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Slight concerns about my daughter’s relationship

115 replies

MiceAsPie · 01/09/2025 15:37

I’ll preface this by saying that I’m not meddling, I don’t intend to and I’m just starting to think ‘hmmm’ based on a few conversations we’ve had recently.

She’s almost 27 and her partner is 34. They’ve been together just over 2 years. Hes a nice chap and I like him. She is really in love with him, he likewise with her and she’s been really happy to date.

he has 2 children from his first marriage and he lives 10 miles away in a 3 bed house. My daughter has her own 2 bed flat. They decided to start house hunting 7 months ago to buy a place together. They both have good jobs with good salaries. Respective houses put in market and my daughter happened to sell first - they viewed a few places and settled on a nice 4 bed place. Made an offered which was accepted and then just waited for his place to sell - complicated a little as his is a part buy part rent. Burn it an issue as she would have lived in with him if hers happened to complete first

Mortgage all sorted and she’s packed up to go to his when her mortgage advisor flags up a query. To cut a long story short, it transpires he has a CCJ that he knew about but was hoping to not have to tell her. He initially denied it all and then came clean. He’d taken on his 3 bed and just couldn’t manage the bills and had hidden how much he was struggling to her.

she was devastated as she literally had no idea he was living off credit cards and had got in such a muddle. They talked it over, she paid nearly 2k in fees spent to date, she took her flat off the market and lost her buyer of course and he pressed ahead with his sale and he’s about to move in with her now. Perhaps in the next month or so.

they thrashed it all out and she decided to forgive him etc etc. He’s categorically not some secret spender or anything - he had just got in a mess. He is paying her back and all was on track again - and she’s trying to feel positive about losing the house she thought she was getting!

So, all fine. Smoothed over.

Until this week. She’s very busy at work. She works on a specific emergency service and is investigating a huge case right now - one that is taking her to other parts of the country and having to stay away. This is a career defining case for her and she’s flat out but excited. She’s working closely with a male colleague and he’s away with her at the moment. They obvs have separate bedrooms on the hotel they’re booked into but they have dinner together and work alongside each other all day. Her colleague is married - they are genuinely just colleagues working a case together

anyway, she told me her partner had been quiet and off with her for a few days and after a 16 hour day yesterday she rang him from her hotel room to insist he tell her what’s wrong. He cried down the phone , says he feels insecure , weeping that he’s not seen her since last Tuesday but ‘all would be fine when he can hold her again.’

she’s become angry with him now. He cried loads the other month about all the house stuff and now it’s tears again. What on earth does he expect her to do here? She has to work and she’s really in love with him but she’s growing really irritated by these tears and by yet another thing coming up

it all feels a bit red flag to me now and I’m not quite sure what to advise her - his house sales going through and he’s about to move in with her as soon as it does but she was crying last night saying she feels so much pressure now

to reiterate, he is a nice chap and treats her well. No arguments and he does loads of little supportive things for her etc etc but I’m now feeling like I’m not keen on any of this and I think there are significant red flags. Not good with money, lying about it to the point where she thought they were buying a house, and now insecure and jealous about a work colleague.

thoughts?

OP posts:
ARichtGoodDram · 01/09/2025 17:38

MiceAsPie · 01/09/2025 17:30

@ARichtGoodDram yes, you’re right. And that resonates as it puts it succinctly. She certainly has ‘fixed’ the problem.

I don’t have concerns about her ending up in an abusive relationship. I’m not blind to it of course but it doesn’t worry me because it won’t happen.

what I predict will happen is she will suddenly ‘wake up’ and dump him. But right now she feels ‘invested’ and she doesn’t want to admit to herself that something she held in high regard isn’t perfect and not only that, but it’s downright wrong in a lot of ways
It’ll come though , of that I’m sure

That you say so strong that it won't happen does indeed suggest you're blind to the possibility.

