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H has been lying for months, What now?

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Lostthewiseolive · 05/12/2025 22:04

Long story but I have no idea where to turn and what to do next.
H and I have been together years and have 4 DCs. H is autistic which may have an influence on his behaviour here

It started a couple of months ago, my friend saw him at a coffee shop. She mentioned it too me in passing like 'Oh it was nice to bump into him kindof way' but he should have been in work. I asked him about this and he initially said he was on a lunch break. I pointed out this seemed unlikely given his work is 30 mins away from this shop and he passes other shops on the way. He stormed off saying I shouldn't accuse him of lying. Then came back a few hours later saying he was sorry and he was planning my Xmas present. This seemed odd as well as we normally keep gifts casual but can't argue with a present and he seemed genuine and I had no reason not to trust him.

His work xmas do is normally the end of November as they are busy in December. Normally we always go together. I asked him about it and he said there wasn't one this year. Then a couple of weekends ago I'm on social media and I can see pictures of the Xmas party. I asked H about it and he got upset and said that he chose not to go cause he is being bullied by people in work.
I was obviously very upset for him, comforted him, and asked him why he hadn't mentioned it sooner. He said he was worried I'd cause drama or get involved. Which again was odd cause I'm not that type of person. But he said I'd gone into school to sort out some problems our DC had been having. But again I just spoke to the class teacher once it there was no drama. But he insisted and he was so upset I just let it go and comforted him.

Then my friend from the coffee shop story messaged me to say she's sorry to tell me this, but she had been seeing H in a cafe on and off for the last couple of weeks. She took some pictures as proof and they were from various times of day. Again when he should have been working. She was worried that maybe he was meeting someone else but hadn't seen him with anyone. Just sitting by himself.

I confronted him and he broke down saying he had lost his job a few months ago. He was bullied out by some of his colleagues, and he was too embarrassed to tell me. That he thought he get a new job easily but couldn't find one and then he was worried that if I found out he'd been lying for so long I would leave him. That he has been paying the bills from his personal savings so I wouldn't notice a difference.
I was upset he felt he couldn't tell me and that he had lied for so long but I also felt so bad for him. He was so upset.
So I asked him to promise me that he was telling me the whole truth. That I will be upset if he is lying to me again. He swore that this was the whole truth, he was very sorry. So I agreed that we would work through this together as team.

Last night I was doing some shopping and I bumped into H s old manager. He asked how H was getting on and then said how sorry he was for what happened but his hands were tied. I said I was a bit disappointed. H was a loyal worker for him for years, and it was a shame others had spoiled it.
He looked really put out and said that he had done all he could for H and I should be glad they didn't involve the police. I asked what he meant, and he then got all awkward and refused to elaborate.

So I went home and told H I had seen his ld manager and he has told me everything so he had better tell me his side of the story now. So he broke down and told me that actually he had been fired. That he had been caught stealing money from the company. Luckily, it was just a small amount, so they just fired him and didn't involve the police. But he admitted that it was just a test and had he not been caught he would have stolen more. He started buying stuff on his online games he plays and he got addicted to getting just one more power up or one more thing.

He started really cutting into his savings doing i so he started investing in stocks to make some cash to replace what he took. Initially this went really well and he made a fair amount of money that he used to refill his savings and buy his game things. But then he made a mistake. Tried to cover it by using his savings to buy more shares. That didn't work so he tried to invest in various things which also didn't work. So he tried to steal from work basically because he assumed he would get away with it because he is clever.
Then he got caught and lost his job and has been lying about it for months. He can't get a job in his current field because its a close community and everyone local knows what he did. But he struggling to find a job that he 'wants' to work.

I was so upset both by what he has done and all the lying. He has been lying to me for months. So I told him to leave so I can have some space.
He was upset begging me not to make him leave, he is so sorry he can change etc. I told him to go and he eventually went to his mums.

