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Has anyone ever come back from a similar situation to this?

116 replies

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 19:25

Married 10 years, together 20, from our early 20s.

2 kids aged 6 and 4. Separate bedrooms for the last couple of years, due to his snoring and kids being constantly in and out of our bed. Since the kids have been born it's been a bit 'ships in the night'. Sex very rare, especially in the last 2 years. It's become a bit awkward physically- little to no affection unless I force it.

I suppose I didn't worry too much in the early years of the kids, thinking it was just a phase every couple goes through. In the last year I've felt a bit more myself and I suppose have noticed the relationship dying and I've realised in comparison to friends relationships etc that we are lacking and that it can't all just be pinned on kids.

I've been making an effort to suggest things we could do together etc/projects we need to do around the house and he's just been so miserable about everything. Booking a holiday etc, just met with constant shoulder shrugging to the point where I've thought f**k it, the burden of planning etc all falls to me so I'm not going to organise it all just to drag him along behind me. I said to a friend the other week that I am the driving force of the whole family and it feels like I'm just dragging him through life sometimes.

After another day of him being miserable and non responsive to everything today, I asked outright 'do you want to split up?'. And he blurts out he doesn't know, he's been feeling like it's been over for ages, he feels guilty because he can see I've been making an effort and he knows he's been rejecting me and being a misery. Says he's been feeling like this for a year and a half or so. Swears blind there is nobody else, I think I believe him but I'm not 100% (learned that from here!). Says we are just flatmates, have nothing in common any more and he doesn't know if he loves me in that way any more. In some ways I shouldn't be surprised because I've obviously known things weren't right but him saying it still feels like a bolt from the blue and I'm obviously feeling hurt and rejected. I've asked him if he thinks he is generally depressed or whether it's the relationship (lack of) that's making him depressed.

I've said I would be willing to give it a go if he is, he says he's not sure. I said being unsure isn't really an option, I'm certainly not going to be hanging about while he makes his mind up. I've told him he either commits to trying, maybe look at counselling etc, or he moves into his mums house ASAP. She's 5mins away so would be easy in terms of maintaining contact with the kids and their routine etc.

I feel embarrassed at the thought of telling anyone in real life. I know I shouldn't, I have amazing friends and family, and in laws to be fair. I know in the event of a divorce that I'm the stronger person, I will survive and he will struggle. I will be worse off financially of course, but that can always be managed one way or another. If he had 50% custody he would struggle to cope/the kids would have a shit time just watching tv/being on ipads.

I don't know really, just wanted to write it all down and not quite feeling strong enough to tell anyone in real life right now.

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Formerwinelover · 26/05/2025 19:37

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 19:25

Married 10 years, together 20, from our early 20s.

2 kids aged 6 and 4. Separate bedrooms for the last couple of years, due to his snoring and kids being constantly in and out of our bed. Since the kids have been born it's been a bit 'ships in the night'. Sex very rare, especially in the last 2 years. It's become a bit awkward physically- little to no affection unless I force it.

I suppose I didn't worry too much in the early years of the kids, thinking it was just a phase every couple goes through. In the last year I've felt a bit more myself and I suppose have noticed the relationship dying and I've realised in comparison to friends relationships etc that we are lacking and that it can't all just be pinned on kids.

I've been making an effort to suggest things we could do together etc/projects we need to do around the house and he's just been so miserable about everything. Booking a holiday etc, just met with constant shoulder shrugging to the point where I've thought f**k it, the burden of planning etc all falls to me so I'm not going to organise it all just to drag him along behind me. I said to a friend the other week that I am the driving force of the whole family and it feels like I'm just dragging him through life sometimes.

