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DS13 wants to go to a different school in the UK

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 10:35

We live in the EU. Dual citizenship and been here six years now.

Current school is fine imo. And my other dcs were/are fine with it.

They all used to go to private school but since divorce, they go to state. It’s an international school. All in English. iGCSEs and A levels.

My youngest says he hates it. Says it’s “shit”.
They have actually been very supportive to him. He’s been deliberately misbehaving because he doesn’t like it there and they have offered him psychological support and have been generally kind and understanding.

He wants to go to school in the U.K. where his father lives. Doesn’t know which one. It’s all a bit vague. His father is delighted at this prospect. I am not.

His father attacked me in front of the DCs nearly three years ago. Verbally abused them all. He hasn’t done it since. He generally pleasant to the DCs as they blanked him for nearly a year after all the violence. It was vile marriage with his rages and mostly verbal abuse more often directed at me but not always. Plus financial abuse but that’s another thread.

I feel like this move would be a huge mistake on ds13’s part. He seems to think schools in U.K. are amazing. I have a feeling maybe stbxh is going to get his dad to pay private fees even though stbxh owes thousands still to a private school here. That would piss me off and also what about the other dcs? Why would ds13 get this special treatment? If he doesn’t go private, then it would be a bog standard comprehensive as I doubt think he could get into grammar at this stage. Plus are they oversubscribed?

My other dcs and relatives think ds13 is mad to even consider living with his dad.

I feel it’s a real kick in the teeth to me too after I have held everything together when stbxh kicked off and created huge dramas and trauma for us all three years ago. I can’t help but take it personally. I am angry.

Stbxh wants a psychological evaluation of ds. A psychologist of his choice. I have refused this as I think if we did that we should both choose. Psychological support has often been offered to ds here but he rejects it. After the assaults, all the DCs had to see a psychologist. One of them had PTSD and another was in a psych unit for ten days.

I don’t know what to do. A court here would not really see the rationale for moving to the U.K. on this vague idea that schools in Yorkshire are amazing in comparison to the school here. Clearly someone has been talking to him about them. But he’s 13, old enough to express an opinion, old enough to deliberately misbehave at school because he hates it.

If I made him stay, he would resent me forever more. He can’t come back either. If he voluntarily leaves the school, he cannot get his place back as it’s so competitive to get a place. I was amazed I got all my DCs in after the debacle caused by my ex.

I feel like a total failure as a parent.

Here he has me, his siblings, a good network of friends, a sports club he likes and plays three times a week. He has freedoms here he would not have in the U.K.

I just don’t know what to do. It doesn’t help that I despise his father. But I try to keep that out.

Ds is cold and unfriendly to me. Maybe that’s teenager but he hangs on every word of his dad. That is painful too. Perhaps I should let him go. Face any consequences. And keep my distance. He clearly is not interested in any real sort of mother son relationship. Actively rejects me when I suggest doing things together.

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RandomMess · 12/11/2025 10:39

I can see and agree with all your concerns.

Surely the first step is to let him go for the long summer holiday, will your ex be able to keep the facade up and how bored will DS be with no friends etc?

Its likely your ex will continue with the toxic drip and staying with you will untenable.

Can you offer a choice of 3 psychologists and ex picks from those?

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 10:41

He’s already been for three weeks at a time in the holidays. Ex is Disney Dad ofc. How long he will sustain that, who knows?

I just won’t be able to rescue him, get him another school place here. I probably won’t be able to afford to visit him either.

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Tiebiter · 12/11/2025 10:45

It doesn't sound as if ds would be safe in the UK with his dad?

