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Help me figure out how to tell him

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TwinklingPotato · 19/05/2025 11:52

Hello!

Let me preface this by saying I'm fairly sure I have Stockholm Syndrome, at least on a lower level. My friend showed me some stuff on it and yep, it makes sense..

I have been with my partner almost 13 years. We are unmarried, no children. He owns our home outright (inherited).

I moved in quickly, after a few months. I'd lived with him around 6 months, living off of my savings and his. We had fun, we laughed, it was new and exciting. He then said he didn't feel I was bringing enough to the table, that I should get a job, which I did. I have worked ever since (albeit in various positions climbing a ladder I didn't even realise I was on!). I now earn a good wage for my career.

He is (was) self employed. He stopped working with any regularity within a year of me moving in. The work dried up to some extent, he stopped looking, too. He said he would do the house up (it was very old fashioned!).

For the last three years, he's submitted a zero tax return, before that, he earned less than £2k per year (and that was largely the Covid payments he got, which shows how little he earned before that). I have paid 100% of the bills, food, gifts, all and any purchases for a decade.

He's done the bathroom (not 100% there but more or less), and 70% of the living room. He's also created two spaces for himself in two of the 3 bedrooms. One is a workshop, the other is a room for his hobby.

He is now working on his hobby, because he can, and because I have indulged him. He hopes it will make him some money (it's creative). Since 202 it hasn't, but it has cost (me) a lot in equipment, subscriptions, and software.

He sees no need to get any kind of paid employment. Because if he did, that would mean he would spend the weekends working on the house because he'd be out working all week, and then there would be no point being in a relationship.

Lots of this has come to a head for me recently, and I am really resenting it. I really don't enjoy my current position and would like to leave. doing so would mean a pay cut and he's not a fan of that. He'd rather I was unhappy because it supports us both really well.

I have been looking at houses to rent and have found one, and I really want to go for it.

However, I am racked with guilt and uncertainty.

  • Is it better to stay where I am, and keep paying for everything for us both, but not have to worry about paying rent. Though I can't decorate or hang pictures etc., it's very much his house.
  • I'm worried about him and how he will survive. He's in his 50s, so my sane mind knows he'll be ok and that he's not my responsibility, but my attached mind is concerned and putting him before me.
  • I've sacrificed marriage and having children to sustain this relationship for this long. It started with promises that went nowhere, and now I am childless and in my 40s.
  • If I don't praise him he gets angry, if I ask him to consider getting a job, he says that would mean the end of the relationship.

I know the right thing to do is go, I just don't know how to. I don't know what to say to him. I don't want to hurt him or throw accusations at him. I've allowed the situation, too.

How should I word it, what shall I say? When? Should I wait until I have somewhere to go, or tell him before? Or should I stay?

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annonymousse · 04/06/2025 18:03

Just came here to say please do not be manipulated into giving him another chance. He's an adult and is responsible for his own decisions that have led him to being in the position he is going to find himself. His mental health is not your responsibility and you owe him nothing.

FumbDucker · 04/06/2025 18:27

You owe him nothing OP, you have more than paid your dues in the relationship respect, he owes you a happy goodbye but you’re not going to get that as your life together is a living example of him not paying his dues.

Grab what you can and just go. He can have a text explanation out the blue and it’ll be more than he deserves.

FlameoftheWest · 04/06/2025 18:31

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 04/06/2025 17:59

@TwinklingPotato "He went out for a walk yesterday evening, on his own, while I had a bath. When he got back he said (due to a loss he suffered a couple of years ago of a beloved animal) that it wouldn't take much for him to end it all now. Now, I don't thin he is suicidal, not at all, I think he uses those words and that kind of emotion to get an empathy and sorrow for me, to seek out control by appearing vulnerable. That's what I'm up against here."

It's good that you see this. He is DEFINITELY going to use this tactic to drag you back. You have to prepare yourself for it: if he says he's going to kill himself, CALL THE EMERGENCY SERVICES. To explain why, I'm going to quote a Zawn Villines article on this exact topic:

"When your abuser threatens suicide
Threatening suicide is a common abusive tactic. But the risk is also very real--and could extend to you and your children.