After another day of him being miserable and non responsive to everything today, I asked outright 'do you want to split up?'. And he blurts out he doesn't know, he's been feeling like it's been over for ages, he feels guilty because he can see I've been making an effort and he knows he's been rejecting me and being a misery. Says he's been feeling like this for a year and a half or so. Swears blind there is nobody else, I think I believe him but I'm not 100% (learned that from here!). Says we are just flatmates, have nothing in common any more and he doesn't know if he loves me in that way any more. In some ways I shouldn't be surprised because I've obviously known things weren't right but him saying it still feels like a bolt from the blue and I'm obviously feeling hurt and rejected. I've asked him if he thinks he is generally depressed or whether it's the relationship (lack of) that's making him depressed.

I've said I would be willing to give it a go if he is, he says he's not sure. I said being unsure isn't really an option, I'm certainly not going to be hanging about while he makes his mind up. I've told him he either commits to trying, maybe look at counselling etc, or he moves into his mums house ASAP. She's 5mins away so would be easy in terms of maintaining contact with the kids and their routine etc.

I feel embarrassed at the thought of telling anyone in real life. I know I shouldn't, I have amazing friends and family, and in laws to be fair. I know in the event of a divorce that I'm the stronger person, I will survive and he will struggle. I will be worse off financially of course, but that can always be managed one way or another. If he had 50% custody he would struggle to cope/the kids would have a shit time just watching tv/being on ipads.

I don't know really, just wanted to write it all down and not quite feeling strong enough to tell anyone in real life right now.

I'm sorry you are going through this. I do think you guys had an honest conversation and he told you what he wants... You just need to listen. Not saying he wants to try is an answer. He admits to feel this way for over a year but only when you confronted him. And now he doesn't want to commit with a straight answer about trying. I don't want to be harsh but he is telling you he doesn't want more of it by expecting you to be the one making the decision

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 19:43

Formerwinelover · 26/05/2025 19:37

I'm sorry you are going through this. I do think you guys had an honest conversation and he told you what he wants... You just need to listen. Not saying he wants to try is an answer. He admits to feel this way for over a year but only when you confronted him. And now he doesn't want to commit with a straight answer about trying. I don't want to be harsh but he is telling you he doesn't want more of it by expecting you to be the one making the decision

Thank you for replying honestly. So do you think he is pushing for me to insist he moves out now? So even though he is the one that's completely blown our lives up, he still hasn't got the bottle to be the one who officially calls time on it and moves out?

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ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 19:44

I honestly can't believe I've gone from a normal day to this. I'm kicking myself for asking him the question in some ways, just want to undo it even though it was obviously going to come about at some point. I feel so sick thinking of losing my home and the upheaval for the kids.

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AmandaHoldensLips · 26/05/2025 19:50

I would strongly recommend you seek couples counselling as a matter of urgency.

Even if he wants to split up, having a counsellor acting as a neutral safe-space mediator will help you to both have the conversations you need to have.

For you to pin blame on him ("he is the one that has completely blown our lives up") is not helpful. It's also not entirely true as you have said yourself that the marriage has been in trouble for a while by the sounds of it.

It's also unfair for him to put the onus on you to decide if you should split up.

Find a good counsellor, fast.

Foxandhoundsxx · 26/05/2025 19:50

Hi OP, I really feel for you …. your situation sounds very similar to mine, but without the DCs. I had been with my DP for 20 years and 4 weeks ago he suddenly ended the relationship, saying very similar things like we are just flatmates, doesn’t love me in the same way and is not happy etc. Also swears blind there is nobody else. He too said he had felt this way for about 8 months. He too had been avoiding making plans such as holidays, and leaving me to organise anything to do with the house. I wish I had recognised the signs. For us there is no way back as his mind is made up and he doesn’t even want to try. I am heartbroken but he ‘checked out’ months ago. I think this is fairly common behaviour for men. It sounds as though your DH is at least willing to give it a go but as you say do not hang around for too long as life is too short.

Formerwinelover · 26/05/2025 19:55

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 19:43

Thank you for replying honestly. So do you think he is pushing for me to insist he moves out now? So even though he is the one that's completely blown our lives up, he still hasn't got the bottle to be the one who officially calls time on it and moves out?

