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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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YourBrickTiger · 01/09/2025 13:41

Sunflowers67 · 01/09/2025 11:06

How awful for you. And a big 'boo' for the pharmacy not helping you. I appreciate that they cannot hand out medication but they could have helped you to sort it with an emergency call to OOH doctors and they could have faxed a prescription.

Tell us about the win!

It was awful. I came back into the pharmacy before I went to hospital and was left sitting for 50 mins in plain view of staff before anyone even approached me again. The service was so bad that I've made a complaint and won't be going back there, I will be choosing a different pharmacy.

OK so the win. I would appreciate thoughts -

He was working at an event last week that I was at but I chose not to stay. Lost a couple of hours overtime but better than completely losing my mind. I was soooo nervous as she was there too and like I explained before the change in her since her promotion really bothers me plus it sometimes feels like a show. But I made a conscious decision to just try to 'grey rock' as much as possible. He arrived unexpectedly when I wasn't looking and just made a bit of small talk before sitting down. This might sound irrelevant but it is hugely significant to me so would appreciate some guidance -

He sat opposite my desk in a chair, just staring at his phone with a big grumpy face on. It was like looking at a spoiled child. Whereas before I would have probably tried to speak to him, this time I didn't and I thought to myself, 'if you want to sit there scowling, go for it, I won't be speaking first'. DO THEY DO THIS???? And why??? After what seemed like an eternity he finally said 'What time are you working to?' I didn't really know what way to take this as I am now suspicious of everything. But I let him know that I was leaving as soon as my relief arrived. He just said 'Oooo'.

I sat back and just tried to observe without looking if that makes sense. She just spoke to him about work related stuff, but what I did notice was him ask her when he was off as had errands to run for his mother. Again, I don't know why this makes me think he's looking for a reaction but he said his mother wasn't able to move properly without help now. Of course I really feel for him, but didn't say anything. And I wanted to because I was of course supposed to meet the lady. He may just have been making conversation but I'm not sure if it was a bid for more attention.

He stayed mainly quiet and it was ONLY when another male member of the team arrived that he joined in talking to me. This other man was asking me about my favourite tv show and there was a bit of banter going on. He was winding me up and teasing me and it was like all of a sudden 'the guy' started to come alive and asking me questions about the show. WHY DO THEY DO THIS?

Then as I was about to leave, he came right over to where I was standing to ask for a phone charger. I handed him the cable, but I had the plug in my hand and he took it from me as I was holding it. I asked him to leave it somewhere safe for me and he said he would put it in the drawer.

I know none of this will seem significant to you but it was to me. I held my ground for the most part and was quite proud of myself that he didn't rile me up. And that I let him know I wasn't sticking around that evening as I had other plans. I joined in the banter with the other guy (who he really dislikes btw).

I don't know if any of this was still playing on mind come Saturday which aided to the panic I felt (especially over his big sulky face sitting in front of me like I was some sort of vermin) - I'm not sure because I thought I handled it well and walked off with my head held high. I'm sure it will have been a bit of a snub to him that I wasn't sticking around just because 'his majesty' was there.

Welcome your thoughts and thanks again for all the support. x

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Sunflowers67 · 01/09/2025 15:46

Well, I'm going to be blunt.

Who cares? Maybe he was sulking because his underwear was too tight, maybe he started talking because he was bored, maybe he is just some vile, disgusting horrible man that broke your heart and doesn't deserve your ponderings.

But, I will say, well done for keeping your head up, keeping your cool and just doing your job. Also, the mention of his mother would have stirred your caring, emphatic soul - but again, who cares, his problem and sod them all. Practice sealing your heart off and not allow those heart strings to tug unless it is towards people that have earnt it and deserved it from you. You are the only one that deserves caring and kindness in this little septic work pond of toads and water rats - pour that care and attention into you.

It gets better and better, easier and easier - I promise.

