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Morally dubious suggestions regarding cheating

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exhaustDAD · 17/02/2026 17:09

I have been thinking a lot about a thread and all the comments in it from the last few days - been deleted since. A woman shared her story of having an affair, long story short, she gave herself the excuse that it was just to break the boredom in her life, the dull routine of raising kids and a long-standing relationship. She concluded it all by saying that she would not tell her husband about her long affair. The comments shocked me. While the vast majority was on the same page I find myself on in a situation like this, there were some that absolutely shocked me to my core. I believe when you cheat, the damage is done, it cannot be reversed, but the grownup thing - the right thing - to do is to at least own up to what you've done, and tell your partner. That way, even though it is painful, the partner doesn't have to live a lie, and they can decide what they would want going forward, giving them some agency in the relationship they signed up for. That's what I believe in. I think it is despicable to just cosy back into your old life, you internally forgive yourself, how convenient, and make your partner live a lie, thinking they have a faithful partner. The thought of potentially living an entire life like this is such a disrespectful thing. I care very little for excuses like "it was a mistake" - cheating is ALWAYS a choice. Nobody is forcing anyone to cheat. Especially long-lasting affairs, please, that's as far from a mistake as it can be.

Anyway.. There were comments that urged the woman not to tell her husband, because it would just invite drama, and distrust going forward. And why would anyone want to to do that? First of all - excuse me?! Going forward? Second - How could anyone look in the mirror and sleep well doing something like this? Just be so self-absorbed that you think it's ok to lie for ever about something like this, disrespecting the partner they supposedly love? Like petty children trying to get away with a stain on the carpet. We are adults, civilised, grownups... Or at least, we should be. The argument of "oh they will be devastated" will never stand for me. It might be painful, but at least it is the truth. And don't know about you, I'd rather live in the truth than a lie that I have no say in. (Those who said they would rather not know if their partner cheated are also beyond my comprehension.. wow)

What really got me was this - I have seen a username or two, who were very fact of the matter, casually supported not telling the husband, because that would make the woman look bad - while I have seen them in other threads calling men selfish disgusting pigs who even glanced at other women. What is this? Mind-blowing. I would suggest the very same to both men and women, and it boggles my mind how people would form such double-standards...crazy.

I feel very strongly about the topic because I have seen many good friends and family members be destroyed by such actions.

What do we think? Does it make sense for you not to tell a partner? Do you think it is ok to tell a female cheater that it's ok, while telling a male one that he's an irredeemable piece of trash?

OP posts:
moderate · 22/02/2026 10:23

exhaustDAD · 22/02/2026 10:12

I can only type this down so many times - nobody questions the different circumstances that lead to cheating. But to rationalise any cheater's decision to cheat to anything but a personal choice they made is pointless. But I am really running out of ways to express this. You keep coming back repeating "oh but there are so many things to consider why someone ends up cheating", - I am not debating that, I am not questioning that, it is very much true - yes, but christ, the decision is always theirs to cross that line. If you fail to understand that, you are naive, I am sorry. If someone walks up to a person and punches them in the face, there are so many things that could have lead for them to decide to do so - Was the person fired from work? Was he drinking? Did someone steal their wallet that day? Did he step in dog poo? Did his wife announce that she initiated divorce? Did he lose a parent? All of these could have lead the person to be aggressive to a random person. And that's assault. Whether any of the above list happened or not is irrelevant for the assaulted person, or the rest of the world. It was this person's choice to go ahead and punch someone on the face. He could have chosen to not do it because it's wrong, and he's a mature adult where he can overcome caveman feelings. It was his choice and his alone.
I am running out of examples, really.

By the way, 50 out of 54 people so far agree with me that comparing cheating to driving makes zero sense @moderate , so much for your side of the debate. My goal was to find out whether I am so blind that I don't see it, as I am always happy to learn. But seems like no.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeingunreasonable/5493795-i-cant-see-how-cheating-can-be-compared-to-driving?reply=150666281

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See if you can quote me, or anyone else in this thread, claiming that a person is forced to cheat.