Did you asked him why is unsure of trying something different?
Do you feel ready to have a conversation with him that potentially will determine a huge change in your life?
For example, would you be afraid of asking him why is he still with you and for a year and a half did not communicated what was going on.

BobbyBiscuits · 26/05/2025 19:55

You've every right to tell him you're not hanging around while he 'doesn't know' if he wants a relationship with you or not.

Stick to your guns and if anything say he should go to his Mum's for a bit anyway just so you can also think about things, but if he won't agree to counselling then frankly he should stay there.

It's not a massive surprise to you as things were feeling distant for a while. But make sure you don't compromise anymore on what you need. If he doesn't want to improve things then he's out the door permanently.

Sorry you're going through this. Be strong. You deserve a loving partner x

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 20:34

Anyone got any good recs for counselling? I feel like if he agrees then we should at least try for the sake of the kids. And also maybe it will help me get things straight in my head at least. God I feel so sick, I knew things were bad but I can't describe how much of a shock it is. And I'm going into a major work project that will last the next 8 weeks, I just can't see how I will be able to cope and get through it.

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giggly · 26/05/2025 20:51

Sorry this has been sprung on you but I’m unsure why you would ask if he was depressed? Why would you consider that as a reason?
sure he sounds like he has a lack of motivation but that can be explained by being uncertain about your future together.

my dh was similar and would never had made the decision as he didn’t have the balls so I made it for us.

My girls and me have blossomed away from his disinterest in his family.

I wish you well in whatever decision you make.

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 21:08

giggly · 26/05/2025 20:51

Sorry this has been sprung on you but I’m unsure why you would ask if he was depressed? Why would you consider that as a reason?
sure he sounds like he has a lack of motivation but that can be explained by being uncertain about your future together.

my dh was similar and would never had made the decision as he didn’t have the balls so I made it for us.

My girls and me have blossomed away from his disinterest in his family.

I wish you well in whatever decision you make.

Thank you, that's good to hear that things have worked out well for you. I suppose I'm feeling very hurt at being the one being rejected. We've both taken our eye off the ball relationship wise, I recognised it and have been trying to work at it but he hasn't. Maybe it could have been better had we had this conversation a year ago.

I asked if he was depressed as he has morphed from someone who was always horizontally laid back to a grumpy miserable fucker. I thought it might be age related but obviously he's been feeling unhappy with me. I suppose I never expected him to come out and say it.

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ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 21:09

I guess I thought when I was trying to improve things and he wasn't really reciprocating, that we would just plod on as is. I feel stupid and embarrassed saying that.

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CC222 · 26/05/2025 21:18

I don’t have an advice, i just wanted to say you sound like a wonderful partner and mum and you’ve gone above and beyond to keep your family life going. But it takes two to make to work, and he has checked out by the sounds of it.
You’re absolutely right in insisting that he either commits to trying or he leaves. It’s cruel to let this carry on with no change or effort on his part now that it’s out in the open (and I must add, he’s a bit of a coward because it’s taken all this time of him being an uninterested selfish dick and for you to ask the question for this to come to light!)
If he cannot take some responsibility in this then you have to prioritise your own needs. The logistics of co-parenting will all fall into place eventually, so try not stress too much over that right now. Just focus on you, and what you need.
Sending love x

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 21:29

CC222 · 26/05/2025 21:18

I don’t have an advice, i just wanted to say you sound like a wonderful partner and mum and you’ve gone above and beyond to keep your family life going. But it takes two to make to work, and he has checked out by the sounds of it.
You’re absolutely right in insisting that he either commits to trying or he leaves. It’s cruel to let this carry on with no change or effort on his part now that it’s out in the open (and I must add, he’s a bit of a coward because it’s taken all this time of him being an uninterested selfish dick and for you to ask the question for this to come to light!)
If he cannot take some responsibility in this then you have to prioritise your own needs. The logistics of co-parenting will all fall into place eventually, so try not stress too much over that right now. Just focus on you, and what you need.
Sending love x

Thank you for saying that, I don't know if I'm wonderful but at least I've recognised that things and gone south and have been trying. And thank you for saying co parenting will work out somehow, I'm sure it will. I have no experience of divorce through family or even close friends really, barring a couple of friends who had kids young and then split with their partners in the early days.

