00:18

you have a few options

You can pay an amount in to a savings account until it reaches the level of your current cc debt. Hold on to it let it gain interest and if the marriage breaks down you have the funds to pay him back.

Pay the debt off to him on a monthly, starting after the marriage, ideally on an interest free basis.

Agree what the repayment terms (ideally interest free) would be as part of the prenup. That way you have clarity of what it will look like.

Helpful advice 🙏

OP posts:
hottednews · 05/03/2026 00:31

Sorry, are you in the USA in some religious community?

Its the same principle though...find a good budgeting website which can give you free advice to have a plan to clear your debt. If its low thousands its should be quite straightforward.

I don't know most American ones (this is a UK based site) but I've seen one called Frugalwoods which gives budgeting tips.

outerspacepotato · 05/03/2026 01:56

This document throws around a lot of undefined terms and I would say isn't at all clear.

Capital expenses beyond utilities are reimbursable, WTF. What does he consider capital expenses? You owe him If the roof is replaced? If maintaining 2 homes becomes financially unsustainable, according to whom and define unsustainable. He does say he will pay your debt personally if necessary but if you split, you repay whatever he personally paid.

Is this ChatGPT written? I'd run that by a lawyer because it just sounds off.

I wouldn't sign simply because it's not a clear document. Plus, are prenups valid where you are?

Your kids moving from their religious community to a modern one is going to be huge and very, very challenging for them. And you're going to be going back and forth between homes and communities during the week for who knows how long. Are they going to be in school in old or new community?

Your relationship isn't a stable one. You've broken up multiple times for months.

Concentrate on making a budget and paying off that debt. See how your kids do with more exposure to an open modern community rather than a closed one.

Wondernotwander · 05/03/2026 03:05

outerspacepotato · 05/03/2026 01:56

This document throws around a lot of undefined terms and I would say isn't at all clear.

Capital expenses beyond utilities are reimbursable, WTF. What does he consider capital expenses? You owe him If the roof is replaced? If maintaining 2 homes becomes financially unsustainable, according to whom and define unsustainable. He does say he will pay your debt personally if necessary but if you split, you repay whatever he personally paid.

Is this ChatGPT written? I'd run that by a lawyer because it just sounds off.

I wouldn't sign simply because it's not a clear document. Plus, are prenups valid where you are?

Your kids moving from their religious community to a modern one is going to be huge and very, very challenging for them. And you're going to be going back and forth between homes and communities during the week for who knows how long. Are they going to be in school in old or new community?

Your relationship isn't a stable one. You've broken up multiple times for months.

Concentrate on making a budget and paying off that debt. See how your kids do with more exposure to an open modern community rather than a closed one.

Good catch on the ChatGPT. I haven't thought of it, but now that you mention, you're right that it was likely written/edited by chagpt.

As for the kids, my children are mostly grown. Ages are 20-26. They also spend a lot of time at their fathers place. So it won't affect their daily life much. It will still have an impact on their life and may impact our relationship ling run due to lack of proximity.

OP posts:
CombatBarbie · 05/03/2026 03:15

BoxOfCats · 04/03/2026 23:22

Why do you want to marry this guy at all? It doesn’t sound like a healthy relationship to start with.

Are we reading the same thread? He is willing to pay off her debt and start fresh. Anything put into a house is ring fenced......quite rightly.

$ and vacations though are American.

Elektra1 · 05/03/2026 04:44

Unless the relevant terms of this prooosal are going to be turned into a pre-nuptial agreement on which you each receive independent legal advice, and is signed well before the actual wedding, it’s meaningless anyway as would not be enforceable on divorce.

latelydaydreams · 05/03/2026 05:12

Other than the, we’ve broken up a few times and the issues are ‘mostly resolved’, I’d ignore the pre-nup. Essentially it’s not unfair in a few ways.

What would really get my goat is that your inability to reciprocate has meant that it’s affected how he treats you and what he spends. THAT I could not live with becuase it’s an attitude that smacks of I see myself ever so slightly superior to you. The pre-nup too has that vibe about it.