Hopefully your prediction is correct

However, she's very invested in this. The more invested she is the harder it is going to be to admit to herself it's been a failure. With him living in her home, and using it as the place to have the children, the practicalities are going to be harder. Having his neediness and emotional diatribe in her ear every single day is going to make it harder for her. All of those things are also going to make it easier for him to keep the pressure on her.

My family would have said all of the things you have. And in fact knowing that people would be incredibly surprised by the fact I'd "allowed" my ex to become abusive was one of the hardest parts of it.

Don't be so sure it won't happen. Keep the possibility that it might in you mind. You're in a far better position to spot it if you've not dismissed it

nc43214321 · 01/09/2025 17:40

Yes if he can easily lie about his debts etc for so long, he can lie about anything. I’ve seen this happen to a friend, lies about debts, sorted all that, then lied about women at work for years also. Get out whilst she can!

beAsensible1 · 01/09/2025 17:47

Trendyname · 01/09/2025 16:34

I may sound a bit mean but what is the appeal of a man with children to women who don’t have any of their own. Your dd is much younger than this man, she can find someone without kids and can have own if they like without added issues.

I have nothing against men with kids but they usually come with a lot of complexities and reading here on mumsnet, childless / childfree women do so much for such men and get so little in return.

honestly at 27. 2 kids, lies about his debt and is clingy/manipulative. Can’t think of anything worse.

Bathingforest · 01/09/2025 17:47

Yeah, grandma seen it all. He has a meal ticket lined, a free nanny, and once they get the 3d baby he's going to miraculously become stay
at home dad and her money will be his money too until he drives her to the ground.

Bathingforest · 01/09/2025 17:49

Some people cannot manage money but apparently reproductive rights and debt everyone does. Bring the imf

Apocketfilledwithposies · 01/09/2025 17:49

In my experience people judge you using their own moral compass. So a cheater will be suspicious you might cheat. A liar will be worried people are lying to them.

He's just showing his own insecurities and weaknesses.

I really really feel your DD shouldn't let him move in to her flat. 😔 I think she should suggest he carries on renting while they get to know each other better. Given he's lied to her to months she clearly doesn't know him and neither should she trust him.

SuperTrooper1111 · 01/09/2025 17:51

Has he been entirely honest with your DD about the current state of his finances, @MiceAsPie? Because that would be my worry. He had to tell her about the CCJ because it came up in the mortgage credit search, but he could be hiding a pile of other debt still.

Pinkbananaa · 01/09/2025 17:52

Hes got more red flags than a village hall. At 26 years old her world is at her feet. She's independent, financially sensible, processing in her career and is with someone who is older divorced with two dc is bad with money wanting to leech off her. He will move in grind her down expect her to take of his dc and get her pregnant. She could be with someone on her own level with the same ambitions. He doesn't like it when she works away and is emotionally manipulative these are the worse kind of men. I know I'd want more for my dd.

Bathingforest · 01/09/2025 18:07

AiryFairyLights · 01/09/2025 16:42

I’d say he’s rattled as her working away with colleagues is AFTER she found out about his debts etc. He sounds very insecure which is probably why he kept secrets about his financials until it all came out - which it was going to!
Your daughter needs to have a frank discussion with him - they’re not teenagers anymore and he needs to stop with the emotional distress/waterworks and learn to communicate his feelings properly.

That's a lost cause. He isn't a decent man. He is liar, cannot manage money and is tied to his ex through large maintenance which is fair enough because he is the father. He doesn't have the guts or money to start afresh from scratch and at this point he's using his sex to find a well to do woman and latch onto her. Really weird how such shit and countless males like him manage this but not the decent stuff

Ooodelally · 01/09/2025 18:20

He’s pathetic and a nasty little liar to boot! I hope she send him on his way rejoicing PDQ!

