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DS13 wants to go to a different school in the UK

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 10:35

We live in the EU. Dual citizenship and been here six years now.

Current school is fine imo. And my other dcs were/are fine with it.

They all used to go to private school but since divorce, they go to state. It’s an international school. All in English. iGCSEs and A levels.

My youngest says he hates it. Says it’s “shit”.
They have actually been very supportive to him. He’s been deliberately misbehaving because he doesn’t like it there and they have offered him psychological support and have been generally kind and understanding.

He wants to go to school in the U.K. where his father lives. Doesn’t know which one. It’s all a bit vague. His father is delighted at this prospect. I am not.

His father attacked me in front of the DCs nearly three years ago. Verbally abused them all. He hasn’t done it since. He generally pleasant to the DCs as they blanked him for nearly a year after all the violence. It was vile marriage with his rages and mostly verbal abuse more often directed at me but not always. Plus financial abuse but that’s another thread.

I feel like this move would be a huge mistake on ds13’s part. He seems to think schools in U.K. are amazing. I have a feeling maybe stbxh is going to get his dad to pay private fees even though stbxh owes thousands still to a private school here. That would piss me off and also what about the other dcs? Why would ds13 get this special treatment? If he doesn’t go private, then it would be a bog standard comprehensive as I doubt think he could get into grammar at this stage. Plus are they oversubscribed?

My other dcs and relatives think ds13 is mad to even consider living with his dad.

I feel it’s a real kick in the teeth to me too after I have held everything together when stbxh kicked off and created huge dramas and trauma for us all three years ago. I can’t help but take it personally. I am angry.

Stbxh wants a psychological evaluation of ds. A psychologist of his choice. I have refused this as I think if we did that we should both choose. Psychological support has often been offered to ds here but he rejects it. After the assaults, all the DCs had to see a psychologist. One of them had PTSD and another was in a psych unit for ten days.

I don’t know what to do. A court here would not really see the rationale for moving to the U.K. on this vague idea that schools in Yorkshire are amazing in comparison to the school here. Clearly someone has been talking to him about them. But he’s 13, old enough to express an opinion, old enough to deliberately misbehave at school because he hates it.

If I made him stay, he would resent me forever more. He can’t come back either. If he voluntarily leaves the school, he cannot get his place back as it’s so competitive to get a place. I was amazed I got all my DCs in after the debacle caused by my ex.

I feel like a total failure as a parent.

Here he has me, his siblings, a good network of friends, a sports club he likes and plays three times a week. He has freedoms here he would not have in the U.K.

I just don’t know what to do. It doesn’t help that I despise his father. But I try to keep that out.

Ds is cold and unfriendly to me. Maybe that’s teenager but he hangs on every word of his dad. That is painful too. Perhaps I should let him go. Face any consequences. And keep my distance. He clearly is not interested in any real sort of mother son relationship. Actively rejects me when I suggest doing things together.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 18:11

Gerwurtztraminer · 12/11/2025 17:43

@Trinko thats probably all true but it's not the OP removing him from what he knows is it, its her Ex. How does OP keep him safe if exH is dripping poison in her DS's ears and DS won't engage with any counselling less alone talk to her?

OP, I'd tell him all the reasons you've given about why you are concerned about a move and repeat ad nauseam that you don't want him to go, will miss him, think its better for him to stay where he is.

BUT, if he goes, I wouldn't stand in the way. A legal battle under the Hague Convention at his age isn't a given and even if you won, he'd hate you.

Instead, tell him you will always love him andif he chooses to go, your door will always be open to return if the move doesn't work out, no recriminations. Yes it will be hard get him back into a local school but if he keeps going like he is sounds like he could get expelled anyway. Do try to get the 'psychological asessment; with a mutually agreed person but if necessary, let it be with whoever Ex chooses, so long as they are suitably qualified and you are permitted to send them some background information about the reason for the split, how Ex behaved. results of the previous psychologist assessment etc. A good professional should be able to see what is really going on. It might even help DS change his mind about going, so worth trying.

As for your depression, if he leaves, get help and get it fast. You are no use to him if you start shutting down and feeling sorry for yourself. You act as if it's inevitable you'll collapse and it isn't, you have a choice to make and must fight the temptation to spiral.