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AmandaHoldensLips · 26/05/2025 21:38

You might want to start here. Put your location and the speciality you need (ie couples counselling) and see what comes up. If I remember correctly, you can look through the various profiles to see who might be a good starting point.

Remember that some counsellors are better than others. It sometimes takes a bit of effort to find a good fit. (I remember one couples counsellor from way back who was absolutely crap, and another who was great.)

https://www.bacp.co.uk

British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy

BACP is the professional association for members of the counselling professions in the UK. We exist for one simple reason - counselling changes lives

https://www.bacp.co.uk

AmandaHoldensLips · 26/05/2025 21:39

Counselling isn't easy but can definitely help clear the log jam when you're both feeling stuck.

CC222 · 26/05/2025 21:47

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 21:29

Thank you for saying that, I don't know if I'm wonderful but at least I've recognised that things and gone south and have been trying. And thank you for saying co parenting will work out somehow, I'm sure it will. I have no experience of divorce through family or even close friends really, barring a couple of friends who had kids young and then split with their partners in the early days.

Honestly I completely understand the worry as a mum, of how things will work out when co-parenting, but you’ll find your flow. When it comes to that, the kids are top priority and you absolutely will make sure it stays that way, you’re a great mum.
But for now the issue is down to whether he can step up to try, or not. You can’t hang around waiting while he forces you to plod along for god knows how long in an environment where it’s only you trying. That will become soul destroying for you…
A separation now doesn’t necessarily even mean a permanent separation. It might be the wake up call he needs! But only time will tell how things pan out. Unless he is willing to take action, you can’t leave the ball in his court because he’s quite happy plodding along being a miserable git, but now you know what you know, unfortunately there is no going back without a pure team effort to fix things.
I do hope he wakes up and realises the damage he is causing. You’ve been together so long, but ultimately he needs to take responsibility in his part for things to be repaired and renewed between you.
Please don’t feel like you need to hide this from your loved ones. You need support. You shouldn’t have to burden this alone, none of this is your fault ♥️

Shesellsseashellsnotinmystreet · 26/05/2025 21:58

Sadly like a lot of men maybe he didn't realise how much time and effort goes into raising dc.. Are you the default parent? If he had been proactive about seeking help for his snoring would you have shared a bed all along? Has he taken being sidelined for the dc (in the nicest way!) badly making him moody and miserable? Maybe life without a man child will be a happier one?

StarlightExpresssed · 26/05/2025 22:02

What’s not clear from your post is whether you’ve been trying to make things work because you feel you should, or because you really want to with him. Do you still love him? Is there someone else out there you think might be a better fit for your amazing energy? You sound fab, and tbh, a bit wasted on him.

Since he said he’s unsure, I’d give him a very short window (a week max) to decide if he’s willing to actively try (counselling, sharing the mental load, showing up emotionally) - make him go to his mums for that week. Make it clear that not sure is a passive no. Also use that time to think about what you want.

If he doesn’t commit 100% to working on it, you’ve got your answer. He sounds pretty passive so the fact he’s come out and said it, and you’re shocked would suggest he really has checked out and you’re right to think the ship has sailed.

If it’s a no, ask* *him to move out right away. He can stay close by for the kids and you can both start adjusting to solo parenting - and he will be faced with his new reality.

While he’s having a think, get your ducks lined up. Gather financial information (income, savings, joint accounts, debts). Talk to a solicitor (many offer free initial consultations) to understand where you stand with housing, finances etc.

