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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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AnotherGreyMorning · 18/07/2025 15:12

This man sounds like a total weirdo. And a really really nasty piece of work. A real bully and a coward. He's vile.

Can you change jobs?

I think you need to get as far away from him as possible. Block him on your phone and socials.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 18/07/2025 15:18

Freezing while you were being raped and battered is still being raped.
You knew and he knew. You were scared and he didn’t care.
Will leave it there as I don’t think there is anything any of us are saying which is helping.
It is really frustrating, but until you decide you are worth caring for yourself the way you care for others, any advice isn’t getting through.
I am so sorry for what you have been through.
I hope at some point you choose yourself and choose life.
Good luck.

YourBrickTiger · 18/07/2025 15:24

HoppingPavlova · 18/07/2025 14:43

the fact that he would say things like 'oh she sucked me off in front of the tv' and he also told me that the women he had been with ALL said that he had 'the nicest penis they had ever seen'. Call me messed up, but I thought that meant he was a real catch and that I'm the one missing out.

The thing is, you do really know that it is messed up.

In no universe is anyone missing out on a man that says any of the things you have written, inclusive of him being ‘sucked off in front of the tv’, or telling his workplace he has ‘the nicest penis women have ever seen’. In fact, every normal woman would immediately put a pervert alert on this behaviour and give the guy an enormous swerve.

Fun fact, any man who does have a ‘nice penis’ doesn’t feel the need to tell anybody, let alone his workplace. And any normal decent man does not talk about this, or any of the other revolting things that have come out of his mouth, full stop. Because it’s extremely inappropriate and the opposite of attractive.

As for your claim there is no point changing workplaces, as your issues will follow you. Hopefully you will get the therapy and help you need to prevent that, and irrespective the very confounding, inappropriate workplace behaviour you detail won’t be at a new workplace. Although, you will also need to make changes. Surfing forums so everyone can see your detailed, personal forum posts on the screen of your work computer (seemingly left unattended without the screen being locked) is not acceptable, that’s stuff you do at home in your own time. Nor is kissing colleagues in the workplace appropriate or accepted anywhere else. It’s really best you get another job and leave.

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Thank you so much. I realise I did make a mistake with the computer and I begged for his forgiveness. I still hate myself for it. Is that partly why this happened due to my mistake?

With regards to the kiss, I was looking at him and he just went for it. Of course I did reciprocate because I wanted to kiss him. Not to be defensive but I am working in a place where masturbation is frequent, people have had sex in offices and where I walked in to his willy hanging out. So I think a kiss is pretty mild. But I totally take what you're saying on board and if I was to work elsewhere or even find myself in a situation here again like that I wouldn't think it acceptable. I just so wanted to be with him in those moments.

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AnotherGreyMorning · 18/07/2025 15:34

Masturbation is frequent in your place of work?

Are you serious?

Is this a wind up?

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 18/07/2025 15:37

AnotherGreyMorning · 18/07/2025 15:34

Masturbation is frequent in your place of work?

Are you serious?

Is this a wind up?

It’s starting to sound not real…

YourBrickTiger · 18/07/2025 15:38

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 18/07/2025 15:18

Freezing while you were being raped and battered is still being raped.
You knew and he knew. You were scared and he didn’t care.
Will leave it there as I don’t think there is anything any of us are saying which is helping.
It is really frustrating, but until you decide you are worth caring for yourself the way you care for others, any advice isn’t getting through.
I am so sorry for what you have been through.
I hope at some point you choose yourself and choose life.
Good luck.

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It is really helping Peggy I'm sorry if it seems it isn't. Please don't leave. I just keep thinking of things that have happened but I will reply to each and everyone as soon as I can. I'm very grateful. You're all so very kind.

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SpryCat · 18/07/2025 15:38

You have to see and believe you are worthy, you don’t have to be perfect for a man to be interested.
You feel bad because he is an abuser, he even made sure he hurt and bruised you when you had sex. He a fucking horrific excuse of a man, it’s him who isn’t worthy, not you, my lovely.
could you p.m your company, it sounds so toxic @YourBrickTiger

YourBrickTiger · 18/07/2025 15:39

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 18/07/2025 15:37

It’s starting to sound not real…

Promise it is, can give at least 3 examples, which have then been talked about afterwards. Just because it's so unbelievable doesn't mean it didn't happen. Which is why I've normalised so much of it.

