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Has anyone ever come back from a similar situation to this?

116 replies

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 26/05/2025 19:25

Married 10 years, together 20, from our early 20s.

2 kids aged 6 and 4. Separate bedrooms for the last couple of years, due to his snoring and kids being constantly in and out of our bed. Since the kids have been born it's been a bit 'ships in the night'. Sex very rare, especially in the last 2 years. It's become a bit awkward physically- little to no affection unless I force it.

I suppose I didn't worry too much in the early years of the kids, thinking it was just a phase every couple goes through. In the last year I've felt a bit more myself and I suppose have noticed the relationship dying and I've realised in comparison to friends relationships etc that we are lacking and that it can't all just be pinned on kids.

I've been making an effort to suggest things we could do together etc/projects we need to do around the house and he's just been so miserable about everything. Booking a holiday etc, just met with constant shoulder shrugging to the point where I've thought f**k it, the burden of planning etc all falls to me so I'm not going to organise it all just to drag him along behind me. I said to a friend the other week that I am the driving force of the whole family and it feels like I'm just dragging him through life sometimes.

After another day of him being miserable and non responsive to everything today, I asked outright 'do you want to split up?'. And he blurts out he doesn't know, he's been feeling like it's been over for ages, he feels guilty because he can see I've been making an effort and he knows he's been rejecting me and being a misery. Says he's been feeling like this for a year and a half or so. Swears blind there is nobody else, I think I believe him but I'm not 100% (learned that from here!). Says we are just flatmates, have nothing in common any more and he doesn't know if he loves me in that way any more. In some ways I shouldn't be surprised because I've obviously known things weren't right but him saying it still feels like a bolt from the blue and I'm obviously feeling hurt and rejected. I've asked him if he thinks he is generally depressed or whether it's the relationship (lack of) that's making him depressed.

I've said I would be willing to give it a go if he is, he says he's not sure. I said being unsure isn't really an option, I'm certainly not going to be hanging about while he makes his mind up. I've told him he either commits to trying, maybe look at counselling etc, or he moves into his mums house ASAP. She's 5mins away so would be easy in terms of maintaining contact with the kids and their routine etc.

I feel embarrassed at the thought of telling anyone in real life. I know I shouldn't, I have amazing friends and family, and in laws to be fair. I know in the event of a divorce that I'm the stronger person, I will survive and he will struggle. I will be worse off financially of course, but that can always be managed one way or another. If he had 50% custody he would struggle to cope/the kids would have a shit time just watching tv/being on ipads.

I don't know really, just wanted to write it all down and not quite feeling strong enough to tell anyone in real life right now.

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Serene135 · 27/05/2025 15:51

I hope you are okay OP. 🌸 If you are trying to save the relationship though I do wonder if it would be best not to ask him to stay with parents, tell family and friends that you are going through a hard time etc. It might cause bad feeling and embarrassment all round. Some people only do these things when the relationship is definitely over and the person needs support to process what has happened.

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 27/05/2025 16:16

Serene135 · 27/05/2025 15:51

I hope you are okay OP. 🌸 If you are trying to save the relationship though I do wonder if it would be best not to ask him to stay with parents, tell family and friends that you are going through a hard time etc. It might cause bad feeling and embarrassment all round. Some people only do these things when the relationship is definitely over and the person needs support to process what has happened.

Thank you, I thought the same at first but I just feel a bit traumatised today. I needed to talk to my friends and family. And I couldn't keep it together in front of the kids so needed someone to pick them up.

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Gettingbysomehow · 27/05/2025 16:37

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 27/05/2025 12:02

I'm not making excuses but I had 2 in 18 months, breastfed them both and then obviously had to go back to work so just did what I needed to do to get by. In the end up, I was either pregnant or breastfeeding non stop for 4 years. In all honestly our bed is massive and comfortably fits the 2 of us and the kids. But anyway, the main reason for the separate beds is his horrific snoring, which he has always refused to address. Despite the fact he can't stay out of the doctors for every single other minor ailment he has/invents.

Whst is it with men and not seeking .medical help for snoring. I would literally smother a partner who snored with a pillow.

S0j0urn4r · 27/05/2025 16:56

Get legal advice so you're prepared if the counselling doesn't help.

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 27/05/2025 17:18

Gettingbysomehow · 27/05/2025 16:37

Whst is it with men and not seeking .medical help for snoring. I would literally smother a partner who snored with a pillow.

It's so incredibly selfish.

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S0j0urn4r · 27/05/2025 17:35

Ex and I had separate rooms due to snoring. Was supposed to be for a few weeks while he checked out some treatments. (I was exhausted due to lack of sleep and I had fallen asleep at the wheel for a second on the way to work which scared me).
He used the time in his own room to meet people online etc, etc. So we never moved back.

