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Help me process what to do about this friendship

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SquidProCrow · 20/08/2025 09:19

I've got an old friend who I've known for 25+ years. I adore her: we really "get" each other in a way which is truly rare. We have similar ideas about the world, similar sense of humour, like many of the same things, have a long history together and have great fun together. Our DDs get on well, we've been on holiday together. She's part of my life.

She's always been flaky about making arrangements and meeting up. Since I've known her, she's prone to never confirming plans, changing plans at the last minute, taking weeks to respond to invitations, hedging her bets and dropping things for nebulous reasons and it often turns out she's chosen to do something else instead. I've come close to ending the friendship over this many times and have landed on a kind of stasis where I've accepted that this is "her" and that despite this she's still a loving and kind friend but this is the price of doing business. Because on a risk/reward benefit the pleasure of her company has outweighed the frustration of this behaviour.

But she's just done this again (for the second time this year) and I'm really at the end of my rope: a group of us, she, me and two other local friends, had planned to do a dinner this coming weekend and one of us messaged the group to check we were still all OK. This has been in the diary since early June and we've talked several times about what we plan to do.

Flaky friend replies in an embarrassed fashion to say she "might" be going camping instead but doesn't yet know. I messaged back to ask when she was going to know when she was going camping and that we could potentially move the dinner and she replied, sheepishly, that she's actually already decided she is going camping. So, not only has she dropped us for a better offer (again) but she doesn't have the balls to be honest about this and pretends she hasn't made up her mind, so presumably was expecting this to just quietly go away and not be asked again so she could go off camping.

Firstly I think its beyond rude, when you've got an arrangement in the diary with friends, to drop it for a better offer without explanation and I hate the fact that she does this so regularly. I can't see any excuses for this. Maybe I'm being really hardline here but I think its shit behaviour. If you commit to something with good friends you do it unless there's something genuinely unavoidable or its an offer you literally can't refuse. You don't just change your mind because someone is doing something more fun around the corner and hope you won't get called on it.

Secondly, if for whatever reason you have decided you have a better offer (for example if someone has offered you two weeks free in the Caribbean) you should be direct and honest about it, rather than dancing about the issue and expecting other people to wait while you pluck up the courage to tell them you actually have had a better offer. The sheepishness and dishonesty of saying she "might" be going camping but hadn't made up her mind annoyed me almost more than the fact she'd done it.

I'm really agonising about this. I don't want to be treated like an option rather than a priority by an old friend and increasingly this friendship feels like this. But I'm in my 50s and genuinely good friends are rarer than hens' teeth. I'm not going to call her out on it because I've done it before and it won't change, and I'm not going to block or flounce because its undignified. But I don't feel I can accept this stuff any more.

Curious as to whether this would be the last straw for others? Should I just let this friendship drift? Should I try to convey to her how much she's pissed me off? Or should I accept this as the terms of the friendship.

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SquidProCrow · 20/08/2025 14:19

BuildingAshes · 20/08/2025 14:15

As hard as it to process, she is not your close friend. Or otherwise put, to you, you have a fantastic, close relationship but it's not reciprocal. There is really no point in explaining how hurt you are by her flakiness - she already knows, but doesn't care. Or not enough to change her behaviour. The friendship works for her - she can pick up and drop in whenever she fancies, choose a ' better offer' if it suits, suffers no consequences for her actions and has all the rewards of a supportive, caring friendship for when she needs it. You're really going to have to shift your mindset of you want to keep her in your life; keep it casual and relegate to acquaintance, let it slide off you when she commits another no show and reduce all expectations of friendship. The question is: do you want to? As is stands now, she's showing you that you ARE just an option, so are you happy with not being her priority? Or would you be more content long term in investing in other friendships and using your energy where it would be better appreciated? It hurts, I get it and I'm going through similar at the moment but in my case, for complicated reasons she has to remain in my life, but if I had the choice I'd get rid.

You have put this beautifully and I think you're right. She matters more to me than I do to her. I need to come to terms with this.

It's partly an age thing: when you're young, single and childless you can sustain a lot more of these convenience friendships as part of your social network because its easy to pick people up and put them down and reschedule if someone drops you.