I think I would be booking a weekend away just with DS. Put your very patient hat on and try to discuss calmly what it is he doesn't like about school. You need to empathize with him not tell him he can't do stuff, but ultimately explain why it's not possible i.e. I'm really sorry your dad is abusive and it's not your fault and it must be very upsetting that he isn't who he should be, but it's just not safe for you to live with him full time.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 10:46

i have explained all this. He says he doesn’t care and that his dad wouldn’t misbehave again and he wouldn’t even see him that much due to school. 🙄

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Tiebiter · 12/11/2025 10:50

'misbehave' is telling. It suggests he was/is too young to understand what happened. Perhaps you assume he understands. Maybe you need to put it plainly.

You might need to be the bad guy here to do your job of protecting him. He might hate you for it but it's for the best. And you might not be able to ban him from going but you don't have to facilitate any of it.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 10:53

Misbehave is my word. I have put it plainly.

I absolutely will not facilitate any of it. I will not help find a school or anything. I want no part of it because I know it’s an error.

I feel like he’s done and gone already. My ex has done a good number on him. Really targeted him. The others are cynical and sceptical of ex.

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Octavia64 · 12/11/2025 10:53

there’s a number of things probably going on here.

he may not remember or may be minimising how bad it was

he may be having problems at school or more generally that mean he wants and escape route and this looks like one.

i’d try to sit him down and work out what he’s running away from. It’s unlikely he’s running towards his dad, he most likely isn’t happy and thinks this would be a change.

i’d certainly agree to let him go for the long summer holidays - phrase it as a trial period to see how it goes.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 10:58

Wise words. Thank you. I will sit down with him again.

He has already beeen for 3.5 weeks in the summer. Loved it. Doting dad. Took him on all sorts of activities. Which is great for him.

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Araminta1003 · 12/11/2025 10:58

Has your DS had counselling? I would start with that. Sounds more like a case of teen boy identity crisis to me - a boy who misses his dad, trying to figure out what happened, who he can trust or not trust. I would not consent to him going to the UK to be under the influence of a violent and abusive man, under any circumstances. Parents are always good or bad role models.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 11:00

Araminta1003 · 12/11/2025 10:58

Has your DS had counselling? I would start with that. Sounds more like a case of teen boy identity crisis to me - a boy who misses his dad, trying to figure out what happened, who he can trust or not trust. I would not consent to him going to the UK to be under the influence of a violent and abusive man, under any circumstances. Parents are always good or bad role models.

Yes. He has had counselling three years ago. And then again last year with a counsellor at school.

He refuses to have more.

Is behaving slightly better at school now but I still get regular emails from his teachers reporting his low level disruptive behaviour.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 11:01

Correction. He had sessions with psychologist three years ago.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 11:03

Araminta1003 · 12/11/2025 10:58

Has your DS had counselling? I would start with that. Sounds more like a case of teen boy identity crisis to me - a boy who misses his dad, trying to figure out what happened, who he can trust or not trust. I would not consent to him going to the UK to be under the influence of a violent and abusive man, under any circumstances. Parents are always good or bad role models.

I don’t think I can actually stop him from going if he chooses to go.

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RandomMess · 12/11/2025 11:06

3.5 weeks is different to 6/7 weeks when Dad presumably has to go to work?

turkeyboots · 12/11/2025 11:06

Hes in for a sharp shock moving to an English(?) state secondary, as any English language IG/IB school in EU will be very exclusive in comparison. A good English school is likely to be very strict (as is the fashion) and a failing school may be even more so.
Find DS some mental health support, his life has had a huge upheaval and hes hanging on to this mad idea as a way forward. You aren't a bad mum, teenagers are hard work.

Edit to see we've cross posted. But if there is anything else you or school or siblings can think of to tackle, its worth a go.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 11:13

turkeyboots · 12/11/2025 11:06

Hes in for a sharp shock moving to an English(?) state secondary, as any English language IG/IB school in EU will be very exclusive in comparison. A good English school is likely to be very strict (as is the fashion) and a failing school may be even more so.
Find DS some mental health support, his life has had a huge upheaval and hes hanging on to this mad idea as a way forward. You aren't a bad mum, teenagers are hard work.