What you don’t speak of is why you WANT to marry him, you’re not saying he makes my world complete and I love him like you wouldn’t believe, he cares for me when things are tough. Only you know what the answer is to this.

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 05/03/2026 07:45

Hivernal · 05/03/2026 00:02

The phrasing is a bit wanky but the actual terms seem fair enough - pooling income, he'll help pay off your debts and you both keep the assets you brought to the relationship. Talking about finances like this isn't romantic but if you both have children from previous relationships it makes sense to protect yourself financially. Personally I wouldn't marry someone with thousands in debt.

More importantly, is your relationship stable enough to be looking at marriage? Have the reasons for the previous breakups been resolved? Do you need to get married, what's wrong with dating?

Wanky because it’s been written by AI and he couldn’t be bothered to de-American it.

Sounds reasonable though.

caringcarer · 05/03/2026 08:18

I think it sounds very fair to you. The man is obviously very worried about your debt and wants to make sure the marriage is on an equal footing.

Namechangedforthiswon · 05/03/2026 08:22

I actually think it’s very fair, and I don’t see the issue with it. If I was ever to get married I’d probably suggest something very similar.

I have nearly £500,000 equity in my house; £200k savings and a business and there’s no way in hell anyone is going to take this away from me given I built it up myself pre marriage.

bigboykitty · 05/03/2026 08:36

I think the fairness or otherwise of it all hinges on how much your debt is @Wondernotwander and whether or not there is a window for paying it back if you separate or whether that is a forever requirement. If it's the latter, then that's the basis for an abusive relationship.

You haven't exactly been forthcoming about the situation OP and I expect there are a ton of red flags if you were to say more. I'm really not sure why people bother to get married but exempt themselves and each other from all of the legal financial implications of doing so. The pre nup isn't necessarily a bad one, apart from the issue I raised above.

outerspacepotato · 05/03/2026 10:48

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 05/03/2026 07:45

Wanky because it’s been written by AI and he couldn’t be bothered to de-American it.

Sounds reasonable though.

I think OP is in the US. Prenups are legally binding here, but conditions depend on the state.

This doesn't cover spousal support if they separate or divorce or estate planning and inheritance or full financial disclosure.

mindutopia · 05/03/2026 13:24

Who is using ChatGPT to plan their financial lives together?!

No, this is no way to live. This whole joint money, all financial decisions made together, no financial independence crap. In real life, I have no time or energy to be asking Dh if it’s okay for me to make a purchase or pay a bill or sign dc up for an activity. We have a joint account because we trust each other to use it sensibly. No one is peering over anyone’s shoulder.

But after paying proportionately into that, our money individually is our money. It’s MY money, not our money. Dh has no idea what I spend my money on and I have no idea what he spends his on. I don’t care. He is his own person and I trust him to be able to manage his life without me micromanaging.

If you can’t do that, don’t join finances. Really if you’ve broken up multiple times in 4 years, don’t join finances at all.

CatherinedeBourgh · 05/03/2026 16:12

Wondernotwander · 05/03/2026 00:05

Can you elaborate more?
I'm particularly afraid of having to repay cc debt if things don't work out. Because A. It'll make me indebted to him indefinitely. B. If things don't work out it may keep me stuck if I don't have the funds to repay.

Is this unreasonable of me? (Should I just hold off on the marriage until I pay the debt in full, in which case, he would not sit around waiting any longer.)

I think it's beneficial to you as you have a lower income but more assets.

By making all income joint income it benefits you. By keeping assets separate it ring fences your assets and stops him having a claim on them.

You participate equally in any future asset accumulation, despite contributing proportionally less.

If he pays off your debt you stop accruing interest. If you split up, you can just adjust the division jointly accumulated assets so that he gets the money he paid for you back, before you split what is left. You will still get more than you would have had if you'd kept finances separate. I don't see why you would be unable to leave.

Comtesse · 05/03/2026 16:29

Anyone who would send an AI mad list like that is not someone who I would like to build a life with. The principles are ok but rubbish way to communicate.

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 05/03/2026 16:35

I thought this was your proposal to him and thought it was crazy...