Nowadays, I have a kid at secondary school and a highly demanding job. Until recently I was a single parent. If I want to see friends its a serious bit of project management and a time investment and I don't have space for people who can't respect this.

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SapphOhNo · 20/08/2025 14:21

She's showing you repeatedly she doesn't value you as much as she values other people.

I think you've really misread what you and the friendship means to her.

You should respond accordingly. Focus your time elsewhere.

paradisecircus · 20/08/2025 14:23

Your first paragraph lists lots of things you like ("adore" in fact) about her so I don't think dropping her as a mate is necessarily the way forward. I'd probably stop trying to make advance arrangements with her though, particularly when meeting as a group as with your dinner.

noidea69 · 20/08/2025 14:27

You need to just proceed with plans without her, dont offer to rearrange etc, just message back saying "hope you can join next time" and then when dinner comes stick a few pics of it on the group chat.

noidea69 · 20/08/2025 14:29

PanicOnTheStreets · 20/08/2025 10:52

She sounds anxious and non-committal. Please don't drop her just because she's struggling a bit. She could also be time poor or prefer/need to prioritise others closer to her generally, friends tend to come last. Chill. Recognise her pattern and do things accordingly.

so the OP has to make loads of changes to accommodate the friend, fuck that. Why doesnt the friend recognise the OP's pattern and do things accordingly ?

SquidProCrow · 20/08/2025 14:33

@GrumpyExpat

Honestly the more you write about her — her reactions to your previous attempts to tell her how you feel, to this about wanting ‘interesting’ friends — well she just sounds like an unbearable smug snob. Why do you so desperately want to preserve a friendship with someone who seems to not value your feelings or find you interesting enough to prioritise? If a guy was doing this to a woman he was dating, keeping her on the hook, to fill in gaps in his calendar when he had nothing better to do, everyone would tell her to dump him. But you almost seem reluctant, because she’s … charming??

There's some truth to this but its a bit overstated. She's very driven by wanting "interesting" people around her. She's not a snob in the traditional sense of the word, she isn't interested in money or status, but she is drawn to people who are "different". She does lose interest in people quite quickly if she has to make much effort with the upkeep and she's very "tribal": she wants to be in this crowd or that crowd and doesn't make much effort with people outside the tent. She's also very kind, intelligent and generous and fund to be around.

As for the reasons for being reluctant: it's more complex than that. A big part of the reason is that she is very close to my daughter and was very involved in my daughter's life when she was little and I was a single parent. My daughter thinks of her as an unofficial aunt. She's also a link to an older friend network which I have mostly lost touch with so cutting her off would feel like letting go of a part of my history. It would be a big personal wrench to lose her completely.

But this last thing has really felt like an insult. It would have been so easy for her to have dealt with it like a grown-up, knowing that I would upset by this. She could have called me and said: "Look I know you'll be annoyed but I need to do this, I really want to see you, let's do it another time" The fact that she's taken the easy, sneaky way out of it and lied to us in a way she knows perfectly well we will recognise as a lie, is a real slap in the face.

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Dabberlocks · 20/08/2025 14:41

SquidProCrow · 20/08/2025 12:14

For those who have asked, yes I am going ahead with the other two anyway.

Are your other two friends as annoyed with her behaviour as you are?

BuildingAshes · 20/08/2025 14:45

SquidProCrow · 20/08/2025 14:19

You have put this beautifully and I think you're right. She matters more to me than I do to her. I need to come to terms with this.

It's partly an age thing: when you're young, single and childless you can sustain a lot more of these convenience friendships as part of your social network because its easy to pick people up and put them down and reschedule if someone drops you.

Nowadays, I have a kid at secondary school and a highly demanding job. Until recently I was a single parent. If I want to see friends its a serious bit of project management and a time investment and I don't have space for people who can't respect this.

Then I think you know what you have to do. It's not just the physical energy expended in making/ re making plans, booking events, clearing calendars, juggling your limited time for socialising with care/ work responsibilities, co coordinating diaries with other people in the group...It's the mental and emotional toll her behaviour inflicts on your inner peace every single time she flakes, the anxiety of ' will she/won't she attend ', the feelings of rejection, the questioning of your own sense of worth when treated like a doormat. And the knowledge that she's NOT wrapping herself in similar knots worrying about your feelings every time she lets you down! It's truly horrible when the scales fall from your eyes over people we love

SquidProCrow · 20/08/2025 14:46

Dabberlocks · 20/08/2025 14:41

Are your other two friends as annoyed with her behaviour as you are?