Since then he has been messaging and calling nonstop begging me to forgive him. Saying he will never lie again. He loves me so much. He doesn't know how he will live without me. I replied once telling him to give me space and I won't be replying till I've had time to think. But he keeps going, and now his mum is getting involved messaging me begging me to see it from his side. He is so sorry that I can't keep him away from the kids at this time of year.

I don't know what to do. My heart wants to just let him home but at the same time I know he has betrayed me. He lied to me for months and I can't see how I will trust him again. I feel sick when I think about it, how could he lie to me for so long. He's sorry now but if I hadn't bumped into his manager I'd still be thinking he was a victim of some awful bullying. He promised to my face there was nothing else and I just can't see how we can come back from that.

OP posts:
OverlyFragrant · 05/12/2025 22:09

Gosh what a pickle.

I'm afraid I don't think there's anyway back from this one. He has consistently lied for an extended period to you, the thieving too.

Imisscoffee2021 · 05/12/2025 22:09

You've had to chip chip chip away at hom to get the truth when he had every opportunity to give it. He lied again and again. He stole. Is your relationship otherwise good enough that this deceit can be salvaged?

sprigatito · 05/12/2025 22:10

He and his bloody mother need to shut up and give you some space to think, for a start. Block them if you have to. He doesn’t get to dictate your reaction or the pace of anything.

For me personally, this would definitely be the end. I can’t live with insecurity and a lack of trust, and I couldn’t respect a father who gambled his family’s security for the sake of online nonsense. You need to figure out whether this is a dealbreaker for you, and if not, what the terms of any reconciliation would be. You deserve the time and space to do that thinking though, so don’t let him badger you. His panic and upset right now is his doing, not yours.

Lostthewiseolive · 05/12/2025 22:15

Our relationship is mostly good, we do struggle especially at this time of year as I have all of the mental load in terms of DCs and Christmas. He struggles at this time of year as he finds lots of things overwhelming.
For example he won't go to the DCs Xmas concerts because he find them busy and overwhelming and he won't go shopping because the shops are to busy at this time of year.

But equally he is kind and caring and I know he loves me and the DCs and he will pick up more chores at home at this time of year to make up for all the xmas stuff that I am doing.

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IndigoIsMyFavouriteColour · 05/12/2025 22:16

Tough one OP. I would find it very difficult to trust him again and be wondering what else he had been hiding. It sounds like he has a gaming addiction that I would want to see him engaging with help for. This must be awful for the kids too who I assume don’t know what is going on. I think he needs to stay put at his mothers until you can really think things through and work out what, if anything, he can do to make this right.

Lostthewiseolive · 05/12/2025 22:19

I've told the DCs he is staying at his mums to help her with some jobs. Luckily they haven't been to bothered. Their routine will be mostly the same though as I do school pick ups and drop offs and I will take them to their clubs as normal tomorrow.

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CraftyPlayer · 05/12/2025 22:20

I would never trust a word he said ever again. Sorry op. Hope you’re doing ok.

babyproblems · 05/12/2025 22:24

I think YANBU. It’s huge deception and it’s theft! It sounds a lot to me like he may have something akin to a gambling problem.
Why didn’t he admit it all earlier to you do you think? Just decided it was better you didn’t know? Shame etc? Honestly I think you should go to marriage counseling- together at first - and separately - he clearly has quite a lot of work to do on himself, and in your shoes I’d want to unpick some elements and hear what he really has to say once he delves deeper. I wouldn’t let him back yet apart from for Xmas day maybe for the kids; and I think I’d see what the counseling brings before I decided for good. However - only you know whether you think the trust could be rebuilt. I think probably if I was you I’d never be able to fully trust him about money etc again. He sounds like he has gambling tendancies to be honest, and that alone would be enough for me to say no thanks. Hard place to be in, hugs to you xxx

Halfquarterbag · 05/12/2025 22:25

He will never stop lying and stealing.

They never do.