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 27/05/2025 23:38

S0j0urn4r · 27/05/2025 17:35

Ex and I had separate rooms due to snoring. Was supposed to be for a few weeks while he checked out some treatments. (I was exhausted due to lack of sleep and I had fallen asleep at the wheel for a second on the way to work which scared me).
He used the time in his own room to meet people online etc, etc. So we never moved back.

I'm so sorry, that's terrible behaviour.

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S0j0urn4r · 28/05/2025 11:05

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 27/05/2025 23:38

I'm so sorry, that's terrible behaviour.

It was. But it was also the catalyst I needed to divorce after years of abuse.
Every cloud...

SheGotOffThePlane · 28/05/2025 11:07

Stop fucking quoting the full OP. We know what you're replying to, FFS.

lightslittle · 28/05/2025 11:13

I haven’t read all the replies but has anyone suggest he get his own counselling as well as couples counselling. To me sounds a bit of a mid-life crisis and the relationship with a bearing the brunt of the blame.

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 28/05/2025 14:18

lightslittle · 28/05/2025 11:13

I haven’t read all the replies but has anyone suggest he get his own counselling as well as couples counselling. To me sounds a bit of a mid-life crisis and the relationship with a bearing the brunt of the blame.

I think he needs this too. I don't doubt that he has been unhappy with the relationship but I think there is more to it.

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ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 10/06/2025 09:03

Just thought I'd come back with an update- he spent 2 nights at his parents, then we went for a walk and talk and agreed to both make a go of things and do therapy etc so he came home. Things have been better, both made an effort to spend a bit more time together in the evenings, both being nicer. Had sex a couple of times. Had the first counselling session which was just us both airing feelings and no surprises in what we both said. Next sessions are individual but not for another few weeks due to her being on hol/our work commitments.

Still feeling very vulnerable and insecure. Still not 100% sure what I actually want and so busy with work I feel like I'm just pushing it to one side for now which I know isn't healthy.

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Koazy · 10/06/2025 09:08

Whatever happens at least you’ll know you’ve tried. Good luck to you, I genuinely mean that x

BiggySwish · 10/06/2025 15:45

This will be a long process so you need to be kind to yourself. Has he acknowledged to impact his words and behaviour has had on you, and how it has affected your trust in him?

BernardButlersBra · 10/06/2025 15:48

Thanks for the update. Thinking of you. I hope the counselling pays some dividends and you can get back on track long term

DiamondThrone · 10/06/2025 16:02

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 10/06/2025 09:03

Just thought I'd come back with an update- he spent 2 nights at his parents, then we went for a walk and talk and agreed to both make a go of things and do therapy etc so he came home. Things have been better, both made an effort to spend a bit more time together in the evenings, both being nicer. Had sex a couple of times. Had the first counselling session which was just us both airing feelings and no surprises in what we both said. Next sessions are individual but not for another few weeks due to her being on hol/our work commitments.

Still feeling very vulnerable and insecure. Still not 100% sure what I actually want and so busy with work I feel like I'm just pushing it to one side for now which I know isn't healthy.

That sounds positive, OP.

In my experience of counselling, you have to be prepared to listen to the other person's side. It can't be all "He's awful, how do we deal with that".

Best of luck.

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 10/06/2025 16:05

DiamondThrone · 10/06/2025 16:02

That sounds positive, OP.

In my experience of counselling, you have to be prepared to listen to the other person's side. It can't be all "He's awful, how do we deal with that".

Best of luck.

Yeah that's going to be a learning curve for me!

In the first session she said it sounds like neither of you have made any time for the relationship, which is true, but it really annoyed me that she was treating it as an equal problem. My time is taken up by work and kids and housework, his is taken up BT work, gym, running, cycling, overtime to pay for the expensive car he wanted....

But then I guess I'm expecting too much validation from it.

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DiamondThrone · 10/06/2025 16:08

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 10/06/2025 16:05

Yeah that's going to be a learning curve for me!

In the first session she said it sounds like neither of you have made any time for the relationship, which is true, but it really annoyed me that she was treating it as an equal problem. My time is taken up by work and kids and housework, his is taken up BT work, gym, running, cycling, overtime to pay for the expensive car he wanted....

But then I guess I'm expecting too much validation from it.

Try not to "expect" anything from it. Just go with the process.

DiamondThrone · 10/06/2025 16:09

She has already said this:

it sounds like neither of you have made any time for the relationship,

And it does sound like a bit of a rebuke to your DH? You're just not getting that.