I've not spoken to them directly about this particular behaviour.

One (friend 2) is also a very old friend of flaky friend and I know she's familiar with this syndrome and finds it frustrating. The other (friend 3) is a friend of friend 2 who she has made more recently and who both flaky friend and I know less well (but like a lot). I doubt friend 3 knows her well enough to have a strong opinion on it.

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SquidProCrow · 20/08/2025 14:49

@BuildingAshes

Then I think you know what you have to do. It's not just the physical energy expended in making/ re making plans, booking events, clearing calendars, juggling your limited time for socialising with care/ work responsibilities, co coordinating diaries with other people in the group...It's the mental and emotional toll her behaviour inflicts on your inner peace every single time she flakes, the anxiety of ' will she/won't she attend ', the feelings of rejection, the questioning of your own sense of worth when treated like a doormat. And the knowledge that she's NOT wrapping herself in similar knots worrying about your feelings every time she lets you down! It's truly horrible when the scales fall from your eyes over people we love

You are completely right. Thank you.

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Absolutelydonewithit · 20/08/2025 14:59

Yeah, I have a friend like this. She is now the one to make the plans (I have stopped pursuing) as I noticed the flakiness was as a result of something better coming up. Guess what? There’s still better things that come up and she’ll still cancel or try and reschedule even though she initiated the meet-up. So I am weighing up how I go forward as I do still really enjoy her company. I am currently only meeting up with her if I have nothing better to do. Sounds not very nice doesn’t it? But I feel quite hurt and I can’t prioritise her any longer. I do know it’s not just me though as I noticed early on in our friendship that she dropped others for me, when I was shiny and new and I can remember wondering if her older friends were ok with it.

spotddog · 20/08/2025 15:11

What I do in situations like this is to
go ahead with meal as planned. If she asks to reschedule you can all make your availability uncertain. Make future plans with friends for a date that that suits you. She’ll soon learn she’s not as important to the group as she thinks. It’s very disrespectful behaviour.

FamBae · 20/08/2025 15:30

Seeing as she has form for this and it's not a one off I wouldn't have offered to reschedule the dinner, I think it's offensive to your other friends, it comes across as if you feel she's needed to make the evening a success.
I would wait for her to get in touch with planning something for just the two of you and I would make it quite clear on accepting the invitation that if she bales out again (short of a major family crisis), you won't be planning on meeting up with her anytime soon. She doesn't come across as particularly loving and kind as you have described her just thoughtless and dishonest.
Maybe she'll be posting on MN wondering why her friends are doing things without inviting her.

GAJLY · 20/08/2025 15:43

I'd demote her to a friend I text happy birthday/Christmas to. I wouldn't ask her to another event again, because she's not interested and she far too flakey. Make a new group chat without her for events from now on. You've already discussed her flakiness in the past and clearly it didn't work! I wouldn't bother telling her again!

SquidProCrow · 20/08/2025 15:46

FamBae · 20/08/2025 15:30

Seeing as she has form for this and it's not a one off I wouldn't have offered to reschedule the dinner, I think it's offensive to your other friends, it comes across as if you feel she's needed to make the evening a success.
I would wait for her to get in touch with planning something for just the two of you and I would make it quite clear on accepting the invitation that if she bales out again (short of a major family crisis), you won't be planning on meeting up with her anytime soon. She doesn't come across as particularly loving and kind as you have described her just thoughtless and dishonest.
Maybe she'll be posting on MN wondering why her friends are doing things without inviting her.

I've been through this cycle with her before: she bails on something, it either gets cancelled or postponed, she calls me or texts me and says she'd love to see me and something gets arranged one on one. I have normally done this to keep the peace and I've previously gently said when I see her she needs to stop doing this. She accepts this but always with some excuse. And things get reset and then it happens again.

