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What the hell happened and why do I care ?

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Usedtobeswimming · 21/04/2025 23:16

This is long.
In short - I feel like a naive fool and also very angry and confused , hurt and sad. I think that writing all this down in full and reading any responses is going to help me process and move on.

So DP and I met 10 years ago . We got to know one another slowly as we were both hurt by previous marriages. We eventually developed a very passionate bond, neither of us having had great physical relationships previously . I felt I’d found my person , and he said the same . We had young children of similar ages who met a year after we got together and eventually became very close.

We never lived together, but after our children had met and become friends , he moved to the village where we lived and we then spent most weekends and holidays all together with our children as well as having a shared hobby we did together without them .

The children are now late teens/ at Uni/ grown up. We had begun to discuss moving in together, probably once my youngest was at uni .

Then, just over two years ago, my eldest adult dc became seriously unwell and was eventually diagnosed with schizophrenia. There have been a lot of crises. Helping my dc and coping with this was - and is still- really challenging.

I was also diagnosed with PTSD ( DC crisis events and also childhood trauma ) and had intense therapy .

DP found all this difficult.Although he was supportive at first, I - understandably I think - could not simply put my feelings in a box whenever I was with him , or remain unmoved about or uninvolved in , my DC’s situation.

He said I was becoming “too emotional”, and that he couldn’t cope, and he started becoming distant and spending long periods “taking time out “ from being with me.

However we continued with our shared hobby and were loving and intimate when together, and I believed we were still in a loving and committed partnership and just having some tough times .

Then my youngest child, aged 14, was diagnosed with PTSD due to experiences resulting from eldest dc’s MH crises, and from being bullied at school about this . We had good support from services but the school didn’t handle things well.

So, last spring, I decided to move to a different area so that my youngest could attend a new school and live in a community where any further eldest dc mh crises would not happen immediately around us or involve anyone known to youngest dc.

Everyone -except DP- encouraged and supported this , including services supporting both DC’s and me, my friends and work colleagues .

So we moved here last summer holidays and are now 40 minutes away from previous area, and youngest is doing really well, taking GCSE’s and has lovely new friends . I am still able to support eldest dc whilst also maintaining boundaries for us all.

I now have a longer commute to my full time , professional job but have managed to get our new house sorted including new bathroom and kitchen , changed cars and organised the refurb and sale of a buy to let in order to fund everything .

As with everything ever , I’ve done it all without anyone to delegate anything to, although I have lovely and supportive friends both in new area and old, and fantastic colleagues at work. We had hot meals and baths and help during the refurb .

DP initially sulked and said I was being controlling by imposing distance on our relationship, and that he didn’t want to have to drive whenever he wanted to see me.

He wouldn’t help me with anything to do with selling and buying or moving and wouldn’t listen to me talk about it .

He then began to make excuses and wouldn’t meet up or visit during the summer as we settled in here, saying he needed space . I didn’t see or even hear from him for all of July and August . When he wouldn’t communicate at all about the August holiday we’d booked for us ,with all our children , that we’d arranged back in January, I started to face that he’d ghosted me .

I was really upset, but I put all my energy into settling us into the new house and area.

The new school term began and shortly afterwards, eldest DC very sadly was sectioned again.

DP soon began messaging asking if we were ok ,but wouldn’t reply to my questions about what had happened to our relationship, nor make plans to meet. This continued throughout autumn and winter .

I’m afraid the pattern then became me messaging and apologising for having moved, for having been too emotional and not prioritising our relationship.

He was sporadic in replying, saying I had hurt his feelings and he was afraid of further hurt . He kept describing me as “too emotional “ and saying I’d shut him out and driven him away , and that he needed space before seeing me but also said that he missed me and wanted us to meet “soon”.

I continued to apologise and plead with him to give us another chance.

He visited my eldest in hospital and communicated kindly with my other dc throughout this time .