OrangeRhymesWith · 01/09/2025 16:00

This sounds like a good 'grey rock' technique, well done. But please use it as a technique to get him out of your life and lessen his impact on you and not as hope that he will see you

he is an abuser, he uses different tactics with different people so you may not see him treating others the way he treated you but they will be abused in ways you don't see. You've seen and heard him abuse his wives and kids in the way he talks about them.

i am so, so sorry for all your losses and the lack of protective factors and presence of vulnerability factors like your adhd, grief, history of trauma, and loneliness that meant his abuse hit you harder than it would someone else in the same position (your mums friend was wrong to treat you badly when you lost your dad)

he is also a loser, anyone decent would look down on him. He is not a good person to anyone, someone who masturbates and talks like that? Imagine your loved family members hearing about a man like that. You are better than him.

i know it's not easy to leave a job but i think it's making everything worse. They are sick and making you sick, they have normalised abusive, belittling language so much it makes you feel abnormal for thinking differently.

you have to stop asking 'why he would do that?' There's no answer that will make it suddenly make sense.
he's not deep and thinking steps ahead.
The only answer to why he does anything is because it makes him feel good in the moment. Why did he say those nice things? Because it made him feel good in the moment, Why did he say you were obsessed with him? Because it made him feel better in the moment blaming you than facing up to the truth.
yes he said some nice things about you that you'd like to believe are true but nice things from someone like him aren't worth anything - think of the nice things loved ones like your Dad and Mom have said - they're solid and worth more.

i would advise you to take a break from work at least and reflect on whether you can see things clearly. Your doctor and recent er visit can give good reasoning for stress leave because it IS caused by your toxic workplace.

i would explore PTSD with a therapist and whether the situation with these people is representative of a core belief you seem to have that you're not good enough.

lots of strength to you

YourBrickTiger · 01/09/2025 16:02

Sunflowers67 · 01/09/2025 15:46

Well, I'm going to be blunt.

Who cares? Maybe he was sulking because his underwear was too tight, maybe he started talking because he was bored, maybe he is just some vile, disgusting horrible man that broke your heart and doesn't deserve your ponderings.

But, I will say, well done for keeping your head up, keeping your cool and just doing your job. Also, the mention of his mother would have stirred your caring, emphatic soul - but again, who cares, his problem and sod them all. Practice sealing your heart off and not allow those heart strings to tug unless it is towards people that have earnt it and deserved it from you. You are the only one that deserves caring and kindness in this little septic work pond of toads and water rats - pour that care and attention into you.

It gets better and better, easier and easier - I promise.

I do appreciate your time and thoughts, but I have to be blunt back. Saying 'who cares' is one of the worst things I can hear because I ask questions because I need opinions and information. I certainly do not mean to be rude, as you've been lovely to me but I do care about why he behaves that way. I really did try very hard but I needed to make that post today to see if I'm even half right about his behaviour, especially when it comes to me talking to the other guy because that way I will know I'm half way right to understanding who he is. I'm really sorry. It's just how my mind works.

None of it as @OrangeRhymesWith says is helped by work and by seeing 'her' acting so normally with him when she knows what he is like just because she's now a supervisor. Like you say it has all been 'normalised'. I think I did well but it still really hurts how someone I loved so deeply can just sit there like I never existed. Maybe I would be better off far away from him but I don't want to leave here. I am scared for my future. I'm carrying all this stuff around and really trying so hard just to get on with it when I should have maybe given up and stopped a long time ago.

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GwendolineFairfax8 · 01/09/2025 16:40

@YourBrickTiger

A massive well done Tiger. Thank you for sharing the work situation and apologies for anyone who says ‘who cares’ 🙄 when this clearly is a huge deal and a massive step forward.

I think (but I may be wrong) that coming on here to update, is therapeutic for you.

Also, you sorted your medication after a horrible experience and are taking charge to make a complaint.

WIN WIN 👏

To posters who write/think you should be over him by now and move on. Wouldn’t that be just wonderful. Many of us understand that it is not as simple as that so please don’t be disheartened 😊

YourBrickTiger · 01/09/2025 16:41

GwendolineFairfax8 · 01/09/2025 16:40

@YourBrickTiger

A massive well done Tiger. Thank you for sharing the work situation and apologies for anyone who says ‘who cares’ 🙄 when this clearly is a huge deal and a massive step forward.