Is this his proposal to you?
(Still think its crazy)

Just buy a house as tenants in common...

mcmuffin22 · 05/03/2026 16:48

CombatBarbie · 05/03/2026 03:15

Are we reading the same thread? He is willing to pay off her debt and start fresh. Anything put into a house is ring fenced......quite rightly.

$ and vacations though are American.

That's not a reason to get married to someone who is already being weird about money. The whole thing reads like he is paying for a wife.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 05/03/2026 16:50

Why are you considering living together? Prenuptial agreements are not legally binding and n any case you've only been together for t tears and have split up for months at a time.
Get a lodger if you need money - far safer.

Betterthantherichesofthisworld · 05/03/2026 17:05

Broadly speaking, the pre-nup seems reasonable.

It's the other details in your post that make me pause. Especially the faith based issues, because that's a biggie, definitely if you are going from orthodox to more liberal ( I used those terms generically). Do you have an elder toy can talk with? Also the relationship doesn't sound terribly stable.

If you are American or may be worth posting in an American board to get more culture specific feedback.

hottednews · 05/03/2026 17:24

OP seems comfortable carrying a small but significant debt (say £100-300 a month she hasn't wanted to pay off over 4 years).

Its not ideal but not urgent and a reasonably common attitude, spend to meet your earnings.

Assuming she has margin in her budget, this debt just requires some lifestyle tweaking to clear.

Basics like home cooking, reducing big fixed costs and minimising discretionary spends would probably do it.

Boyfriend doesn't like any debt and would prefer OP to change her mindset.

OP hasn't registered the level of debt she has an actual problem, but boyfriend wants to use the prenuptial to "coach" her into being frugal.

Some strong religious communities have guidelines on men being providers when married, taking on a leadership role when making decisions.

However, both parties have children and assets and there's a debt, boyfriend probably doesn't want more debt to be built up.

The pre-nuptial does seem reasonable, but I think it might reflect that the couple have very different attitudes when it comes to finances and spending?

If they're reducing bills through living together that may help.

The worry is if OP is still more comfortable maxxing out spending to match the budget available.

TwistedWonder · 05/03/2026 18:13

Wondernotwander · 05/03/2026 00:20

The issues are a lot better, but not entirely solved and gone 😞

So why on earth are you marrying a man that you’ve had so many issues with in a few short years?

Onthemaintrunkline · 05/03/2026 18:45

Wondernotwander · 05/03/2026 00:05

Can you elaborate more?
I'm particularly afraid of having to repay cc debt if things don't work out. Because A. It'll make me indebted to him indefinitely. B. If things don't work out it may keep me stuck if I don't have the funds to repay.

Is this unreasonable of me? (Should I just hold off on the marriage until I pay the debt in full, in which case, he would not sit around waiting any longer.)

Work on, repay your own debt then you are beholden to no one.

Cerialkiller · 05/03/2026 19:04

Prenup is fine really as long as the vague bits are better defined.

The real issues are, firstly, your relationship doesn't seem stable. Has anything actually changed from the time you separated to now? What makes you think it will work out better in the future?

Secondly. If your debt is self inflicted (so not a result of divorce or other short term/one time issue) then you two have very different attitudes to money and any relationship is doomed. Financial issues are one of the major causes of breakups. If you aren't compatible financially then you just aren't suited and there's only resentment on both sides to look forward to.

Why are you bothering to get married? Why can't you just live together without that legal joining? You both have kids already, I'm guessing from your kids ages that you are in your 40s or older, so unlikely to be having more kids together, which is the main reason people suggest to get married.

August1980 · 05/03/2026 20:24

Op, you can get a solicitor to draw up an agreement for you. We have a prenup. Neither of us came into our marriage with debt but with significant assets. 3 London properties for me and 9 for him he had family wealth (which I don’t have). We kept everything we had from before as ours but anything from the date of marriage as ours. If he wants you to sign a prenup get a solicitor to draft one for you and ensure he pays for it. That’s what we did as husband earned more then £150k more than me at the time of marriage! Prenups aren’t bad. If anything happens and hubby loses everything, atleast your assets are safe and can be used for both of you

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · 06/03/2026 12:46

The whole thing sounds like a complete nightmare.