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Has anyone successfully recovered from infidelity with couple’s therapy?

612 replies

TreadingTrepidatious · 17/07/2025 01:48

Infidelity was discovered within my marriage last night, and we have an appointment with a marriage counselor on the 24th (which feels like forever away!). Just wondering if it’s helped anyone to get their marriage back to a good place, and if you’d be willing to talk about the process. Thanks in advance

OP posts:
PinkyFlamingo · 19/08/2025 09:59

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 17/07/2025 21:27

I've intentionally not read the comments here as I can find them triggering but as I know mn can be very black and white I thought my experience might be valuable.
My DH had an affair just over a year ago. It was hands down the worst experience of my life.
But we are doing well now. Our previous marriage is gone, and it did me no good to try and pick up the pieces and try and claw back the life I had. But I'm glad I stayed, the new relationship we are building is making me happy.
We didn't start couples counselling until a few months ago, but I was already in individual therapy and that was valuable.
We read a lot - dr kathy nickerson is brilliant if you intend to repair, and Esther perrell.
Somewhere in the middle of the early days I decided I needed to take control of my life and asked him to leave. I'm so glad I did that. I didn't feel strong at the time but I know I was. I started to think for the first time in years about what I wanted. That had the dual effect of giving his head a wobble. I was fortunate enough to see evidence of how that played out with his ap. She thought him leaving was the start of their new relationship but it did the opposite and he shut her out. He fully ended things with her and asked to come home a few days later, I said not yet but we could date. Meanwhile she was declaring love and pushing him to be with her. He responded that he loved me - thank god I got to see that message thanks to her husband sending me the whole thread.
Since then he's moved home. He has been patient and loving and answered all my questions. He's respected my boundaries and continues to take full accountability and work on himself. Couples counselling wouldn't have helped us early on - they have to work either the betrayer to reduce their shame in order to develop more open communication and that stung a bit, even months later.
It is very very hard work to recover and it's hard to give advice without knowing which side you're on . It can be done but it'll never be the same

You're a complete mug. And yes I've been there.

BustyLaRoux · 19/08/2025 10:02

Manova14 · 19/08/2025 05:47

That act dropped when he went away and made a flowchart to mansplain why he had to cheat.

Yes exactly. OP has pretended to be the wife to try and garner more sympathy. But has gone into detailed explanations about how to define the colour of the sky and made a bloody flowchart. He’s also explained how the other parent (the pretend “husband”) has taken the kids on holiday with aunts and grandmother which strongly suggests to me that this is the mum taking the kids to somewhere like centreparcs with her sisters and mum. As if a man would go away with a bunch of female relatives and the kids while the mum refuses to go away with their family and stays home to “make the house orderly”. Every post of OP’s makes it more and more plain that they are the cheating husband trying to explain away their reasons for cheating by saying their need for sex, for connection, to feel desired was not met so he cheated. Then he’s tried to pretend he is the wife and that they’re working through and the “husband” has realised he needs to make the “wife” feel more desired to prevent more cheating from happening and so everything is working out nicely, so much so the “husband” has taken the kids off on holiday and given “wifey” some much needed alone time to reset!
Not fooling anyone OP!

BustyLaRoux · 19/08/2025 10:06

nospotleft · 19/08/2025 09:01

The betrayer said “Going to this place with the children is incredibly stressful to me. I do not want to go.” They betrayed heard that, decided to schedule the holiday, and took the children, without the betrayer, anyway

You absolutely fool. You have cheated. You need to show you recognise the enormous hurt you have caused and that you will make sacrifices and put your partner's needs above your own to help to start the healing. Going on that holiday would have been an easy win for you in that regard.
Instead you showed that you are still a whiny selfish man who will always put yourself first and never your partner.

All your posts show a fundamental failure to understand how human relationships work. You think you can 'logic' your way into making people see that you are right and their lifetime of experience, knowledge and feelings are wrong. You remind me very much of my autistic Ex. You don't understand people and you can't see when you are getting it wrong with people. You just keep arguing instead of repairing. He would have have thought that doing some cleaning meant I should no longer be upset with him too.

100% this.

BarMonaco · 19/08/2025 10:19

BustyLaRoux · 19/08/2025 10:02

Yes exactly. OP has pretended to be the wife to try and garner more sympathy. But has gone into detailed explanations about how to define the colour of the sky and made a bloody flowchart. He’s also explained how the other parent (the pretend “husband”) has taken the kids on holiday with aunts and grandmother which strongly suggests to me that this is the mum taking the kids to somewhere like centreparcs with her sisters and mum. As if a man would go away with a bunch of female relatives and the kids while the mum refuses to go away with their family and stays home to “make the house orderly”. Every post of OP’s makes it more and more plain that they are the cheating husband trying to explain away their reasons for cheating by saying their need for sex, for connection, to feel desired was not met so he cheated. Then he’s tried to pretend he is the wife and that they’re working through and the “husband” has realised he needs to make the “wife” feel more desired to prevent more cheating from happening and so everything is working out nicely, so much so the “husband” has taken the kids off on holiday and given “wifey” some much needed alone time to reset!
Not fooling anyone OP!