I think (but I may be wrong) that coming on here to update, is therapeutic for you.

Also, you sorted your medication after a horrible experience and are taking charge to make a complaint.

WIN WIN 👏

To posters who write/think you should be over him by now and move on. Wouldn’t that be just wonderful. Many of us understand that it is not as simple as that so please don’t be disheartened 😊

Thank you @GwendolineFairfax8 . Appreciate the encouragement but am really dying to know what you think of what I described?

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Sunflowers67 · 01/09/2025 17:44

I'm sorry 😥I really didn't mean 'who cares?' in the literal sense of the words. I meant it in a 'focus on you' sort of way. I realise that the written word can be interpreted differently - the voice in my head was a kind 'who cares'.
I realise all too well how difficult it is to not overthink why they did that, why did they say that, what did it mean? So I tell myself again and again 'who cares'.
It just breaks that negative thought process that can send us spiralling into the oblivion of thinking about them.

I think you are doing amazingly well, I would never ever belittle anyone going through this horrible journey.

My bad 🤐

GwendolineFairfax8 · 01/09/2025 23:10

YourBrickTiger · 01/09/2025 16:41

Thank you @GwendolineFairfax8 . Appreciate the encouragement but am really dying to know what you think of what I described?

@YourBrickTiger

You described typical behaviour of someone who will become interested when another person shows them attention (primary school behaviour). It was so rude he ignored you up to that point. He sounds cruel from your previous posts and he would probably still have thought he could snap his fingers and you would come running. You will have unsettled him 😊

I hope you can keep working on your confidence and if you cross paths again - act exactly as you did.

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 09:17

GwendolineFairfax8 · 01/09/2025 23:10

@YourBrickTiger

You described typical behaviour of someone who will become interested when another person shows them attention (primary school behaviour). It was so rude he ignored you up to that point. He sounds cruel from your previous posts and he would probably still have thought he could snap his fingers and you would come running. You will have unsettled him 😊

I hope you can keep working on your confidence and if you cross paths again - act exactly as you did.

Thank you. I'm still not understanding why he would need to be cruel to someone who loves him so much. None of that makes any sense to me.

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Itsalittlewetout · 02/09/2025 09:24

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 09:17

Thank you. I'm still not understanding why he would need to be cruel to someone who loves him so much. None of that makes any sense to me.

Because you are a decent human who sees people at face value. Some damaged people do not operate in the world with their true face. You’ve never met one before so now you have. But there are many out there. Now is you opportunity to level up!

Itsalittlewetout · 02/09/2025 09:25

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Itsalittlewetout · 02/09/2025 09:27

It’s a hard sharp welcome to the real world sadly. We should be taught more about this in schools.

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 09:35

Itsalittlewetout · 02/09/2025 09:25

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I don't get how (please forgive me) how it doesn't reflect our worth, if someone sees you and thinks 'you love me - I'm going to be awful to you'. I still interpret that as 'I'm going to abuse you because you're not pretty enough to be with the likes of me'. I'm so sorry I don't know how to get past that part!

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CampCrow · 02/09/2025 09:40

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 09:35

I don't get how (please forgive me) how it doesn't reflect our worth, if someone sees you and thinks 'you love me - I'm going to be awful to you'. I still interpret that as 'I'm going to abuse you because you're not pretty enough to be with the likes of me'. I'm so sorry I don't know how to get past that part!

That’s why you have to work with a professional Counsellor and that’s why you need to leave your job. You are going to carry on going round and round in circles otherwise.

Itsalittlewetout · 02/09/2025 09:41

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 09:35

I don't get how (please forgive me) how it doesn't reflect our worth, if someone sees you and thinks 'you love me - I'm going to be awful to you'. I still interpret that as 'I'm going to abuse you because you're not pretty enough to be with the likes of me'. I'm so sorry I don't know how to get past that part!