Personally, I’d do a bit of digging on the OW front. It’s certainly not beyond the realms and it does sound like the script as he’s done fuck all to fix anything.

You don’t need to rush a divorce or make everything final right now. You will be okay. It doesn’t sound like a happy or fulfilling relationship. Put your efforts into yourself and in the future, into someone who will appreciate you so so much more.

Justhere65 · 26/05/2025 22:03

I mean this kindly, do you love him?

OchreRaven · 26/05/2025 22:05

I would suggest that you separate but go to couples therapy so that you can aim for positive co-parenting. It will hopefully let you navigate it better and also there is always a chance you re-connect emotionally. But you need to plan as though it’s over. You can’t move forward with someone who isn’t invested.

I would probably be doing some sneaky checking to see if there was someone else just so I didn’t bother to invest emotionally if he’s got someone on the side. Unfortunately my knowledge of men is they take the easiest route so they usually only want to leave when they have someone else lined up.

He’s a coward to make you do all the work when he wants out.

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 22:09

OchreRaven · 26/05/2025 22:05

I would suggest that you separate but go to couples therapy so that you can aim for positive co-parenting. It will hopefully let you navigate it better and also there is always a chance you re-connect emotionally. But you need to plan as though it’s over. You can’t move forward with someone who isn’t invested.

I would probably be doing some sneaky checking to see if there was someone else just so I didn’t bother to invest emotionally if he’s got someone on the side. Unfortunately my knowledge of men is they take the easiest route so they usually only want to leave when they have someone else lined up.

He’s a coward to make you do all the work when he wants out.

Thank you, hes super adamant there's nobody else. And I've never had a reason not to trust him on that front. But I'm of the same opinion as you that it's very rare for men to leave a long term relationship when it's just plodding along with no passion but no drama without someone else lined up. So I'm still sceptical.

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b0zza1 · 26/05/2025 22:11

You must be in shock! Why he couldn't have mentioned something before now I don't know. And what if you hadn't asked him outright, would he have just dragged on?

A friend shared this with me once and whilst it doesn't dictate my behaviour, I've found it a useful reference point.

"Many of the biggest decisions you’ll face in life involve other people.

Will you be in a committed romantic relationship with me?

Do you want to have kids?

Will you give me a promotion within six months?

What these decisions have in common are two-fold:

Your decision has high stakes;
Your decision depends on someone else’s decision.
At first glance, these decisions seem like binary decisions.

Example 1:

Let’s say you’ve been dating someone for a few months now. You want a more serious relationship. You have a relationship conversation with your dating partner to see where they stand.

You want a relationship and you want to know if they want one too. You ask them “yes” or “no” questions… and instead of hearing “yes” or “no,” you hear back “possibly someday.”

If they had said “yes,” you’d progress to a more committed relationship. If they had said “no,” you would part ways and see other people. But you don’t get either answer, you get something in between… so, now what?

Example 2:

If you’re in a long-term romantic relationship with someone, it’s useful to know if the other person wants to have children or not.

Two people who have different answers to that question are going to have a structural obstacle to having a mutually satisfying relationship.

Imagine that you’ve been in a long-term relationship with your partner. You’re deciding whether you want this to be a lifetime relationship.

One of your key needs is to have children. You ask your partner if they do. You expect to hear a “yes” or a “no.” Instead, you hear an “I’m not sure yet” or “I’m still thinking about it.”

If the other person said “yes,” you’d be thrilled to be in a more serious committed relationship involving parenthood. If the other person says “no,” you’d move on. What you hear in return is neither answer. What do you do?

Example 3:

You’ve been working for a company for four years. You feel you’ve done the work to earn a promotion. You’re a little frustrated that you haven’t been granted one yet. You ask your boss a simple “yes” or “no” question: “Will you be able to grant me a promotion within the next six months?”

The answer you get back is “Maybe, we’ll have to see how the budget looks for the next fiscal year.”