Keep arguing with your little straw man. Your link leads nowhere.

exhaustDAD · 22/02/2026 10:26

I apologise, Not sure how I a managed to copy a faulty link. Hopefully this will work:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5493795-i-cant-see-how-cheating-can-be-compared-to-driving?reply=150666281

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moderate · 22/02/2026 10:31

You’ve created a whole new thread to argue with a straw man there too.

Again:

See if you can quote me, or anyone else in this thread, claiming that a person is forced to cheat.

exhaustDAD · 22/02/2026 10:41

Yup. That strawman has zero chance. Also - I directly quoted your argument. That's literally the opposite of a strawman, but hey, if it makes you sleep better. Doesn't change the fact that you see something other people don't.

I also have no idea what you are referring to claiming that someone is forced to cheat. It's also like - gasp - oh no. Not a strawman...
If you mean a throwaway point, a hypothetical example in an argument that WOULD be the only way you can diminish someone's own responsibility in their own decision to be unfaithful, then... uhm, you got me? I have got nothing there. You do realise the above example of someone walking up to another person and punching someone else is also just an example, right?

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moderate · 22/02/2026 10:45

exhaustDAD · 22/02/2026 10:41

Yup. That strawman has zero chance. Also - I directly quoted your argument. That's literally the opposite of a strawman, but hey, if it makes you sleep better. Doesn't change the fact that you see something other people don't.

I also have no idea what you are referring to claiming that someone is forced to cheat. It's also like - gasp - oh no. Not a strawman...
If you mean a throwaway point, a hypothetical example in an argument that WOULD be the only way you can diminish someone's own responsibility in their own decision to be unfaithful, then... uhm, you got me? I have got nothing there. You do realise the above example of someone walking up to another person and punching someone else is also just an example, right?

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What do you actually think you’re disagreeing with me about? Quote it.

exhaustDAD · 22/02/2026 11:22

Anything but to conclude a discussion with you not winning it, right? I remember being like that, when I was 14. You've seen it yourself, a shocking majority of people have no idea how you can see a parallel between the decision to drive and a decision to cheat. That should make you think about it, at least. You've even said farewell, I said farewell, and here you are again, engaging again.

What do you actually think you’re disagreeing with me about? Quote it.
How about, no thanks.

What we disagree on is the basic structure of what cheating is. I can acknowledge all the factors that can be present in someone's life that will nudge them towards cheating, but then look at the pivotal moment where the decision is made to be unfaithful as the person's own choice, their own responsibility. You can't. You keep pointing out the validity and importance of all the aforementioned factors, something I don't debate existing. That's why what we say go past each other, because I am not arguing those circumstances. They just simply don't take away your own responsibility when it comes to the decision. You soften the cheaters' sole responsibility to cheat, and I don't know why, I don't need to know why, either, maybe so you can rationalise your own partner's infidelity so it doesn't hurt as much - just a guess, I am not stating it as a fact. If that's the case, it is a coping mechanism, and will not make it reality. You choosing to believe (your words, not mine) that it did not happen in a vacuum is fine and dandy, but it will not take away the very heavy reality of the moment that your partner had to consciously go ahead and decide to be unfaithful.

I do like the way you make your points, I genuinely think you are probably a knowledgable and intelligent person. That's why I am guessing you choose to cope a certain way.

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AltitudeCheck · 22/02/2026 11:30

What is a 'mistake' if it's not a bad choice, lapse in judgement, moment of weakness?

It's far from the worst thing a person can do in a relationship. I'd take a happy, present, supportive partner who makes a poor choice (that they make sure doesn't affect me and that they learn from and don'trepeat) over one who is faithful but unkind or self righteous.

No one is saying cheating is good or ok... but after the fact, if someone has messed up, regrets it, is no longer cheating and has the choice of whether to carry the guilt privately or inflict that pain on the partner and family, I think that silence is sometimes the best choice.

Thinking v poorly of someone who is caught cheating (and saying LTB as you'll never forgive the betrayal) and advising someone not to tell their partner about a single past 'mistake' are not mutually exclusive.

exhaustDAD · 22/02/2026 11:42

And it's A-ok to think this way @AltitudeCheck , if that is how you feel, it's just something we think differently about. You would choose A, I would always choose B. I will always choose reality and truth, however uncomfortable they are, you say there are cases when hiding it is better. I would hate to live my life in a lie, where I think my wife was faithful to me until the end, when in reality, if that was not true, it would be one of the ultimate form of disrespect and betrayal - to me. My view of this is that it's convenient rather than a good solution - because it's convenient not to stir the waters, not to make our loved ones angry or sad, and potentially change our family unit (potential separation). It is convenient to be weak for a little bit and 'oopsie' a cheating, have a little physical fun and then hide it... I know not everyone believes in this, but I think our actions should have consequences.