At Christmas, he began asking to meet . He sent long apologies and sounded as though he’d really done some work on himself, describing his behaviour as avoidant and saying he no longer held me entirely responsible for our separation.

He said he loved and missed me and wanted to try again. We began to communicate about our shared hobby and to talk on the phone late at night , laughing and being loving again. It seemed we were rebuilding our connection .

He told me he’d “had a fling” during the summer which was why he’d stopped contact . He spoke about this as an experience that had happened in reaction to feeling abandoned by me and angry that I had not given him a choice in where I lived .
He said the experience had taught him what a good relationship we’d had and how he’d not worked as hard as he should have to support me and make it work .

Somehow, I became besotted with him in a way I had not felt before. I became almost obsessed with missing him and wanting us to be together . I kept this all inside , embarrassed to tell anyone .

In January this year, when youngest DC was away, and after talking to me on the phone all day ,he spontaneously and unexpectedly appeared at my door. There was a passionate “reunion” and we had a weekend together behaving like lovesick teenagers .

It was lovely and we agreed to take it slowly , and to gradually rebuild things .

He then messaged me morning and night with huge affection and it was like when we’d first got together .

He visited again a few weeks later and we had another “romantic and passionate “ time whilst my dc was away.
I then rang him the next evening and he cut me off , then sent a series of texts telling me not to ring him ,asking why I had and saying I must “stop behaving as if we are back together “ and then silence for several days .

He then sent a long email, telling me that he hadn’t been honest and that the fling had in fact been a relationship which he was still in the process of ending.

He went into long and uncomfortable details about how and why it was difficult due to her mental health and her children’s behaviour problems.

He told me that he’d joined a dating site when I’d said I was moving because he’d been angry and felt abandoned . He said he’d met someone immediately and had thrown himself into a relationship in order to get over me, and that she had seemed to be “calm and gentle “ and not “ overly emotional like me” .

He said this had changed quickly and that she was actually now even more over emotional than me and he had quickly regretted starting it but didn’t know how to end it .

She’d been in his car when I rang and saw my name flash up on his dashboard and he’d been in the process of ending things with her but because I’d rung, she now believed the ending was because of me.
He said I’d messed things up and he now couldn’t end it with her until time had passed because he didn’t want her to think he’d cheated on her or was leaving her because of me.

He said he would no longer meet with me because “it would be dishonourable to her “ but asked me to be patient while he ended things.

I was furious and told him I would never have engaged with him at all had I known he was with someone .

He sent endless , lengthy messages and voicemails begging me to hang on and saying how much he loved me and how bad he felt for messing his girlfriend and me around . He told me she was suicidal and that he felt trapped .
I didn’t engage .

Then one of my adult DC told me she had just been to a community event in my old neighbourhood and had chatted to a woman who’d recently moved to the area from 300 miles away to live with her partner whom she’d met online. They’d had a whirlwind romance last spring ,and he’d helped her to find a house to buy. This house is three doors down from the house I’d just moved out of.

Her partner came over and it was “DP”. He seemed embarrassed to see my DC and later made a point of speaking privately to her, saying he still loved me and wanted to be with me and was trying to end it with the woman .

He asked DC not to mention anything about me to her as she didn’t know there was any family of mine locally and he’d told her that we’d broken up in 2022 and had no contact since .

He said she had no idea that I’d lived so close to her new house or that my DC lived locally . He told her he’d not wanted to visit me, but that I’d constantly begged and put pressure on him to see my new house . He denied sleeping with me.

He actually went to my DC house on a pretext a few days later to repeat all this on the doorstep . DC is disgusted and she -and all my DC- no longer want anything to do with him.

So, this woman had actually been staying at weekends with him shortly after I’d begun plans to move, and had begun buying her house whilst I was still living three doors down , whilst I was still asking him why he was being distant and had no idea what was going on.

I know I should have cut all contact as soon as I heard this , but I’m afraid I sent an anguished email asking what the hell was going on.