If he goes, you will need to keep contact frequent, light and open. Messages, cards, stories of what his friends & siblings are up to, the weather, whatever. You want him to miss the EU (and you) without being too heavy handed about it. You can also do this during the February break as well as summer, which might make him think a bit more about what he really wants.

Edited

Thanks so much for these wise words.

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Aluna · 12/11/2025 18:39

Trinko · 12/11/2025 16:48

A boarding school in another country for an emotionally unstable and vulnerable child with a history of trauma is not a great idea.

This child needs proactive healing from what he has been exposed to not fed to his abuser and removed from his long established friends, culture, sports, community, siblings etc. He needs more of his emotionally familiar and grounding not for him to be stripped of it.

What he most needs is not to be around an unstable and somewhat violent man 24/7 who creates drama & trauma & briefs against the OP.

If DS really wants to go to the U.K. and leave his mum and siblings - and that’s his choice - then a calm, structured environment with good pastoral care, surrounded by nice kids, would be preferable spending a lot of time with his dad. I don’t think that would be good for him at all. Abusive men are very manipulative.

  • Best case scenario he decides to stay put.
  • Second scenario he’s the U.K. but away from his dad at school.
  • Worst case scenario he lives with his dad.
80s · 12/11/2025 20:18

Clearly someone has been talking to him about them.
His dad, you mean?

Is there anyone in your son's life that he looks up to - sports trainer, specific teacher ... that he might open up to?

Why are you in one country and dad in another? Did the dad go back to the UK? If so, why did he not want to stay near his children?

He clearly is not interested in any real sort of mother son relationship. Actively rejects me when I suggest doing things together.
Rejecting your offers does not automatically mean he's not interested in a relationship with you. It could mean lots of things. Perhaps he wishes he had a better relationship with you but on different terms. Perhaps he thinks you are not interested in a relationship and is doing what you are considering doing: keeping his distance. He's at an age when his hormones are running riot, his brain is developing, his body is changing, he's working out who he is going to be as a man. It's a difficult and emotional time when you're a teenager, and he's in a horrible situation with his parents so far apart, and his dad with a history of abuse. At 13, he's being tossed around like a boat in a storm.

When someone is feeling helpless, they often try to regain control in areas of life that they are able to control. By sulking and behaving badly, he's exerting control: nobody can do anything about it. The same with him refusing to do stuff with you: he's got a minimal amount of control over that, too.

Perhaps you could find a way to help him feel less helpless? Is there any way, for instance, that you could get him to choose a counsellor (e.g. find several and give him a list of names, photos and details)? Put some of the control in his hands?

OhShitImNearly40 · 12/11/2025 22:06

Sounds like he’s craving a father figure to work out how to grow as a man. Some boys need it more than others.
Your ex doesn’t sound like someone to learn this from. My advice would be to make him stay and be pretty honest with him. Let him know his father is a violent woman hater and not a good person. It must be so hard guiding a boy to manhood when you’re just mum but keep instilling your values and he’ll get it. They can be at their worst in these years but it’ll get better when their hormones subside and they see things clearer.

UpDownAllAround1 · 13/11/2025 01:15

I’d let him go and prepare for him
coming back
for
year 9
in your country

cooldarkroom · 13/11/2025 07:07

Can you ask him why he what positives there are to living with his father, the parent who said vile things about him ? Who not only walked out, but entirely abandoned all 3 of his children, & quit the country, who left you with big debt, & washed his hands of his responsibilities.
Has he forgotten what his father said about him ?
Life is hard. Being a teenager is hard, but he is making really childish decisions, & even if he hates you (he doesn’t) life really is better where he is.
also, you can mention, so his Dad deserts him, then He deserts his brothers, He should consider how he is hurting the people who love & have stood by him. Doing what his father did a second time.
Tell him if your family was living in England that the courts would not allow him to live with his father because of his behaviour.
& going to a state school in the UK, in uniform in the rain is a joke compared to an International school, he really is unlikely to love it —fit in— , & his father is not going to be preparing his sports kit & his lunch box is he ?

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 13/11/2025 07:49

So we had a chat last night.

It’s not that ds actuallt wants to live with his dad. It’s just the fixation on U.K. schools. His belief that it would be better education. I don’t know if he’s right.