Abuse is fundamentally about control. And one of the most powerful ways to control someone who loves you is to threaten your own death. This is why abusers, especially abusive men, may weaponize their mental health, threatening suicide when they sense they are losing control.

One 2019 study found that intimate partner violence is a factor in nearly half of all suicides. A 2022 study found that suicidal threats and behavior can be a “deliberate and calculated response by which some men sought to maintain influence or control over women.”

If your partner threatens suicide every time you try to leave, or even every time you demand that he do a fair share of household labor, you are not alone. You are not the problem, and you’re not the abusive one.

So why does this happen, and what can you do?

The dynamics of suicide threats—and why they can be so effective

Men who threaten suicide to get what they want are asking women to make a simple choice: your life or his. And patriarchy tells women we must always choose the man’s life over ours. It tells us we’re abusive monsters for even considering our well-being over his.

Suicide threats don’t have to be overt to work. I’ve spoken to hundreds of women who avoid taking certain actions—calling CPS or the police, divorcing their abusers, telling their husbands no, declining sex—because they fear their abusers may become suicidal. I’ve written before about how the threat of violence lurks in every unequal relationship. All men benefit from the violence many women experience, because the threat of that violence will always influence women’s behavior. We know what men are capable of, even when an individual man never shows us what he specifically is capable of. We know we can never be truly safe.

This same phenomenon extends to suicide. Women know that suicidal men are potentially dangerous to them and to their children. We also know that men blame us for their emotions, and that society may blame us for a man’s suicide or act of self-harm...

So when a man threatens suicide, he is not just threatening suicide, but all that comes with it. He’s threatening he might kill you, too...

It doesn’t matter whether he is genuinely suicidal or not. When he wields the threat to convince you to stay, talk to him, have sex with him, or otherwise give him what he wants, he is being abusive.

He is asking you to choose him over you—and often, to choose him over the well-being of your children, too. You must always choose yourself and your children in this scenario. Because giving him what he wants will only ensure more threats and more control down the road. And it certainly won’t cure any underlying mental health issues....

Take the threat seriously

All threats of suicide are serious threats, even if he has a history of manipulation.
This is because there is simply no way to distinguish an earnest threat from an attempt at manipulation.

If he is earnest in his intentions, then he needs help you cannot give him. And he deserves that help, because everyone deserves a chance at redemption and healing. Ensuring he gets that help is an act of decency, not cruelty.

And if he is being manipulative, he’s much less likely to continue wielding this threat if you take it seriously and he has to answer to someone else about his behavior.

Call for emergency help every single time he threatens suicide. Document the threat... call emergency services.
Every. Single. Time."

https://zawn.substack.com/p/when-your-abuser-threatens-suicide

So OP, to repeat: if he threatens suicide, CALL THE EMERGENCY SERVICES.

And listen to the alarmed PPs here: do NOT attempt to have a reasoned discussion with him about why you are leaving just before you do leave. He may be triggered to act impulsively and dangerously, either against himself or you. Leave WITHOUT DISCUSSION (there is nothing to discuss anyway), tell him via text, and then warn his mother. If he threatens suicide, IMMEDIATELY CALL THE EMERGENCY SERVICES.

That's the kindest thing you can do for him, OP.

This 1000% .
Please just go ASAP , no drama or sit down discussion or final goodbye.

GiantSaucepan · 04/06/2025 18:46

Have you planned how you’re going to leave @TwinklingPotato ?

There’s no shame or disrespect in quietly packing your things, saying a cheerful goodbye in the morning, heading to work—and then going straight to your new home that evening. After that, you can send him an email to explain you’ve left, and then block his number. At this point, you don’t owe him anything but you do owe it to yourself to keep you safe.

This way would be safer and cleaner than telling him face to face. It isn’t cowardly. This isn’t a conversation. You’re not there to be abused further, to have your mind changed, to comfort him, or to be manipulated. It’s not up for discussion. And if you don’t return to the house, he can’t follow you.

p.s glad you got your bed / mattress sorted 😃

Jellyrols · 04/06/2025 19:17

I would bet money he senses your detaching and is putting pressure on.

Abusers are extremely sensitive to their victims suddenly waking up to exactly what is going on.

They can smell it.

He senses your withdrawal, I really would bet on it.
Be very very careful.