Y2ker · 10/06/2025 16:15

OP, not sure if this is helpful but I have now been separated for 8 years (although I was the one in your husband's shoes) and on reflection this is what I would say:

  • if you can both agree to not 'blame'you will have much healthier and useful discussions
  • you will both have a better future because of what is happening now. It will be painful, but something you have to get through
  • Focus on the positive things you can do to help the kids during this phase
  • Not everything has to (or should) happen immediately. You can do your work project. Set a time limit for either when you want the new normal to be eg. Start of the new school year might be sensible.
  • Although you feel that this is being done to you, it may be helpful to acknowledge that there is truth in what he's saying and that he has been the one to rip the plaster off.
  • What really helped was not to see the relationship as a failure just because it didn't last forever. It worked and was good for a good while and you have some great children and good things to show for it.
  • Don't listen to the noise about what you should be feeling etc. Know that you will do what's right for the kids.
ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 10/06/2025 18:26

Y2ker · 10/06/2025 16:15

OP, not sure if this is helpful but I have now been separated for 8 years (although I was the one in your husband's shoes) and on reflection this is what I would say:

  • if you can both agree to not 'blame'you will have much healthier and useful discussions
  • you will both have a better future because of what is happening now. It will be painful, but something you have to get through
  • Focus on the positive things you can do to help the kids during this phase
  • Not everything has to (or should) happen immediately. You can do your work project. Set a time limit for either when you want the new normal to be eg. Start of the new school year might be sensible.
  • Although you feel that this is being done to you, it may be helpful to acknowledge that there is truth in what he's saying and that he has been the one to rip the plaster off.
  • What really helped was not to see the relationship as a failure just because it didn't last forever. It worked and was good for a good while and you have some great children and good things to show for it.
  • Don't listen to the noise about what you should be feeling etc. Know that you will do what's right for the kids.

Thank you thats really helpful ❤️. I still think he has gone about things in a bad way but you're right that the plaster did need to be ripped off and acceptance and work is needed from both sides.

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ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 18/08/2025 19:55

Back again with an update. We have now had 3 joint counselling sessions (and 2 individual ones). Things have been a lot better at home- both been making an effort to work on the things we have both raised as issues. Holiday etc went well. Sex getting back on track.

I am finding the counselling so painful- to me it feels he is just bringing up petty examples of my behaviour, almost clutching at straws type stuff. I still feel furious that before the last couple of years he just shut down and checked out rather than facing the issues and bringing up the things he felt I wasn't doing until I basically forced him to by asking him outright what was going on. I'm half tempted to sack off the counselling because it brings up so much painful emotion and I almost feel like it's working in his favour as I am naturally more emotional and he is coming across much calmer. I still have so much anger towards him and how he has behaved. I keep reading the counselling can get worse before it gets better, anyone been through it and can advise? One thing I've been thinking but have been scared to bring up is wondering if it's best to put a time limit on these things. But then it seems insane to say 'if you're not in love with me again by 1st Jan, let's decide to split?!'. But I don't know how long I can live with the uncertainty of wondering how long we will keep going and trying? I feel sick and my stomach is churning all the time with the anxiety of it all.

I know I would eventually be fine on my own, but it's not what I want. I can't stand the thought of the upheaval for my children amd seeing them have to pack up and move between 2 homes. I really feel like the issues can be overcome. At the same time, I can't go through life on edge wondering if my husband loves me again yet.

Not really sure the point of the post other than to get it all out and wondering if anyone else is currently in the same scenario?

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AlertCat · 18/08/2025 20:25

Do you love him still, or is the thought of separating painful more for the kids’ upheaval? Do you both know what you want from the counselling, do you have ideal outcomes and are they the same as each other’s?

ThisPoisedGoldGuide · 18/08/2025 20:44

AlertCat · 18/08/2025 20:25

Do you love him still, or is the thought of separating painful more for the kids’ upheaval? Do you both know what you want from the counselling, do you have ideal outcomes and are they the same as each other’s?

Yes, I still love him. I think he has behaved really poorly and I'm really angry with him. But I still love him, he's a good man and I really think it would be a mistake to split. I'm just finding this rejection so painful and the thought of investing so much into working things out and then still being rejected at the end of it is horrifying.

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OchreRaven · 18/08/2025 20:48

Has he reiterated that he doesn’t love you in your joint sessions? I’m not sure that is easy to come back from. What did your counsellor say about it? I totally understand not wanting to be vulnerable and open just to have your heart ripped out if he decides he won’t love you again. I think this is what you should be talking about in your sessions. Ultimately petty things can fixed. If he doesn’t love you it’s not fixable.