PashaMinaMio · 05/12/2025 22:26

My gut reaction is to tell him you need at least six months to a year of separation on the premise that he seeks gaming addiction help, lives with his mum and looks really hard for another job, any job, to put back into the coffers and support his kids.

Slowly slowly rebuild your relationship based on trustworthy behaviour and see how it goes.

One way or another, tell his mother to “butt out” it’s not her circus and you and DH want to work it out between you.

BlueberryFlapjack · 05/12/2025 22:27

I think this would be the end for me, but I would want time to think it through. He needs to give you space. Ignore his messages. Maybe tell him you’re less likely to reconcile if he doesn’t stop messaging. The only thing is, if you leave and he’s not working, what will that look like for you financially?

For what it’s worth I have an autistic family member who engages in a similar kind of magical thinking when it comes to money and thinking it will all work out in the end. He’s either rolling in it or massively in debt, from one year to the next. And he doesn’t seem to think the rules of society apply to him. Sounds similar to your H. I don’t think he’ll change.

sickofsixseven · 05/12/2025 22:28

Are you sure thats actually the truth? It sounds like a gambling addiction to me, that he has spun into something else

InBedBy10 · 05/12/2025 22:30
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Sounds like he's developed a gambling addiction. This is the worst kind of addiction because there is only so much drink or drugs someone can take but there is no limit to the amount someone can gamble. Ive heard of people losing their houses. There's probably still more you dont know about OP. If hes stealing from work, things are probably alot worse than hes admitted.

You cant trust him. Hes lied for months and continued to lie over amd over again. Hes only admitted to what you've found out about. I guarantee there's more you dont know. Hes emotionally manipulated you at every turn. Breaking down every time you've confronted him 🙄 Its all bullshit to make you feel sorry for him.

Forget the man you used to know, hes not him anymore. DO NOT share finances with him anymore.

EDIT TO ADD - i dont know how or why that picture is there and i dont know how to remove it.

Noshadelamp · 05/12/2025 22:34

What's happened to the addiction, is he getting help for that?
I think the only way back for him is to be attending therapy for the addiction and lying.

There's just so much of the lying, you have him multiple chances to tell the truth, not to mention he thought it ok to steal from his employer.

MCF86 · 05/12/2025 22:35

Even without the lies, he risked everything for gaming. Sucks for him he lost it all exceot his freedom🤷🏼‍♀️

Similarly, even if it had been for genuine reasons like trying not to lose the house if finances were desperate, I'd never forget the deciet (or the fact he committed a crime).

Put the two together, I'd struggle to even look at him.

Impulsiveas · 05/12/2025 22:37

It's a very hard place to be and not an easy decision to make OP so give yourself as much time as you need and don't let him back in before you're ready to, that's if you ever will.

I'm having similar issues with my DH although his lies to cover his drinking. I lost count of how many times I caught him lying and letting him stay, believing he'll change. The thing is, because I've forgave him once, he just carried on doing what he wanted to do, knowing I'll forgive him if he cries enough.

It's never the same once the trust us broken unfortunately. I wish I left him the first time I found out he was lying but we had a new born and I felt I had to support him to get better.

One mistake I've made was to keep it to myself, couldn't share with any friends or family. Do not make the same mistake and talk to your friends, you need more support than he does.

ButtonMoon777 · 05/12/2025 22:38

theres no way I’d be able to trust him, and I would tell him and his mother to butt out and give you at least until Christmas to think things through, then maybe allow him to see the kids for a couple of hours Christmas Eve

PigeonsandSquirrels · 05/12/2025 22:42

Lie after lie after lie and throughout it all you’re acting like his mummy and him like a naughty little boy. Eurgh… your tone is like you’re talking about your teen son with exasperation and pity and like you’re always looking after him.

tripleginandtonic · 05/12/2025 22:43

ButtonMoon777 · 05/12/2025 22:38

theres no way I’d be able to trust him, and I would tell him and his mother to butt out and give you at least until Christmas to think things through, then maybe allow him to see the kids for a couple of hours Christmas Eve

OP shouldn't be keeping his dc from him as punishment .