He replied repeating his story that he loves me and that she is unwell and he’s supporting her until she gets back on her feet.

He said he feels responsible for her having made a life changing decision which has turned out to be a mistake and that although he doesn’t love her, he wants her to think well of him.
He said her family are furious with him and he doesn’t want to “look bad to everyone “ so is ending things gently and doesn’t want anyone to know about me. He still wants me to wait . Whatever that means .

So obviously I’ve now stopped communicating with him completely and realise that he is not someone to yearn for or miss.

But I’m really struggling because I am missing him and am trying to process how someone I loved and was so close with for so long can behave like this to me and to someone else too. I’m furious with myself for getting drawn into this and for sleeping with him whilst he was in a relationship. I’d never have engaged at all had I known.

I’ve known and loved this man for almost ten years . How did I get it so wrong ?

He’s obviously treated both me and this poor woman in an appalling way. Over many months . I really feel sorry for her . She has moved her family to a new area to be with someone she thinks is the love of her life , without knowing what he is up to behind her back or what his back story is .

But .He was my partner and our now almost adult children have grown up together.
I thought we’d get over this difficult time and settle down into retirement together .

I keep thinking he will contact me with some reasonable explanation and ask to meet up.
And I’m afraid that I might respond if he did . I haven’t spoken to anyone about this in real life as I am embarrassed at what has happened and how it has affected me. I feel like a fool .

We are all late 50’s and professionals, and yet this sounds like some bad teenage drama . I can’t get my head around how badly he has behaved or why I am still thinking about it all.

thank you if you’ve read all of this . It has helped to write it down , and posting it will help hold me accountable to myself if he does make contact again .

OP posts:
pikkumyy77 · 24/04/2025 12:26

Crikeyalmighty · 24/04/2025 11:52

@StrawberryDream24 I think that’s an incredible summing up - and very accurate- some friends in life can be like this too - they are there for the brunches and laughs and the fun weekend away - not so much there when times aren’t fun and easy and someone might actually want some help or to talk about stuff that isn’t light and fun - they are after an eternal Disneyland - I’ve noticed these people often can’t sustain relationships too or often long term friends

Eternal Disneyland is so good. Eternal Disneyland of the spotless mind. This helos me understand some friendships better.

GiantSaucepan · 24/04/2025 12:57

It would be hugely interesting to speak to the OW to hear her story - who he was with her, which version she gets, the framing of their relationship. I expect it would seriously reframe your view of your relationship and solidify some of the conclusions you’re currently drawing about him and what you can learn going forward - particularly about trust, what you demand of others and what your expectations are and should be of future partners.

dontcryformeargentina · 24/04/2025 13:24

Lucky escape. Move on. Don’t waste your time and energy on him anymore. Focus on yourself - best investment

SoOxon · 24/04/2025 13:25

the hive is buzzing in outraged anger with this one

the man is devious
there is no substance to him as a person

perhaps you could argue the new woman has a right to know
should you send her his and your emails this will give you closure
displaying his treachery, you being used and her being manipulated

burn sage in your house

get yourself checked for anything untoward lurking, std’s tell the truth

he is a slut

good luck OP with everything

we revere strong courageous capable women here on wonderful Mumsnet

Usedtobeswimming · 24/04/2025 14:16

Ah, I’d really like to have a sit down and chat with OW.

I wonder what on earth he told her that convinced her to move her family so far and so quickly after meeting him?

I’ve gone over and over the timeline as I understand it and even if he had been messaging and meeting her before she first came to stay with him, that would mean this was happening whilst he was staying regularly at mine, on holiday with me during February, and attending several family events .
Even if he did literally meet her online in March/April, I had no idea that we were actually separated until contact dwindled in June/ July. So there was a lot of crossover .

And his utter panic and concern that she might find out that he’d contacted me, never mind slept with me at mine over two weekends in January , suggests she has never had any idea how he has been behaving towards me.
He told her I was an ex from several years ago , according to what he said to my DC.