Edit to see we've cross posted. But if there is anything else you or school or siblings can think of to tackle, its worth a go.

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He has been offered mental health support. He rejects it.

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RandomMess · 12/11/2025 11:17

You could make it a condition of investigating him moving to have family therapy with a psychologist - you, him, the siblings. It will include individual sessions.

Tiebiter · 12/11/2025 11:26

Do you think he's watched 'educating yorkshire' and fell for the warm pastoral stories and missed that they walk round that place like prison guards?

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 11:33

Tiebiter · 12/11/2025 11:26

Do you think he's watched 'educating yorkshire' and fell for the warm pastoral stories and missed that they walk round that place like prison guards?

No. We don’t get U.K. telly.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 11:33

RandomMess · 12/11/2025 11:17

You could make it a condition of investigating him moving to have family therapy with a psychologist - you, him, the siblings. It will include individual sessions.

Could do but I bet he refuses.

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LIZS · 12/11/2025 11:44

Why does ex feel need to involve a psychologist? Broading abroad won’t be a solution if he has mh issues and some schools may refuse. If he is already year 9 places may be limited for entry to gcse years and applications might have already closed. If he is boarding it won’t really matter if he normally only spends a few weeks at a time with ex as he would be there during the week anyway if weekly/termly boarding but distance from home and unrealistic expectations might .

RandomMess · 12/11/2025 11:51

If he refuses then say you feel unable to support him to move.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 11:51

LIZS · 12/11/2025 11:44

Why does ex feel need to involve a psychologist? Broading abroad won’t be a solution if he has mh issues and some schools may refuse. If he is already year 9 places may be limited for entry to gcse years and applications might have already closed. If he is boarding it won’t really matter if he normally only spends a few weeks at a time with ex as he would be there during the week anyway if weekly/termly boarding but distance from home and unrealistic expectations might .

Boarding isn’t in the equation.

Ex wants the psychological assessment. With a psychologist of his choice. To bolster the case for ds moving, I expect. I’m not sure why he’s adamant about this step. He’s threatened me with legal action if I don’t agree to it. Bullying as ever. Ds previously said he didn’t want to be assessed. I told ex this. Ds has since changed his mind about being assessed. No doubt ex has had a chat with him about it.

When ds next visits him in the UK in February, no doubt ex will take him to be assessed anyway and to visit schools without telling me. I can see this is how it’s going to go. Ds will probably just up and leave.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 11:52

RandomMess · 12/11/2025 11:51

If he refuses then say you feel unable to support him to move.

He won’t care. He will just go I think.

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andweallsingalong · 12/11/2025 11:55

RandomMess · 12/11/2025 11:17

You could make it a condition of investigating him moving to have family therapy with a psychologist - you, him, the siblings. It will include individual sessions.

This

I would apologise for dismissing it out of hand and tell him that at 13 I think he deserves to have his opinions listened to. You will still make the decision as resident parent, but want to know more.

Then say because of the abuse you are wary and want proper input into your decision from a professional. That the next step in considering it would be for him to 1. Get proper counselling and psychological support and engage with it for 2 months then review 2. Show he can be trusted to manage his own schooling without negative reports from school and ideally 3. Dad engage with support from a DV perpetrator programme to increase the possibility of him being safe

Stress it's a big decision you can't make alone and that his mental and physical safety comes first. Then hope to hell that with support and recommitting to school he is dissuaded before it's time to make a decision.

Dolphinnoises · 12/11/2025 11:57

He’s 13 and his Dad is violent - and even the limited contact he has with him is a malign influence.

It’s possible the state international school he goes to isn’t as good as a good UK state school. It’s often the case. That said, there’s more to this. Leaving him in the sole care of his Dad would not be responsible. He’s not the first teenage boy to claim he doesn’t need a mother.

Have a key message and stick to it. His dad’s behaviour precludes you ever agreeing to him living there. This is your school. You can make your own decisions for university.

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