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DS13 wants to go to a different school in the UK

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 10:35

We live in the EU. Dual citizenship and been here six years now.

Current school is fine imo. And my other dcs were/are fine with it.

They all used to go to private school but since divorce, they go to state. It’s an international school. All in English. iGCSEs and A levels.

My youngest says he hates it. Says it’s “shit”.
They have actually been very supportive to him. He’s been deliberately misbehaving because he doesn’t like it there and they have offered him psychological support and have been generally kind and understanding.

He wants to go to school in the U.K. where his father lives. Doesn’t know which one. It’s all a bit vague. His father is delighted at this prospect. I am not.

His father attacked me in front of the DCs nearly three years ago. Verbally abused them all. He hasn’t done it since. He generally pleasant to the DCs as they blanked him for nearly a year after all the violence. It was vile marriage with his rages and mostly verbal abuse more often directed at me but not always. Plus financial abuse but that’s another thread.

I feel like this move would be a huge mistake on ds13’s part. He seems to think schools in U.K. are amazing. I have a feeling maybe stbxh is going to get his dad to pay private fees even though stbxh owes thousands still to a private school here. That would piss me off and also what about the other dcs? Why would ds13 get this special treatment? If he doesn’t go private, then it would be a bog standard comprehensive as I doubt think he could get into grammar at this stage. Plus are they oversubscribed?

My other dcs and relatives think ds13 is mad to even consider living with his dad.

I feel it’s a real kick in the teeth to me too after I have held everything together when stbxh kicked off and created huge dramas and trauma for us all three years ago. I can’t help but take it personally. I am angry.

Stbxh wants a psychological evaluation of ds. A psychologist of his choice. I have refused this as I think if we did that we should both choose. Psychological support has often been offered to ds here but he rejects it. After the assaults, all the DCs had to see a psychologist. One of them had PTSD and another was in a psych unit for ten days.

I don’t know what to do. A court here would not really see the rationale for moving to the U.K. on this vague idea that schools in Yorkshire are amazing in comparison to the school here. Clearly someone has been talking to him about them. But he’s 13, old enough to express an opinion, old enough to deliberately misbehave at school because he hates it.

If I made him stay, he would resent me forever more. He can’t come back either. If he voluntarily leaves the school, he cannot get his place back as it’s so competitive to get a place. I was amazed I got all my DCs in after the debacle caused by my ex.

I feel like a total failure as a parent.

Here he has me, his siblings, a good network of friends, a sports club he likes and plays three times a week. He has freedoms here he would not have in the U.K.

I just don’t know what to do. It doesn’t help that I despise his father. But I try to keep that out.

Ds is cold and unfriendly to me. Maybe that’s teenager but he hangs on every word of his dad. That is painful too. Perhaps I should let him go. Face any consequences. And keep my distance. He clearly is not interested in any real sort of mother son relationship. Actively rejects me when I suggest doing things together.

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cakeisallyouneed · 12/11/2025 12:13

This sounds incredibly tough and my heart goes out to you OP. I have a 14yo DS so I know how challenging they can be when they have an opinion on something. They absolutely cannot be told they are wrong and will double down if you do. They are also very black and white. I agree with PP that he has decided that school is the issue and sees this as the fix. Rather than a desperate yearn for his dad or the UK. I would definitely talk to the school about it.
The ideal is that you can change his mind. The only way I have ever done this is by leaving breadcrumbs for him to make his own decision.
Perhaps try to ask him questions so it’s comes across more neutral. E.g. What UK schools has he researched so far?
maybe some distraction, family things he enjoys.
Also if there is a real risk this is all going to happen anyway then maintaining your relationship with him is key.
You may also get some advice from agencies on the risk of violence and whether you can overrule the other parent in cases like this.

LIZS · 12/11/2025 12:47

You could also drill down a bit on what he dislikes about current school. Are you happy with it, is dc1 happy there? It maybe a case of be careful what you wish for.

Icybird7 · 12/11/2025 13:06

Can you offer a compromise
How about he changes school near where you live ?
I ended up going to live with my dad age 14 .
The school had already allocated the places for subjects for .GCSEs and I didn't get a choice ,I ended up doing geography instead of history and sewing..and I missed a whole year of learning the new subjects and had to sit exams after only one year of teaching .
The exam boards were different as well and the books were different for English literature.
It massively effected my results in a negative way .
Plus my dad did basically no parenting ,and didn't buy me anything I needed at all..but hopefully your DH wouldn't be like that .
It was also very difficult slotting in to a new school where everyone but had already made friends
But I went to live with him , because I felt like everything had broken down completely with my mum and step dad .
If he was happy living with you ,he wouldn't want to go so much ...
So I suggest you find out what's making him unhappy,it sounds like it's school issues,rather than home life ..is he being bullied and not telling anyone??