Your thinking is twisted. In what world is it ok to abuse someone who is ugly? Our face or the size of our body is not a representation of our worth. Your worth comes from within, it’s from how you think of yourself and not what someone else thinks of you. You need to work on how you view yourself. You don’t talk to yourself very kindly and that is something that you need to unpick.

kellygoeswest · 02/09/2025 10:01

I think you need to accept that, as difficult as it may be, you might not get all of the answers to the questions you want answered.

Sometimes life just doesn't give us the closure or answers, you can do everything right, but others actions are simply out of our control.

Have you had any progression with therapy at all?

Itsalittlewetout · 02/09/2025 10:07

kellygoeswest · 02/09/2025 10:01

I think you need to accept that, as difficult as it may be, you might not get all of the answers to the questions you want answered.

Sometimes life just doesn't give us the closure or answers, you can do everything right, but others actions are simply out of our control.

Have you had any progression with therapy at all?

I think answers also come at the time they do and some can only arise as we heal. We can’t have them all now. It’s literally the definition of growing. We want answers so we need to do the work, the workings out. You will get answers @YourBrickTiger but you are going to have to work for them. When you do you are going to thank yourself. The best thing I did for myself was to get inquisitive about myself. I feel like this…then find out why, over and over.

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 10:18

I don't believe the counsellors. One has told me he's straight out abusive. You guys do too. My other counsellor has said he's abusive. Then I see him carrying on and being almost kind to others. Others saying he's a good laugh and a kind person. I can't marry the two together. I don't know where my beautiful man went who was in my home holding me, telling me I wasn't alone. I compare him to the man who sits and quietly sulks or ignores me and it's like an evil twin brother. There is NO accountability for any of his behaviour, even when it comes to marrying a woman to get her a citizenship and now they're getting divorced. He just does what he likes but still seems to come up smelling of roses.

There's much much more happening to me outside of here now too, involving my own brother. I'm not even sure if anyone will believe me as my life is like a soap opera. There are things I clearly do not understand or grasp, it's so much worse than I can even tell you here. Like even the poster above saying 'who cares?' although I know it wasn't meant that she didn't, I do care. I want to know why he's so evil to me, why I wasn't enough. And now I'm rambling and last night my brother started on me too. I just can't take anymore.

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Itsalittlewetout · 02/09/2025 10:24

The nice man doesn’t exist. How he is now is the real person. It’s all smoke and mirrors, he’s a shiny lure on a fish hook. He is clever, he has crafted himself to look normal. Each and everyone person in his life will have a fixed purpose.

Bittenonce · 02/09/2025 10:35

If someone can’t support you -
If they can’t be honest with you-
If they can’t be good to you-
It just means they’re not good, supportive, honest people. It’s not a reflection on you.
Try to remember that

AncoraAmarena · 02/09/2025 10:41

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 10:18

I don't believe the counsellors. One has told me he's straight out abusive. You guys do too. My other counsellor has said he's abusive. Then I see him carrying on and being almost kind to others. Others saying he's a good laugh and a kind person. I can't marry the two together. I don't know where my beautiful man went who was in my home holding me, telling me I wasn't alone. I compare him to the man who sits and quietly sulks or ignores me and it's like an evil twin brother. There is NO accountability for any of his behaviour, even when it comes to marrying a woman to get her a citizenship and now they're getting divorced. He just does what he likes but still seems to come up smelling of roses.

There's much much more happening to me outside of here now too, involving my own brother. I'm not even sure if anyone will believe me as my life is like a soap opera. There are things I clearly do not understand or grasp, it's so much worse than I can even tell you here. Like even the poster above saying 'who cares?' although I know it wasn't meant that she didn't, I do care. I want to know why he's so evil to me, why I wasn't enough. And now I'm rambling and last night my brother started on me too. I just can't take anymore.

You will NEVER know why he does/did things. Never. He probably doesn't even know himself. He's just an awful human being, of which there are many. This doesn't reflect on you at all. I'm a pretty fabulous person 😉and I've had my fair share of these types of men too.

The only way you will get over this is to disengage and to stop trying to figure out why/when/what. And this relates to this man and your colleague. You will never know the reasons for their actions, even if you pondered until the end of time. Stop giving them headspace. Yes, it's easier said that done but you HAVE to try to do it.