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YourBrickTiger · 18/07/2025 15:41

AnotherGreyMorning · 18/07/2025 15:34

Masturbation is frequent in your place of work?

Are you serious?

Is this a wind up?

Promise it's not.

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MNpenisadvisor · 18/07/2025 19:04

YourBrickTiger · 18/07/2025 15:41

Promise it's not.

Where on earth do you work?
I'm starting to presume this is all total bollocks now.

YourBrickTiger · 18/07/2025 19:41

MNpenisadvisor · 18/07/2025 19:04

Where on earth do you work?
I'm starting to presume this is all total bollocks now.

Will PM you. I understand how far fetched it is. But it’s happened to me.

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Anonusername1234 · 18/07/2025 20:53

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 18/07/2025 15:37

It’s starting to sound not real…

I’ve thought that for a while…

YourBrickTiger · 18/07/2025 22:02

Anonusername1234 · 18/07/2025 20:53

I’ve thought that for a while…

Thanks. Do you want me to send you his messages? My work id? Any other proof you need, name it.

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TheAverageJoanne · 18/07/2025 22:34

These people at work need reporting to HR. This crazy crap is illegal. Wanking in the office, getting your penises out, sending offensive messages and photos, shagging in the office, offensive talk about semen stains, blow jobs and the size of your Willy. It beggars belief how they are getting away with it.

YourBrickTiger · 18/07/2025 22:36

TheAverageJoanne · 18/07/2025 22:34

These people at work need reporting to HR. This crazy crap is illegal. Wanking in the office, getting your penises out, sending offensive messages and photos, shagging in the office, offensive talk about semen stains, blow jobs and the size of your Willy. It beggars belief how they are getting away with it.

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How would I though without it sounding like complete sour grapes at this stage?

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Voxon · 19/07/2025 00:00

Please don't send strangers here personally identifying information. You must keep yourself safe online.

I understand some of this sounds far fetched but OP seems vulnerable so maybe not a good idea to push her.

OP it sounds very much like you could use some help from your GP.

YourBrickTiger · 19/07/2025 00:28

Voxon · 19/07/2025 00:00

Please don't send strangers here personally identifying information. You must keep yourself safe online.

I understand some of this sounds far fetched but OP seems vulnerable so maybe not a good idea to push her.

OP it sounds very much like you could use some help from your GP.

Thank you. I am genuine. My head is just wrecked with this. It’s not right to say I’m not telling the truth. You don’t know me and I reached out here for help.

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Voxon · 19/07/2025 00:39

YourBrickTiger · 19/07/2025 00:28

Thank you. I am genuine. My head is just wrecked with this. It’s not right to say I’m not telling the truth. You don’t know me and I reached out here for help.

Some posters do this. In truth any post here can be real or not real and nobody knows, so you need to just ignore such comments as they can't be controlled.

What's important is to never share too much online so keep yourself safe above all. Your safety is much more important that satisfying a couple of strangers online.

I think you've had a lot of support and help here, but I also don't think any amount of reassurance will be sufficient as you're very vulnerable.

Can you get in touch with your GP in the morning? I think you need some tangible real life support as you do sound very depressed and although it seems like there's no answer I promise if you take steps to reach out in real life that you will begin to feel better.

CampCrow · 19/07/2025 01:14

You need to leave that job urgently and make sure you see someone about your mental health. You might want to consider asking your GP if you need to take some time of work.

Newnamehiwhodis · 19/07/2025 01:26

Until you get help and change the stories you have in your head about yourself, patterns will repeat.
you desperately need to rewrite your inner stories.

it’s not about “being a bitch,” as you said; it’s about healing enough to learn DEEPLY that people-pleasing is rooted in an abandonment of self, and an effort to protect one’s self by being in control of others - in control of how they feel. Making sure they’re pleased.
I KNOW this is extremely hard to hear- I was a people-pleaser myself, and it took me a long time to understand that in a sense I felt unsafe unless everyone liked me. I would abandon my own needs so quickly , I didn’t even know I was doing it.

please, OP, you just need a professional.

don’t date any more. Do anything you can to get the healing you need and deserve.

you can’t truly find your “yes” until you find your “no.”

one day, you’ll look back at this man and think ugh, what a complete slime. He didn’t deserve even a conversation with me.

but what he’s given you (maybe! If you accept the quest!) is a door to healing. This has been bad enough that it might be one of your biggest lessons. Please become determined that you’ll never give a creep the time of day again, and you will do whatever it takes to heal until you can see it. Please. I can’t emphasize this enough: your life will change for the better.