Imagineallthepuppies · 01/09/2025 18:25

He sounds like my exh. It got much worse.

user2848502016 · 01/09/2025 18:26

Tell her to dump him, she’s young and doing well in her career - she doesn’t need a guy like this holding her back, and she’s young to be saddled with two stepchildren too

SkunkCostFallacy · 01/09/2025 18:31

Red flags galore. She's young, successful and doesn't need a manipulative liar in her life. Suggest she reads the Step-parenting threads.

pilates · 01/09/2025 18:37

I can understand your concerns and think she could do better. I bet he can’t believe his luck having a young successful gf.

SkunkCostFallacy · 01/09/2025 18:39

pilates · 01/09/2025 18:37

I can understand your concerns and think she could do better. I bet he can’t believe his luck having a young successful gf.

With a flat to cocklodge in.

pilates · 01/09/2025 18:41

Agree @SkunkCostFallacy

MuffinsAreJustCakesAtBreakfast · 01/09/2025 18:50

He is dishonest.

that is all. What more does she need to know?

she needs to end it. His dishonesty was not about eating the last ice cream from the freezer. His dishonesty is about something huge.

he needs to go.

MuffinsAreJustCakesAtBreakfast · 01/09/2025 18:54

nc43214321 · 01/09/2025 17:40

Yes if he can easily lie about his debts etc for so long, he can lie about anything. I’ve seen this happen to a friend, lies about debts, sorted all that, then lied about women at work for years also. Get out whilst she can!

My friend discovered that her fiancé she had been with for 8 or so years was living a double life. So easy and natural was lying for him ...!

Lighteningstrikes · 01/09/2025 18:56

He’s rather pathetic isn’t he. A complete and utter turn off on both accounts.

She needs a real man.

Please come back and tell us when she’s dumped him.

LoyalMember · 01/09/2025 18:56

I'm a guy, and I think weepy, emotional guys are such wet wipes. Whether I'm right or wrong or you agree with me or not, your daughter deserves better. She works hard and deserves an emotional and materialistic equal.

Bathingforest · 01/09/2025 19:00

Lighteningstrikes · 01/09/2025 18:56

He’s rather pathetic isn’t he. A complete and utter turn off on both accounts.

She needs a real man.

Please come back and tell us when she’s dumped him.

Yes, I'm saving the thread. Let her dump him

MageQueen · 01/09/2025 20:54

MiceAsPie · 01/09/2025 17:11

@CuppaTea23 so sorry to hear you went through that.

im veering towards thinking her partner is just as wet as a rainy day in the Lake District. Spineless. Needy. Victim mode type. Too scared to tell her he was struggling financially. Too cowardly to tell her about the ccj. Crying because he feels ‘sooo bad’ about the financial cost to her. And now all weepy because he’s feeling all insecure and has hurty feelz.

She is no pushover and she won’t tolerate this for much longer. My advice to her - on reflection and taking into account reading some of these posts which strengthen my original thoughts - is to finish the relationship. I don’t think she needs this millstone round her neck quite frankly

my second piece of advice to her (if she chooses to give him another chance) will be to not pool any finances whatsoever with him, keep her flat for herself and ignore any further crying or insecurity - that way she’s financially protected and always in a strong position for when the inevitable happens and she ditches him

The reality is that men like this almost ALWAYS land up with "strong women". These women are used to having to accommodate other people, and being accused of being too "tough" or "ruthless"...

Dozer · 01/09/2025 21:04

Sounds like DD could have done much better than him from the start and now his mask is slipping.

Imagine his ex might have some interesting things to say about him.

’He’s a great dad’: is he? What proportion of the time does he have his DC? Paying maintenance and for petrol for contact time with his DC is the very bare minimum.

If she decides to continue the relationship DD should minimise contact with his DC, for the DCs’ sake, given these serious problems with their father.

Dozer · 01/09/2025 21:05

The weeping is crocodile tears.

MrsLizzieDarcy · 01/09/2025 21:24

Your poor DD sounds like she's found herself a dud here, OP. And I'd be strongly advising her to stop any living together under her roof before she's dragged down by him.