I have since found out from my dd, who is at university in UK, that ex intends to send ds13 to private school in UK.

However, Ex has €15k of debt here to the last private school the DCs were at. He spent the money earmarked for that. We still don’t know what on but I am left paying off that debt. He is fiscally irresponsible.

I suggested to ds13 that it might be better if he waits until he is 16, after GCSEs and the. We revisit it. He was noncommittal on this.

ex’s verbally abusive behaviour towards ds13 when he was 10 (and recorded by ds13. ) really troubles me. People do not change. I can’t risk it. I think I should do everything I can to dissuade ds from this move.

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Tiebiter · 13/11/2025 09:24

I think you can just tell him the truth that your ex can't afford the school. If he could he'd be able to pay off the debt from the last one.

If ex says he can just explain to ds that it is not true and he will end up having to leave the school soon after he joins due to fees not being paid.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 13/11/2025 09:48

Tiebiter · 13/11/2025 09:24

I think you can just tell him the truth that your ex can't afford the school. If he could he'd be able to pay off the debt from the last one.

If ex says he can just explain to ds that it is not true and he will end up having to leave the school soon after he joins due to fees not being paid.

I did explain that. But ds said the grandfather might pay.

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cooldarkroom · 13/11/2025 09:56

The grandfather hasn’t paid off the former school debt.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 13/11/2025 10:15

cooldarkroom · 13/11/2025 09:56

The grandfather hasn’t paid off the former school debt.

I doubt he even knows about it.

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RandomMess · 13/11/2025 10:58

It seems you do need to tell DS13 that if it were to attend a private school and they require you to sign the contract then you wouldn’t be able to due to the debt you are repaying and presumably no maintenance money from your ex?

Trinko · 13/11/2025 11:36

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 13/11/2025 07:49

So we had a chat last night.

It’s not that ds actuallt wants to live with his dad. It’s just the fixation on U.K. schools. His belief that it would be better education. I don’t know if he’s right.

I have since found out from my dd, who is at university in UK, that ex intends to send ds13 to private school in UK.

However, Ex has €15k of debt here to the last private school the DCs were at. He spent the money earmarked for that. We still don’t know what on but I am left paying off that debt. He is fiscally irresponsible.

I suggested to ds13 that it might be better if he waits until he is 16, after GCSEs and the. We revisit it. He was noncommittal on this.

ex’s verbally abusive behaviour towards ds13 when he was 10 (and recorded by ds13. ) really troubles me. People do not change. I can’t risk it. I think I should do everything I can to dissuade ds from this move.

This is huge progress - well done. It’s more than enough for now.

Little steps, to and fro, communication is open.

It’s important that you know he doesn’t want to live with the DF and the wish to move is for other reasons. And that you didn’t get a total refusal to the idea of going for A levels.

You’ve done great. Get ahead of your DH with legal info and keep your son busy with his peers, sports etc. Keep an eye on the goal - to get him
settled and grounded emotionally - that’s the horse that comes before the educational cart.

Know that your DH is grooming your youngest child to weaponise and punish you.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 13/11/2025 11:50

Well, I know he loves his son. But he is terrible with money. Ruined us really. This move will add to more financial stress.

I am sure there is a bit of glee at the prospect of
getting ds to UK.

One of my other ds’s said if this happens he does not want to see his dad or ds13 again. He feels strongly it is both dangerous and unfair.

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Trinko · 13/11/2025 11:56

Your other ds seems intuitive but I think it’s important for you all to see your youngest son as the (subtle?) child victim of DV and grooming by an abusive, manipulative and volatile man. I know teens can be a PITA but there is a significant vulnerability here and any heavy handed horn-locking by your older son will inadvertently backfire and put your ds at risk of running towards his abuser.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 13/11/2025 13:31

RandomMess · 13/11/2025 10:58

It seems you do need to tell DS13 that if it were to attend a private school and they require you to sign the contract then you wouldn’t be able to due to the debt you are repaying and presumably no maintenance money from your ex?

Yes. I had not thought of that. They’d want both parents to sign. I won’t sign it.

And I will have less money too actually. Less child maintenance and child benefit. So paying off the debts created by stbxh will be even harder

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