Honestly it’s this deceit and playing two of us off against each other that is so disgusting.
I’d want to know .
But I would really have to go to some lengths to inform her, and meeting face to face is unlikely . I’d rather she could see me and hear my tone of voice . I wouldn’t want her to read or hear such upsetting information by herself with no context.
She might think of me as malicious or mocking or wanting to hurt her in some way . I would hate for anyone else to go through what the last few months have been like for me.
And I won’t get any come back from him now that I’m here . She is there living with him and hasn’t been there long enough to have a network around her for support so would be more likely to believe anything he told her and to get drawn further in.
I don’t want any drama . This thread is helping me so much and I fully intend to hold my dignity and my silence, keep him blocked and move on .

What do I need to hold in mind for the future ? Well, that I am enough really. For my DC and also for myself . I know I have anxious avoidant traits and I thought I was managing these well by demanding little and living as independently as possible whilst enjoying what we had .
I’m of course older and I hope, wiser than when I met him.
I’m certainly less idealistic about relationships and family’s. I no longer have a crowd of DC to feed and organise and both my parents are dead so I’ve nothing to “prove” to them about having a good relationship. I do think there was a strong element of that in my mind at the beginning, as they were very judgemental of me as a divorced single mother. He knew this. I guess I did have vulnerabilities then that perhaps I don’t have now. Maybe that’s what made me attractive to him. He was the emotionally “strong” one when we met. I admired him and thought he was grounded and wise.

I need to focus on being content with what I have got in my life and who I am . It would be nice to have intimacy and affection and a companion. But he wasn’t providing or offering that last year once I’d begun plans to move . And that was when I really needed support and logistical help. And it wasn’t complicated or difficult to see what I needed - packing boxes etc . I honestly think he just couldn’t be bothered with the disruption to daily life on top of my focus having been on my children and my own mental distress / recovery re DC Mh issues and therefore less on him. And maybe as I got stronger and more confident, I became less attractive to him .
He has found someone to put him at the centre of her life and to move into my spot in the village to be on tap for him.
I hope she’s ok . I will be , I know .

OP posts:
Deathraystare · 24/04/2025 14:26

So her got hurtee feelings diddums and then his wondering cock went for a walk.

You have been dealing with a lot of things while he has been sulking and fucking. Let the idiot go. He is not worth it.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 24/04/2025 14:28

You will be fine.
I used to analyse everything but honestly I realised we each get one precious life. People like this man are not worth the headspace.
We try to look at timelines/motives etc but you are dealing with a chaotic man who doesn’t care about boundaries. He uses women. Yes, he might be good company now and again but that’s it.
Take positives. You had some good times and memories with your DC and his. That’s not lost.
But dealing with a man hopping between beds, future faking and lying, he just wants his ego boosted.

pikkumyy77 · 24/04/2025 18:32

I think the takehome lesson is that you got conned by a very plausible con man. He acted well for a long time precisely because he was insincere. So its not really the case that you could have spotted him as dangerous. He is like one of those animals that mimics another animal—his camouflage was really good snd the situation left him with lots of “away” space so he could act well when “on stage” with you and then retreat away off stage and have other relationships.

In the future if you meet someone just keep your standards high—as they were with respect to kindness, generosity, fun, intellectual compatibility. But also make sure that you don’t get into a casual or part time relationship where neither of you see the other in the round. Let him know you need support rather than trying to be superwoman (and you are superwoman, by the way.).

I really don’t think you should beat yourself up. He was a very clever predator. But do strengthen your instinct-what Gavin debecker calls your gift, your intuition about people.

DreamTheMoors · 24/04/2025 19:26

GeminiGiggles · 22/04/2025 06:26

You don't actually miss him. You miss the idea of and what/who you thought he was.

It’s always the idea of someone or the idea of a particular situation or the idea of a fantasy love that we manage to imagine, isn’t it, @GeminiGiggles?
I’ve been guilty of that myself in the past.

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