Lostthewiseolive · 05/12/2025 22:48

I don't know whether that's the whole truth or not. I don't know if I can trust anything he has said. I feel like everytime I know the truth Im wrong and its just lie after lie.
I think tomorrow night I will tell him to send me all of his banking details so at least I can see whats actually going on for him.
I have access to our joint account that we use to pay bills and our joint savings which he hasn't really touched so that I didn't find out. But I don't have the details for his personal accounts so I want to see exactly what is happening here.

I don't know if he has even thought of therapy. He hasnt mentioned it so I am assuming not. He didn't even really say he had a gambling/gaming problem. He was just describing it as a situation that got out of control.

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ReadingSoManyThreads · 05/12/2025 22:50

I'd be sending a message to both him and his mother stating very firmly "you need to back off and stop harassing me with these constant messages. I asked for space to think and you don't even have the decency, to give me that. Do NOT contact me again. I will contact you once I am ready to enter into a discussion with you."

sprigatito · 05/12/2025 22:53

Lostthewiseolive · 05/12/2025 22:48

I don't know whether that's the whole truth or not. I don't know if I can trust anything he has said. I feel like everytime I know the truth Im wrong and its just lie after lie.
I think tomorrow night I will tell him to send me all of his banking details so at least I can see whats actually going on for him.
I have access to our joint account that we use to pay bills and our joint savings which he hasn't really touched so that I didn't find out. But I don't have the details for his personal accounts so I want to see exactly what is happening here.

I don't know if he has even thought of therapy. He hasnt mentioned it so I am assuming not. He didn't even really say he had a gambling/gaming problem. He was just describing it as a situation that got out of control.

Yeah, it’s the multi-level lying and incremental dripping out of the truth that would finish it for me. I grew up with a compulsive liar and that shifting-sands feeling, where you don’t know whether you can trust reality…it’s no way to live.

Autumngirl5 · 05/12/2025 23:00

I feel so very sorry for you but also I can’t help feeling sorry for him too. It sounds as though he has a gambling addiction and I would keep talking with him on the basis that he gets professional help for this. If he can prove he is getting help this will be beneficial when he applies for jobs in the future. I wish you both good luck.

Namechangetime99 · 05/12/2025 23:05

I come from a family of pathological lying, gaslighting and manipulation.

I then entered into a relationship with one, now ex, we share a child. My child is now behaving like this too towards me.

Physical and emotional distance is absolutely essential for you to see through the FOG ( fear, obligation, guilt) being employed by husband and his bloody mother onto you to make you crack and doubt yourself. These people will employ various tactics under FOG. When one doesn't work, they will try the next one. The fear one is horrible, usually threats which can be subtle or overt.

His mummy needs to fuck off. Is he 5 and he pee pee'd his big boy Spider-Man pants so mummy is coming to the rescue.

If you haven't already, I'd set a boundary with wet nurse mummy if she messages again; ' I am not comfortable discussing this Marjorie. I'm taking space right now so appreciate you respect that'.

With regards the husband - persistent endless lying like this is very damaging to your emotional well being. Does he gaslight the shit out of you? It would fit with this compulsive lying crap.

Please don't talk to him or meet him or have him in your house. You're in the FOG I promise you. You can't see clearly whilst in it. Time and not engaging with him or his mummy is vital. Then you will probably see more than you did about the problems he brings to you.

He might use the children to get to you. Possibly victim guilt trip mode so they then feel sorry for him.

Think how you can enable contact with the kids but be so conscience, they will probably be this vehicle I'm warning you of. They could add to the FOG. So get boundaries clear in your mind regards them. E g make the situation between you and dad something you won't go into detail at all about right now. 💐

bigboykitty · 05/12/2025 23:05

He's fundamentally dishonest. Lying is his default setting. There is nothing to suggest this would ever change. He will only tell you the truth when there is no other option. He's completely untrustworthy. I would end it.