Yes and if you look at OP's second post on this thread, someone would never respond that way to a poster who wrote

"I’m guessing you cheated from the way you’ve worded this and are now hoping relationship counselling will solve all your problems," unless they were the cheater. They'd defend themselves

Jollyhockeystickss · 19/08/2025 10:22

You are the cheater and you think thats ok as it was your partners fault, you want to know if couples counselling will be ok for him to be ok with the fact you had sex with someone else, no he will not be ok men are very black and white and hes likely once over the shock to start looking to do the same....you sound quite a charmer and entitled....why dont you just seperate, new man is obviously married too, his poor wife

FlayOtters · 19/08/2025 10:24

TreadingTrepidatious · 18/08/2025 19:33

I made a flow chart

oh fuck right off.

FlayOtters · 19/08/2025 10:30

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 01:58

How are you supposed to imagine the horror and terror of war until you’ve been through it? Sure, you can read accounts of it, and watch documentaries, or whatever. But you can’t being to imagine what it’s actually like until you’ve experienced it. If the most violent, chaotic thing you’ve ever experienced is like, two children fighting on the playground of an expensive, private preparatory school, can you understand what it’s like to be surrounded by explosions, people stabbing and shooting and blowing each other up, blood and limbs and dirt flying everywhere, abject terror and confusion…? Maybe you think you can imagine it. But you can’t, really, because you have no point of comparison. You might even go around thinking, yeah, war is terrible. But it’s a necessary, and every citizen should be willing to stand up and defend their country. This generation needs to stop being so soft and man up like their grandparents did (And there are people who think that.)

But, let’s say you meet a veteran who’s missing some limbs, and they suffer from severe PTSD episodes, and you see in their face all the depth of their emotions as they relive their time in combat, and you observe first-hand exactly how utterly, mentally messed up they are as a result of having experienced war… You still haven’t experienced war, but that’s a lot more real, a lot more tangible, than the media accounts of war you’ve consumed. Would you be able to send that person back to the battlefield? Would you be as swift to dispatch a generation of teenagers to that fate?

If you’ve never had a “broken heart” and you hear someone singing about how a cheater broke theirs on the radio, does that mean anything to you? If Sarah’s going around campus telling everyone who will listen that Ben’s a dirty, cheating SOB because she caught him watching porn, are you not more likely to think that someone crying their eyes out about their boyfriend “cheating” on them is being a bit dramatic? If you’re not at all concerned about your partner cheating on you, and you have no intention on cheating on them, how much attention are you even paying to media accounts of cheating?

Why is it so unfathomable to you that someone would be unable to put themselves “in another person’s shoes” when it comes to this traumatic thing with which they have no experience?

ok, I'll bite. I've never murdered someone. I've never known anyone who's been murdered. So by your absolutely fucking psychopathic logic, I'm not really sure how much it would hurt the person I'm considering stabbing to death or really what the impact will be on their family. I also don't think it will bother me (you) that much because 'I've' clearly never had an empathetic thought in my life. So.... I might just do it and see? I'm sure there's a nice counsellor in HMP who can help me through it afterwards if it turns out to be a bit guilt-inducing... and the family of the person I'm thinking about killing have always seemed quite resilient so pretty sure they could handle it. FML.

Venalopolos · 19/08/2025 10:31

I’m not a cheater but I am of OP’s view people can make stupid mistakes that hurt the people they love without the intention being to hurt that person.

However, in order to get past it I think the cheater has to willingly admit to what they’ve done and be willing to suffer the consequences. I don’t think a relationship can get past “infidelity being discovered” as that’s not a mistake or a lapse in judgement, that’s a concerted effort to hide things from your partner and I don’t think you can ever rebuild trust on that. I could personally rebuild trust if my husband came home and admitted he’d cheated that night, as I could trust him to tell me if it happened again (not that I’d stay if it happened twice), but at least I wouldn’t be constantly worried about what he’s hiding from me at any given moment.

PinkyFlamingo · 19/08/2025 10:36

Venalopolos
I’m not a cheater but I am of OP’s view people can make stupid mistakes that hurt the people they love without the intention being to hurt that person.

Cheating isnt a "stupid mistake" though it's a choice. No sane person could possibly think it wouldnt hurt their partner if their partner found out.