Hide your car keys and have your phone with you always.

Be ready to move.
Could you have a bag with your essentials, clothes, tooth brush, charger, make up, in the boot?

pleasetaketheadvice · 04/06/2025 20:32

OP, I’ve name changed for this post. I’ve been watching this thread from your very first post, willing you on, so pleased you are taking steps to get free but also worrying about you. Recent posts about his potential for violence may seem extreme, or may seem like, no matter how bad he is, he simply isn’t capable of THAT. So I wanted to share a little of my story.

I was with my exDH for 20 years when I left him. After I left him, I realised what a gaslighting, controlling prick he was but didn’t realise before. I just knew I was deeply, deeply unhappy. He’d never shown a hint of violence before.

The night I left him, he raped me. When I spoke to a friend who is a police officer afterwards, he told me that it is very common for domestic violence to rear its head for the very first time just as woman leaves or tries to leave. And he warned me that it would be unlikely to be a one off now that it had begun and that, statistically, exDH would almost certainly go on to be highly abusive.

It took 7 years before he finally left me alone. He couldn’t get to me physically but the abuse took many, many other forms. So please, dear OP, listen to the wise words of other posters and do not do this alone. Having a male colleague in car at the end of the road won’t do you much good if your DP comes at you with a knife or a fist. Sorry to sound dramatic. But it is well known that a man is never more dangerous to a woman than at the moment she leaves him. And I am living proof. Leave a note or have a colleague in the house when you do it. Please. 🙏

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 04/06/2025 20:40

Please, I beg you, @TwinklingPotato, take the advice of the many women who have been there before you and leave quietly, quickly, without confrontation or letting him know what you’re doing. If I were you, honestly, reading all these other women’s experiences in similar situations, I would ghost him. Forget your scruples, you don’t need to be a victim. Put yourself first, for the first time, it seems, in this relationship. Go now, without a backwards glance. Sleep on a hard floor in a sleeping bag, but GO!

apostrophewoman · 04/06/2025 21:00

OP, where are you based? I’m sure people nearby would be happy to help you, I know I would.

Monstersfromtheid · 04/06/2025 22:33

@TwinklingPotato I'm also worried for you now.
Please don't go starting or escalating any arguments. You don't even tell him you're going. Just get out.
If you really feel you have to tell him, have someone there with you in the room then walk out and don't tell him where. Listen to all those who found out the hard way.

Incakewetrust · 04/06/2025 23:48

Monstersfromtheid · 04/06/2025 22:33

@TwinklingPotato I'm also worried for you now.
Please don't go starting or escalating any arguments. You don't even tell him you're going. Just get out.
If you really feel you have to tell him, have someone there with you in the room then walk out and don't tell him where. Listen to all those who found out the hard way.

This! I’ve said this a couple of times on this thread.
His free ride is about to come to an abrupt stop and he might go to extreme lengths to stop that from happening.
Please please please have someone with you when you leave.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 05/06/2025 08:05

And the Theory behind it:About the Lizard Brain

The Lizard has not need for others – no need for relationship.
Lizards can live alone. The need for connection is in our mid-brain. When our Lizard takes over, it often shuts down that need for others. If you experience your partner suddenly acting as if they don’t have any need of you, probably their Lizard has taken over. This situation is what can lead to that horrific situation where a partner kills a partner because they are leaving. Clearly by killing their partner they are not getting connection, but at the time the Lizard just sees the other’s departing behavior as a life-death threat. Of course in 20 minutes or so the killer will wake up to the horror of what they have done.

FluentAquaMoose · 05/06/2025 09:20

Have you got most of your things out of the house? Have you got the clothes you are going to take? Makeup, toiletries etc can be purchased and so can other clothes. If you've got most things, then can you leave say tomorrow morning for work as normal and not go back?
As others have said, he is picking up on you shutting off emotionally and they can become unpredictable because his 'supply' is about to be cut off. he can stand on his own two feet but has chosen to control and manipulate you for these past 10 years.
Us on here will be so relieved when you have got out and got out safely. x

ClearFruit · 05/06/2025 11:04

TENSsion · 04/06/2025 16:25

We’re talking about an abusive man who is about to lose control of you.

Please don’t underestimate his rage.