If someone had a "bad choice, lapse in judgement, moment of weakness" and decided to steal someone's property, or hurt someone physically, but then regretting it, is it ok if the person just casually forgives themselves in the privacy of their own mind? Oh it would surely upset their partner, kids, the whole family, so I guess it's better to keep quiet about it.

Again, if you think it could be forgiven, especially ok to keep that one time a secret, that is your choice, your right, I don't want to change your mind, of course. Hope your partner will never abuse that. I mean, one could argue that if it's ok to "oops" it and then regret it, why not forgive it twice even? Heck. 10 is a nice, round number.

Oh, and I think just because someone cheated, I don't think they will forever need to be branded, and thought poorly of.

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AltitudeCheck · 22/02/2026 12:34

You started a thread, several threads, asking people what they think but I suspect you really want are opportunities to say what you think on repeat and make a show of being morally superior. I don't think you are genuinely curious to understand any alternative view points. Enjoy your soapbox! It is Sunday after all!

exhaustDAD · 22/02/2026 12:39

Have a great sunday, too!

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exhaustDAD · 22/02/2026 13:41

One thing is clear - this has been pushed too much, by me, predominantly. I am sorry if the discussion itself got aggravating, I'll let this thread die down, I shouldn't have been so adamant in pushing my own moral values this much. I agree, I do believe that owning up to something negative we've done is morally superior, yes. I can certainly admit to that. Anyway, it's pointless hammering it. So, everyone, have a great rest of the weekend!

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moderate · 22/02/2026 16:56

exhaustDAD · 22/02/2026 11:22

Anything but to conclude a discussion with you not winning it, right? I remember being like that, when I was 14. You've seen it yourself, a shocking majority of people have no idea how you can see a parallel between the decision to drive and a decision to cheat. That should make you think about it, at least. You've even said farewell, I said farewell, and here you are again, engaging again.

What do you actually think you’re disagreeing with me about? Quote it.
How about, no thanks.

What we disagree on is the basic structure of what cheating is. I can acknowledge all the factors that can be present in someone's life that will nudge them towards cheating, but then look at the pivotal moment where the decision is made to be unfaithful as the person's own choice, their own responsibility. You can't. You keep pointing out the validity and importance of all the aforementioned factors, something I don't debate existing. That's why what we say go past each other, because I am not arguing those circumstances. They just simply don't take away your own responsibility when it comes to the decision. You soften the cheaters' sole responsibility to cheat, and I don't know why, I don't need to know why, either, maybe so you can rationalise your own partner's infidelity so it doesn't hurt as much - just a guess, I am not stating it as a fact. If that's the case, it is a coping mechanism, and will not make it reality. You choosing to believe (your words, not mine) that it did not happen in a vacuum is fine and dandy, but it will not take away the very heavy reality of the moment that your partner had to consciously go ahead and decide to be unfaithful.

I do like the way you make your points, I genuinely think you are probably a knowledgable and intelligent person. That's why I am guessing you choose to cope a certain way.

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You've been arguing with a straw man this whole time, which is why you're unable to quote me making the claim you're knocking down. You started a whole new thread to simply repeat the same straw man on it. (The irony of you projecting your need for the last word onto me is the icing on the cake.)

On your most recent post we can agree: neither of us brings out the best in the other. I usually agree with most of what you say on this site, and I probably agree with nine tenths of what you think on this subject too.

I just don't see the point in trying to pretend that choices cannot also be mistakes. Mistakes are something we make, not something that passively happens to us.

Morally dubious suggestions regarding cheating
exhaustDAD · 22/02/2026 17:05

Not engaging this any further. You had your say, I had mine. Have a nice rest of your Sunday @moderate

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moderate · 22/02/2026 17:09

You too, @exhaustDAD.

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