ConsumedByCake · 19/08/2025 10:37

Diarygirlqueen · 18/08/2025 18:33

What a load of waffle.

Having waded my way through the OP’s posts, my only thought is PARKLIFE

sesquipedalian · 19/08/2025 10:44

“I believe it is a married person’s obligation to ensure one’s spouse’s needs are met to the best of their ability. A good partner will not only meet more basic needs, like safety and security, but also the higher needs, like feeling desired and connected to the other.”

OK - and that goes both ways. I don’t believe there is anywhere in any marriage service where it says, “If you don’t feel completely desired by and connected to your partner, feel free to seek solace elsewhere.” Your original question is: can a relationship recover from infidelity? And the answer is: only if the guilty party is truly contrite and the other party is prepared to forgive and, eventually, forget. Endless justification over why what happened happened is not moving on, or indeed making any sort of positive move towards reconciliation. Remember, the person who has been betrayed is now hurt and needing to be won back - so in fact, the guilty party needs to put in 75% of the spadework. Otherwise, you might as well cut to the chase and consult a divorce lawyer.

Ladamesansmerci · 19/08/2025 10:48

MN is black and white on it, but I think some people can recover. I think it takes a lot of commitment from both parties, and I also think that if you are staying with someone who has cheated, you need to be fully willing to leave it in the past after you have processed your feelings, and not use it as ammo in all future arguements, as that isn't healthy. I think most people aren't capable of that, but a few are.

I also think it's very circumstancial. In an otherwise very happy marriage, most people would struggle to forgive a cheating spouse. In a marriage where someone is toxic, there's lots of stonewalling, etc, it's a bit easier to understand why someone has cheated, if both people are willing to work on what's gone wrong.

sandyhappypeople · 19/08/2025 10:59

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/07/2025 20:00

The person who cheated doesn’t get to say “It’s fine,” because it’s not fine, and it’s not for them to decide.

But just the same as only the betrayed partner can say whether or not it’s fine, or whether they want to remain in a relationship with the cheater, only the cheater can say how s/he feels internally. If the cheater says they still love the betrayed partner, the betrayed partner can’t argue that the cheater doesn’t actually feel that way. Only that the betrayed partner doesn’t feel loved, or that s/he doesn’t accept this kind of behavior from partners.

If I say to you, “Purple is my favorite colour,” it would be insane to say “No, you don’t feel that way. Purple is not your favorite colour; if it was you would wear purple clothing every day,” because you are not the arbiter of what having a favorite colour means, nor are you privy to anyone else’s internal feelings.

If the cheater says they still love the betrayed partner, the betrayed partner can’t argue that the cheater doesn’t actually feel that way.

Of course they can!! One of the foundations of infidelity is deception, the cheater has gone to great lengths to deceive their partner for their own selfish wants and needs, when caught out, how could the betrayed possible know that the 'love' the betrayer is proclaiming to still feel isn't just fear of separating, or fear of being the bad person, or fear of losing everything.. they will say and do anything to get what they want, it really doesn't mean it is true!

If you are the betrayed one OP, you can VERY MUCH ARGUE that your husband doesn't love you like he says he does, I am in the camp that if you truly loved someone you would never hurt them in such a way and expect them to forgive you.

If you are the betrayer, don't peddle the bullshit that you still love your partner like you always have because you clearly don't.

You have to TRUST that the betrayer is being honest with their feelings, and the problem with infidelity is the trust is removed from the relationship.. the betrayer needs to accept that the betrayed may not believe them anymore and accept it.

Highlighta · 19/08/2025 10:59

FlayOtters · 19/08/2025 10:24

oh fuck right off.

Can you imagine being married to this person...

I think he did his wife a favour by having an affair. At least she has a very valid reason to get shot of him now.

Because I am 99.9% sure that every decision or discussion had, he would have manipulated it in his favour.

He's even put out as she had the audacity to go to a holiday place he isn't keen on.

Just from this thread we gave established he is a liar and a cheat. What a catch hey.
🙈

sandyhappypeople · 19/08/2025 11:14

TreadingTrepidatious · 18/08/2025 13:30

Did you read anything I wrote?

Neither of us are making excuses for the infidelity. It’s inexcusable. I’ve said over and over there are no justifications for it. The betrayer is in no way blaming the betrayed for the infidelity.

The betrayer did try, and has documentation of all the things they tried through communication with others on social media, as they were trying to work through their feelings and quit the affair when it was going on. Quite simply, the betrayed did not understand what the betrayer what trying to communicate, and therefore did not try to make anything better. They withdrew, and actually made things seem hopeless for the betrayer.