Newnamehiwhodis · 19/07/2025 01:40

Ps. I’ve gone back and read all your posts, OP, and I completely understand, because I’ve been there.

when people say “he’s not interested,” you’re hearing that it’s why he’s been so mean.

you’re hearing that you’ve been too interested, and you did something to lose his interest. Nothing could be further from the truth.

two things can be true at the same time.
he can be “not interested,” and it can be true that it’s not personal to you. I want you to hear this: people like him CANNOT be interested in anyone else for long. They will always wind up doing exactly what he did to you- they’ll be cruel. Because they see others as just props in a movie that’s all about them.
they see others as game pieces on a chess board. It’s not something in you that’s been inadequate.

let me repeat: it’s not any of your doing that he discarded you. That is what these people do to everyone who cares about them.

the only difference between you and every other woman he’s preyed on is: you accepted things that would have had someone else turn around and walk away immediately. And it is NOT your fault that you did so- people like this man find people who are wounded. You just need to heal.

By the way? There’s nothing lacking in you. people like this man don’t date ugly or unloveable people either, by the way; no matter what he’s tried to humiliate you with, the truth is, people like this find someone admirable because it’s a feather in their ego cap when they can break and discard someone who is BETTER THAN THEY ARE.

it’s not your illness to carry, that he was able to be so cruel. It’s not yours. It’s not your karma or whatever you want to call it: that’s all on him.
I know it’s hard to see because the purpose behind love-bombing is to manipulate a person’s mind so they always hold the abuser up to an image, and they always fight for the relationship, believing that if they can just be good enough, loving enough, kind enough, thin enough, smart enough… etc . The abuser will be loving again.

then the abuser discards, usually finds new prey immediately, and seems so sweet and loving with the new person! That’s because it’s part of the cycle.

an empathetically bankrupt person like this man can’t all of a sudden grow, when they’ve done no work. He will not be rewarding anyone with treatment that he withheld from you.

I know all of this because I took years - several years! To try to figure out all the “why????” Demons I had in my head after my ex did this same thing that was done to you.

I listened to Dr. Ramani on YouTube. I went to therapy. I read books. “Why does he do that” is a good book. “Journey from abandonment to healing” is also good.
“how to heal from a breakup” Will teach you how to see your own patterns.

I imagine you holding your head up and thriving in about a year’s time.

just fight for it. Trust me op, it’s worth it.

TheAverageJoanne · 19/07/2025 05:24

@Newnamehiwhodis What excellent posts.

Bittenonce · 19/07/2025 07:54

@YourBrickTiger I’m going to unfollow this thread now - every new post feels like a new twist in a horror story.
There’s been plenty of advice and support on here, but for me:
Trying to understand him only matters in as much as it helps you to understand how morally corrupt and emotionally bankrupt this guy is, how it’s all about him being abnormal, not you.
You seem (not wanting to sound judgy or harsh) to not understand what good looks like (or even what normal looks like) in a relationship. I can’t tell you where to go for help with this, but it’s something you need to learn. To be able to see warning signs, to protect yourself, to know if and when you can trust.
I really wish you well, I hope you find peace in yourself and someone who is as caring and trusting as you. Not all of us men are anything like this guy but you’re not nearly strong enough to be able to tell good from bad.

TheAverageJoanne · 19/07/2025 08:36

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man.

I've quoted the above from your first post, was he saying rude things and playing with himself in work at this point?

Terrribletwos · 19/07/2025 17:33

@YourBrickTiger I believe you and I absolutely believe that what you told can happen in certain workplaces, absolutely.

As far as I can tell, this was a situation where you got involved (rightly or wrongly) with a coke addict and fell deeply for him. Not your fault, you fell for him and he took advantage mightily and now you are dealing with the fallout which, as you say, is horrendous. I believe you. He has messed your head up terribly and now you have to find a way out.

You need to cut all contact and get to your doc.

The best...been there.

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