If your boss said “yes,” you’d stay six months and get the job you wanted. If your boss says “no,” then you’d be inclined to work on updating your resume. You don’t get either answer. You’re told it depends…

What these situations all have in common is that the other person responds with an answer that includes uncertainty. Maybe the other person will want to be in a more committed relationship… will want to have kids… will promote you… or maybe not.

What often happens in these situations is the person making the strategic life decision ends up waiting to get clarity from the other person. They haven’t said “no.” But they also haven’t said “yes” either.

I propose a different way of looking at this situation.

When assessing the other person’s response, don’t look for a “yes” or “no” response.

Instead, look for a “yes” or “not ‘yes.'”

You: Do you want to have kids with me?

Them: Maybe. (“Maybe” = “Not yes”)

You: Do you want to be in a committed romantic relationship with me?

Them: Let’s see where things go. (“Let’s see where things go” = “Not yes”)

You: Will you give me a promotion within six months?

Them: Let’s see how the budget looks the next fiscal year. (“Let’s see how the budget looks for the next fiscal year” = “Not yes”)

In other words, the other person answers “yes” or “not yes.”

This means:

“Maybe” = “Not yes”

“Let’s wait and see” = “Not yes”

“Possibly” = “Not yes”

“I’m not sure yet” = “Not yes”

Declining to answer the question = Not yes

Changing the subject = Not yes

The key insight is this: “Not yes” is an answer. It means they are… well… not saying “yes.”

You don’t want to use this decision-making approach for every situation. However, for some high stake decisions, the “yes” vs. “not yes” approach is a more useful, proactive way to make certain types of decisions."

S0j0urn4r · 26/05/2025 22:19

@ThisPoisedGoldGuide
We went to Relate for counselling. He swore blind in the sessions that there was noone else. There was.
Your DH sounds like a passenger in your house. You've been trying to improve things but he hasn't even met you halfway.
Try counselling so you can tell your kids you tried everything.

BiggySwish · 26/05/2025 22:26

You must be reeling. But try not to romanticise the relationship- he sounds like he’s bringing nothing to the party, and you’re doing all the heavy lifting. Once the pain has subsided, some counselling for yourself might be helpful for you to process this and decide what you want. Remember the old saying, don’t prioritise someone who is only an option for you.
Before you do any couples therapy I’d do some decent investigative work to see if there’s an OW, so you’re not wasting your time if he does commit to therapy. I’d be checking his phone, emails etc. He’s given you cause as far as I’m concerned. Stay strong.

www.bacp.co.uk/about-therapy/using-our-therapist-directory/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22559305625&gbraid=0AAAAA_MeHrjbbQ74LbGe6XWgEwznUe8-x&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9IWnv4jCjQMVUZZQBh3EUiWfEAAYAiAAEgLsk_D_BwE

Candlesburn · 26/05/2025 22:57

I am sorry Op that must have been a shock for you . If you work for a large organisation you may be able to access some free sessions of individual counselling .
My advice would be to ask him to move out at least on a temp basis , to give you both space .
It may be that he doesn’t have an OW or he actively involved with one . He could however have someone he is interested in and this has allowed him to fantasise about a life that doesn’t have kids / domesticity 24/7 ie real life for those of us with families .
It could also be that there is no one else involved at all and he is simply bored and “ having a mid life crisis “.
I would do some digging if you can .
I think you need to seriously consider what it is you want and be realistic other than sharing finances , what he has brought to the relationship recently .
You can make a relationship work if it is slightly uneven , but not if you are the one that is doing the bulk of the heavy lifting, which is what you seem to have been doing .
Look after yourself , make sure you keep hydrated and try and eat little and often .
You don’t need to make any final decisions at this stage . Don’t be embarrassed to seek out support from your friends and loved ones . There isn’t anything that you have done wrong and sadly a lot of us end up with broken relationships . This is not something that anyone wants for our children .
He may realise what he is losing and decide to go for joint counselling .
Take care .