The betrayer did not want to leave the marriage at any point. That’s a big part of the cheating: a cheater wants their spouse AND the affair partner. (Side note: I think it’s so funny that others are accusing me of being emotionless and black-and-white when keep encountering responses like this one. “Oh it’s so cut and dry! If the betrayer felt this way, then they should have done this. But they didn’t, so clearly they felt this other way.” Like, no lol. It’s a lot more complex than that.)

The betrayer did try, and has documentation of all the things they tried through communication with others on social media, as they were trying to work through their feelings and quit the affair when it was going on. Quite simply, the betrayed did not understand what the betrayer what trying to communicate, and therefore did not try to make anything better. They withdrew, and actually made things seem hopeless for the betrayer.

TWO things, you keep saying "while the affair was going on", "why the affair was happening".. I can't think of a single person that would could call an affair 'an affair' unless they were having sex of some kind.. so saying there was no sex is clearly not true, another lie for the betrayed.

And throughout all this self centered nonsense has there been any clarity as to why the BETRAYED felt the way they do, why the relationship was disconnected, what issues they were having etc, or are we only CHOOSING to force the betrayed to meet the betrayers needs, not the other way round.. barf.

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 11:15

thepariscrimefiles · 19/08/2025 06:24

Well you've obviously just outed yourself as the betrayer:

'The betrayer is home catching up on household tasks that are difficult to stay on top of when the children are home.'

Was that deliberate? Do the siblings and mum of the spouse that are going on holiday with them know about your marriage 'difficulties'? If so, how have they reacted?

I suppose I have.

I have only told my mother (not the grandmother on the holiday with my husband and children); we haven’t told any other family member nor any of our friends because we intend to stay together.

I told her about in the beginning stages and she discouraged me from proceeding, and I told her about it when he discovered the infidelity. She’s glad we’re working through it.

OP posts:
TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 11:17

MayaPinion · 19/08/2025 06:26

Someone has made a flow chart to justify their affair 🤷‍♀️

Point to where the flowchart advises the user to cheat. Go on

OP posts:
BarMonaco · 19/08/2025 11:19

“I believe it is a married person’s obligation to ensure one’s spouse’s needs are met to the best of their ability. A good partner will not only meet more basic needs, like safety and security, but also the higher needs, like feeling desired and connected to the other.”

Yes and it's a shame you've ruined your wife's safety and security and feeling of being desired and connected by sleeping with another woman.

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 11:20

Needpatience · 19/08/2025 06:28

Your flow diagram doesn’t cover what happened. The options are ‘accept the unmet needs’ or ‘leave the relationship’. But the unmet needs were met (by someone else) and no one left the relationship.

It’s not a flowchart about what happened; it’s a flowchart about the morally correct way to go about addressing unmet needs in one’s relationship. I had to make it because other posters seemed not to be understanding that I’m not saying that having unmet needs justifies cheating.

OP posts:
BustyLaRoux · 19/08/2025 11:27

What about making a flowchart from your wife’s pov? Starting with “Does your husband support you? (Eg. Will he agree to come on a holiday which is not of his choosing, even if he doesn’t like the destination, in order to support you in something you and the kids want to do?)”

Yes - smiley face!

No - bin this one. He’s a twat!

UnctuousUnicorns · 19/08/2025 11:27

"Yes and it's a shame you've ruined your wife's safety and security and feeling of being desired and connected by sleeping with another woman."

Going by the OP's post at 11.15 this morning, it's the OP - the wife - who has been unfaithful, as several pp have suggested.

Bloozie · 19/08/2025 11:27

My husband was unfaithful during my first marriage. We went to counselling and I would have said it was successful, but then we had our son and he was unfaithful again, and the marriage ended just after our son’s second birthday. He married the woman he had an affair with. They have since divorced because she was unfaithful.

I think if you can get to the root cause of the infidelity, then there’s maybe a chance, but it does speak to a moral code that’s warped.

I wish you luck.

prelovedusername · 19/08/2025 11:30

I can’t honestly tell whether it is the wife or the husband writing this (despite the “reveal” at 11:15), whoever it is enjoying this thread a little too much.

UnctuousUnicorns · 19/08/2025 11:33

prelovedusername · 19/08/2025 11:30

I can’t honestly tell whether it is the wife or the husband writing this (despite the “reveal” at 11:15), whoever it is enjoying this thread a little too much.

OP's words:

"my husband and children"

"he discovered the infidelity"

I think that makes it clear.

BustyLaRoux · 19/08/2025 11:33

UnctuousUnicorns · 19/08/2025 11:33

OP's words:

"my husband and children"

"he discovered the infidelity"

I think that makes it clear.

I’m guessing you’ve not seen the flowchart!