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 13:57

Icybird7 · 12/11/2025 13:06

Can you offer a compromise
How about he changes school near where you live ?
I ended up going to live with my dad age 14 .
The school had already allocated the places for subjects for .GCSEs and I didn't get a choice ,I ended up doing geography instead of history and sewing..and I missed a whole year of learning the new subjects and had to sit exams after only one year of teaching .
The exam boards were different as well and the books were different for English literature.
It massively effected my results in a negative way .
Plus my dad did basically no parenting ,and didn't buy me anything I needed at all..but hopefully your DH wouldn't be like that .
It was also very difficult slotting in to a new school where everyone but had already made friends
But I went to live with him , because I felt like everything had broken down completely with my mum and step dad .
If he was happy living with you ,he wouldn't want to go so much ...
So I suggest you find out what's making him unhappy,it sounds like it's school issues,rather than home life ..is he being bullied and not telling anyone??

No. He wouldn’t agree to moving to another school here.

i tried that one as there are several international schools here. The others all do the IB mind. Not A levels.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 13:57

Perhaps he just can’t stand me and he should go. He adores his father.

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Icybird7 · 12/11/2025 14:05

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 13:57

Perhaps he just can’t stand me and he should go. He adores his father.

Teenagers see their friends as more important than family at this age ..my bet is he doesn't feel he fits in at school ,or with his mates
Is there low level teasing or bullying you know nothing about ?
How does he spend his time out of school ???
Has he got lots of friends to hang out with ?
There must be more to it than this ..he clearly is not settled at school ,for whatever reason
My first port of call would be a meeting at school with him and teachers to try to get to the bottom of it

CloudPop · 12/11/2025 14:06

@SugarPlumpFairyCakeswhat an awful and unbearably distressing situation. My heart goes out to you. I wish I had some advice.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 14:17

Icybird7 · 12/11/2025 14:05

Teenagers see their friends as more important than family at this age ..my bet is he doesn't feel he fits in at school ,or with his mates
Is there low level teasing or bullying you know nothing about ?
How does he spend his time out of school ???
Has he got lots of friends to hang out with ?
There must be more to it than this ..he clearly is not settled at school ,for whatever reason
My first port of call would be a meeting at school with him and teachers to try to get to the bottom of it

He’s got loads of friends.

He does his sport three times per week. He is really engaged with that.

As for bullying, he says not. He is kind of an Alpha kid. Plus his older brother is at the school too and would sort that out.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 14:19

I have had meetings with the school. He just won’t express what the problem is on these meetings.

At the last meeting, last term, the head warned him that he would be asked to leave if he continued that behaviour.

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Icybird7 · 12/11/2025 14:21

Any SEN ?ADHD?
Does he need support with the work at school ..

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 14:21

Would I be a really shit parent to just say to him that he should go. Knowing I can’t bring him back. All that explained to him. The consequences could be bad but he just will not listen. So it would just be tough. Perhaps that is the only way.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 14:22

Icybird7 · 12/11/2025 14:21

Any SEN ?ADHD?
Does he need support with the work at school ..

Nop. He’s really able. Scores highly in all tests. Except French which he doesn’t like.

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Icybird7 · 12/11/2025 14:25

I think ,it will come to the point,you won't be able to stop him .
I expect he just won't come back from a visit to his dad's .
Is he using this " going to his dad's" as a stick to best you with ,or a way to get attention,or a way to punish you because he's angry his parents are not together,and it's easier to take it out on you ..
Personally,if you are sure nothing is wrong at school or with friends,I'd just stop discussing it with him or anyone,I'd just carry on being mum and doing what you do ,don't engage with plans or chat about him leaving with ex or with son.
If he doesn't come back after a visit ,cross that bridge when you get to it ,and know you did your best to give him a stable home

Tiebiter · 12/11/2025 14:27

What if you superficially lean in "yes fine, do a spreadsheet on all the local schools to your dad and work out which one you want to go to"

It might be a really boring task like that might be enough to test whether he's just acting out or really wants it.

Rexinasaurus · 12/11/2025 14:31

Is he currently in Y9 or Y10 (first year of GCSE’s)?

If Y9, is let him go to the uk then he can get settled before GCSEs start.

If Y10, I’m afraid he should stay where he is and can move after GCSEs.

Structure what you do around his schooling needs.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 14:34

Rexinasaurus · 12/11/2025 14:31

Is he currently in Y9 or Y10 (first year of GCSE’s)?

If Y9, is let him go to the uk then he can get settled before GCSEs start.

If Y10, I’m afraid he should stay where he is and can move after GCSEs.

Structure what you do around his schooling needs.