Do not do this alone.

Please listen to this advice.

TwinklingPotato · 05/06/2025 12:50

Thank you, all.

I think, on reflection, and listening very carefully to what you have all said, I am just going to leave a letter for him. He's not around when I go to work, so I can take a few extra bits and that be that. It's only clothes, as a few of you have rightly said, and it will be quite liberating to get all new, anyway!

I am so sorry to the PP who experienced the awful situation when you tried to leave - it is scary, and I really hadn't considered he could be like that. There is some incredible reading on here, and the pattern of what leads men to murder their partners hit home scarily. He fits each of the markers.

I have a couple of days off next week, so I'll get up as normal and head to work, only I'll go there instead. When I have left, I will call his mum and tell her I've gone and left him a note, so that she can be prepared when he calls her.

My boss agrees with you all, and he is very supportive.

Thank you all again so, so much. You have no idea how much your support means to me.

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JaneWithTheUntidyHouse · 05/06/2025 12:58

@TwinklingPotato that's really good to hear. I wish you the best of luck.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 05/06/2025 12:58

Thank goodness for that !

but where is he in the mornings when you go to work ? and when does he get back.

Halo20 · 05/06/2025 13:11

OP you have been so brave and have taken the steps to leave.

Like everyone else on this thread I am worried for your safety and concerned that by waiting until next week you are putting yourself in danger. This man has been leeching off you for 10 years and if he realises his cushy life is ending he could become violent.

Is is possible to leave earlier? You can purchase a blow up matress but the main thing is getting out asap.

Sodthesystem · 05/06/2025 13:12

Good on you.

May be wise to take a photo of the letter. And a photo of it sat wherever you left it for him to find. So if needs be you can show the police you told him you were leaving. So he can't say you didn't tell him to leave you alone.

Incase he goes to the police all 'she's just vanished and I'm worried about her'. You can show them he's being dishonest and just trying to find you or stress you out.

TheDogHasFarted · 05/06/2025 13:18

Can't you just send an email, once you are safely out? That's what I'm going to do.

We 'celebrate' our 29th wedding anniversary this year, but I have no qualms about moving out while he's away with work and then sending an email once I'm safely in my new place. I've realised thanks to Mumsnet and some other resources, that my safety has to take priority over social niceties like feeling I 'owe' this person a face to face or anything else for that matter, despite our long relationship.

MounjaroMounjaro · 05/06/2025 13:20

Couldn't you take carrier bags of clothes into work, OP? It's hard to leave everything behind.

Do you have a Ring doorbell?

Sodthesystem · 05/06/2025 13:23

TheDogHasFarted · 05/06/2025 13:18

Can't you just send an email, once you are safely out? That's what I'm going to do.

We 'celebrate' our 29th wedding anniversary this year, but I have no qualms about moving out while he's away with work and then sending an email once I'm safely in my new place. I've realised thanks to Mumsnet and some other resources, that my safety has to take priority over social niceties like feeling I 'owe' this person a face to face or anything else for that matter, despite our long relationship.

Maybe he doesn't check his email.

I kinda get the letter idea... it wpuld maybe feel more...end of a chapter. Closure you know. For her.

But then, email makes sense too. Because lets face it, they just aren't owed any more niceties from us or faff or inconvenience.

Guess it just depends on what feels best to you.

Incakewetrust · 05/06/2025 13:26

Oh @TwinklingPotatoI’m so so so relieved to hear you’re going to leave a letter!
Just to be on the safe side, if he’s calm when you leave but asks to meet up to talk about it, don’t.
If it’s absolutely unavoidable, meet outside a police station - seriously.
My abusive ex was calm at first when I left but was soon stalking me with knives. He asked me to meet him and I said I would but instead sent someone he didn’t know to scope him out. He was there waiting with a knife.

Just keep as far away as possible.

Shesellsseashellsnotinmystreet · 05/06/2025 13:35

Rooting for you op. Ime there will be an actual feeling of black clouds lifting when you step into your new home and close the door..
Best of luck. You absolutely deserve a fantastic new life.

Fusedspur · 05/06/2025 13:48

OMG OP I’ve just read this from start to finish and am holding my breath! PLEASE stay safe. Make that your number 1 priority.

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