All of your posting on Mumsnet is feeding your desire to work out the reasons for his behaviour. Before you start on me, I am not saying don't post. Do what you like. But you need to understand that you are fuelling your own unhappiness by doing this. No one can tell you the reasons why, no one. Not even him.

You said you have stuff going on in other parts of your life. Concentrate on that. Honestly I would like to give you a big hug and then a shake. Don't waste your life being unhappy about this utter dick. The freedom you will feel when you eventually quash your obsessing and playing back every single thing will be wonderful.

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 10:49

AncoraAmarena · 02/09/2025 10:41

You will NEVER know why he does/did things. Never. He probably doesn't even know himself. He's just an awful human being, of which there are many. This doesn't reflect on you at all. I'm a pretty fabulous person 😉and I've had my fair share of these types of men too.

The only way you will get over this is to disengage and to stop trying to figure out why/when/what. And this relates to this man and your colleague. You will never know the reasons for their actions, even if you pondered until the end of time. Stop giving them headspace. Yes, it's easier said that done but you HAVE to try to do it.

All of your posting on Mumsnet is feeding your desire to work out the reasons for his behaviour. Before you start on me, I am not saying don't post. Do what you like. But you need to understand that you are fuelling your own unhappiness by doing this. No one can tell you the reasons why, no one. Not even him.

You said you have stuff going on in other parts of your life. Concentrate on that. Honestly I would like to give you a big hug and then a shake. Don't waste your life being unhappy about this utter dick. The freedom you will feel when you eventually quash your obsessing and playing back every single thing will be wonderful.

As long as he IS an utter dick and not just an utter dick with me I can try. I won't even get over him, I know that for sure. It's just cut way too deeply.

Would it be ok if I told you about what has happened with my brother?

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TheAverageJoanne · 02/09/2025 11:12

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 09:35

I don't get how (please forgive me) how it doesn't reflect our worth, if someone sees you and thinks 'you love me - I'm going to be awful to you'. I still interpret that as 'I'm going to abuse you because you're not pretty enough to be with the likes of me'. I'm so sorry I don't know how to get past that part!

Because it's THEIR issue.

An often trotted out phrase attributed to I think Eleanor Roosevelt is something like nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent. Don't consent to it. His worthless opinions count for zero.

kellygoeswest · 02/09/2025 11:16

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 10:49

As long as he IS an utter dick and not just an utter dick with me I can try. I won't even get over him, I know that for sure. It's just cut way too deeply.

Would it be ok if I told you about what has happened with my brother?

I know you don't believe you'll ever get over him (and its absolutely no one elses place to say whether you will or won't), but from your posts it feels like you've put your life entirely on hold.

It's up to you to take control of your life and make an active decision on whether to move on - whether that's changing workplaces or finding meaning or something that matters elsewhere.

Change and letting go of the past is scary, but you've already wasted so much centering this man and your toxic workplace. He will never change and neither will the toxicity of your workplace. The only one in control of your life and what happens next is you. The only one who can actively take action to move forward and take the power back is you.

YourBrickTiger · 02/09/2025 11:39

kellygoeswest · 02/09/2025 11:16

I know you don't believe you'll ever get over him (and its absolutely no one elses place to say whether you will or won't), but from your posts it feels like you've put your life entirely on hold.

It's up to you to take control of your life and make an active decision on whether to move on - whether that's changing workplaces or finding meaning or something that matters elsewhere.

Change and letting go of the past is scary, but you've already wasted so much centering this man and your toxic workplace. He will never change and neither will the toxicity of your workplace. The only one in control of your life and what happens next is you. The only one who can actively take action to move forward and take the power back is you.

But is there a point Kelly? Everything that has happened has me feeling like the lowest piece of crap on the ground, so what is the point in trying? There are days when I have seen him he looks at me like he misses me, other days he treats me with such contempt. I can't even describe how much I loved him, and I got it all wrong, according to him.

I'd really appreciate if it is ok to tell you guys what I'm now going through with my brother. It might help with understanding (not that you aren't all very understanding!) how my life is now.

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