He’s in year 8.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 14:36

Icybird7 · 12/11/2025 14:25

I think ,it will come to the point,you won't be able to stop him .
I expect he just won't come back from a visit to his dad's .
Is he using this " going to his dad's" as a stick to best you with ,or a way to get attention,or a way to punish you because he's angry his parents are not together,and it's easier to take it out on you ..
Personally,if you are sure nothing is wrong at school or with friends,I'd just stop discussing it with him or anyone,I'd just carry on being mum and doing what you do ,don't engage with plans or chat about him leaving with ex or with son.
If he doesn't come back after a visit ,cross that bridge when you get to it ,and know you did your best to give him a stable home

God. I would be heartbroken if he just didn’t come back. And if I just let it be then he would think I didn’t care.

But you are right. I think that is what will happen. He will go over the summer as usual and be enrolled in a new school.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 14:39

I would just be so depressed I he just didn’t come back or even if he left. I have been there before in a depressed state. I would go in on myself and not communicate. Partly because of depression but also partly because of the fear of yet another kick in the teeth from him and my ex.

He doesn’t want anything todo with me really, you see.

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Rexinasaurus · 12/11/2025 14:44

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 14:34

He’s in year 8.

Oh so little still Y8 🥺. He’ll always think that his dad is superman, well until he’s older and reads the social services / school /psychologist notes and realises what his dad was / is like. It sounds like coercive control from his dad, and such a susceptible age :(.
He knows you love him and want him to stay, and always will. Based on all the information - if you’ve done all you can and it sounds like it - I’d say it’s his choice. Start Y9 in the uk.
You know you’ve done what you can, but there’s only so far you can go before everyone’s suffering (you included).

NotAnotherOne1234 · 12/11/2025 14:46

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 14:21

Would I be a really shit parent to just say to him that he should go. Knowing I can’t bring him back. All that explained to him. The consequences could be bad but he just will not listen. So it would just be tough. Perhaps that is the only way.

No you wouldn't. I would let him go (I have had 3 teenage boys).

Your comparisons to his siblings are irrelevant, he's a different child with different needs. Don't underestimate the importance of his father in his life, regardless of what has happened in the past.

In your shoes I would write all the pros and cons down with him & with an open mind. If he still wants to go, asking him to witness the list (teenage minds easily forget what was explained in advance) then let him go. Ultimately, it is his decision.

Learning to make own his decisions & manage his own risk is something he needs to learn to do.

Leave the door open for him to come back.

I suspect he is being bullied at school but doesn't feel safe enough to talk about because there is so much stress already.

cooldarkroom · 12/11/2025 14:47

Please don't give up on him, the chances are he hates it in the UK too, after, new school, new people, new courses & his father will get bored of running him about.
Then he will blame you, it will all be your fault because you didn't stop him going & you are the adult. Tell him as his resident responsible parent, (also the one that was beaten up), who kept it all together when H left etc. You are responsible for his well being & going to the UK is not going to be a good decision, he will have to wait till he is 16, or go to Uni in the UK, when he is mature enough.
Tell him you love him,
(ps, my daughter ran away when she was 14, so I know this pain)

NotAnotherOne1234 · 12/11/2025 14:48

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 14:39

I would just be so depressed I he just didn’t come back or even if he left. I have been there before in a depressed state. I would go in on myself and not communicate. Partly because of depression but also partly because of the fear of yet another kick in the teeth from him and my ex.

He doesn’t want anything todo with me really, you see.

with kindness, he's not responsible for your mental health, he's a child. This decision should be about what's best for him.

Tiebiter · 12/11/2025 14:52

Does he know what coercive control is? I doubt it. So I would start by explaining that this is what his dad was like (you don't need to be anything but factual) and he needs to know so he can make an informed decision of what he's getting himself into and why you are trying to protect him.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 15:10

NotAnotherOne1234 · 12/11/2025 14:48

with kindness, he's not responsible for your mental health, he's a child. This decision should be about what's best for him.

Who said he was responsible? I didn’t.

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SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 12/11/2025 15:11

NotAnotherOne1234 · 12/11/2025 14:46

No you wouldn't. I would let him go (I have had 3 teenage boys).

Your comparisons to his siblings are irrelevant, he's a different child with different needs. Don't underestimate the importance of his father in his life, regardless of what has happened in the past.

In your shoes I would write all the pros and cons down with him & with an open mind. If he still wants to go, asking him to witness the list (teenage minds easily forget what was explained in advance) then let him go. Ultimately, it is his decision.

Learning to make own his decisions & manage his own risk is something he needs to learn to do.

Leave the door open for him to come back.

I suspect he is being bullied at school but doesn't feel safe enough to talk about because there is so much stress already.

Regardless of what has happened in the past? It was pretty nasty.

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