This is now going ahead with me and the two other girls on Saturday. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she decides to join at the last minute but who knows. We'll see what happens after this but I'm no longer contacting her proactively and if she asks me to meet up I'll going to say I'd love to but I don't know if I can rely on you to actually follow through so no thanks.

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tiddletiddleboomboom · 20/08/2025 16:05

It would actually be interesting to see if her behaviour changes once you guys stop cancelling or postponing events she has flaked on and just carry on and have fun without her. If she suddenly becomes more available then it would show that she has FOMO and she is doing this deliberately now because she knows she can get away with it.

keepingonrunning · 20/08/2025 16:50

I am getting Amanda from Motherland vibes.

SquidProCrow · 20/08/2025 16:51

keepingonrunning · 20/08/2025 16:50

I am getting Amanda from Motherland vibes.

She's nothing like that. She's far less "alpha" than that.

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SquidProCrow · 20/08/2025 16:52

tiddletiddleboomboom · 20/08/2025 16:05

It would actually be interesting to see if her behaviour changes once you guys stop cancelling or postponing events she has flaked on and just carry on and have fun without her. If she suddenly becomes more available then it would show that she has FOMO and she is doing this deliberately now because she knows she can get away with it.

Yeah: that's going to be tricky because one of the girls I'm meeting this weekend goes back even further with her than I do (30+ years). This other friend is loyal and discreet so while I know she likes me a lot, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't prioritise my friendship over hers with Flaky.

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LimoncelloSpritzplease · 20/08/2025 16:55

She is showing you how she prioritises your friendship and presence believe her. Let her crack on but all still go out without her.

At best she is dippy and has a very big circle of friends always has lots of offers and struggles to decide who or what to pick, prioritise or what to drop.

At worst she will only grace you with her presence occasionally as long as she doesn’t have a better offer on the table.

Radiowaawaa · 20/08/2025 17:09

I've been through this cycle with her before: she bails on something, it either gets cancelled or postponed, she calls me or texts me and says she'd love to see me and something gets arranged one on one

This and the fact that she was around a lot when you were a single parent makes me wonder if it’s the seeing you in a group setting that puts her off. Does she want you to herself? Maybe she likes mixing with groups but doesn’t see your relationship in that way?

Linenpickle · 20/08/2025 17:24

Dont engage with her again and go with the other two people.

Newgirls · 20/08/2025 17:26

I’m in my 50s and you’re not alone. I know who’s reliable, who to book tickets with, who will ditch for a better offer. I match their energy and commitment. That’s all we can do - choose how we respond to friends. Def don’t read the riot act - she won’t change and better for you to have a lightweight occasional friend than lose touch altogether

BoredZelda · 20/08/2025 20:30

Cancelling a dinner to go on a camping trip doesn’t mean you aren’t a priority, it means she’d rather go camping than eat out. There could be a dozen reasons for that. Having a high stress job, perhaps this seemed like something she needed to do. Twice in 8 months isn’t exactly a regular thing.

I would never expect a friend to change who they were for me. If they are generally a decent friend but had the tendency to flake out sometimes, I’d manage my expectations. Do you want to go to dinner with these other people? If you were only going if she was there, what does that say about your attitude towards them? If it’s no problem to have dinner with them, then just keep on with your plans. Unless it was to celebrate something like a birthday, I wouldn’t be bothered if one person didn’t show. Equally, if I had booked a dinner out, and had the chance to go on a trip I’d enjoy, I wouldn’t see dinner out as totally immovable if there were a whole group going. They could just go without me. Thankfully my friends don’t see hanging out with each other as some kind of royal command we must all turn up to.

BoredZelda · 20/08/2025 20:32

Radiowaawaa · 20/08/2025 17:09

I've been through this cycle with her before: she bails on something, it either gets cancelled or postponed, she calls me or texts me and says she'd love to see me and something gets arranged one on one

This and the fact that she was around a lot when you were a single parent makes me wonder if it’s the seeing you in a group setting that puts her off. Does she want you to herself? Maybe she likes mixing with groups but doesn’t see your relationship in that way?

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Or maybe she isn’t a fan of being out in a group. My daughter prefers to see her friends one on one. After an hour with them as a group, she just can’t cope. It isn’t about wanting anyone all to herself, it’s just she finds group socialisation more difficult.

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