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What the hell happened and why do I care ?

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Usedtobeswimming · 21/04/2025 23:16

This is long.
In short - I feel like a naive fool and also very angry and confused , hurt and sad. I think that writing all this down in full and reading any responses is going to help me process and move on.

So DP and I met 10 years ago . We got to know one another slowly as we were both hurt by previous marriages. We eventually developed a very passionate bond, neither of us having had great physical relationships previously . I felt I’d found my person , and he said the same . We had young children of similar ages who met a year after we got together and eventually became very close.

We never lived together, but after our children had met and become friends , he moved to the village where we lived and we then spent most weekends and holidays all together with our children as well as having a shared hobby we did together without them .

The children are now late teens/ at Uni/ grown up. We had begun to discuss moving in together, probably once my youngest was at uni .

Then, just over two years ago, my eldest adult dc became seriously unwell and was eventually diagnosed with schizophrenia. There have been a lot of crises. Helping my dc and coping with this was - and is still- really challenging.

I was also diagnosed with PTSD ( DC crisis events and also childhood trauma ) and had intense therapy .

DP found all this difficult.Although he was supportive at first, I - understandably I think - could not simply put my feelings in a box whenever I was with him , or remain unmoved about or uninvolved in , my DC’s situation.

He said I was becoming “too emotional”, and that he couldn’t cope, and he started becoming distant and spending long periods “taking time out “ from being with me.

However we continued with our shared hobby and were loving and intimate when together, and I believed we were still in a loving and committed partnership and just having some tough times .

Then my youngest child, aged 14, was diagnosed with PTSD due to experiences resulting from eldest dc’s MH crises, and from being bullied at school about this . We had good support from services but the school didn’t handle things well.

So, last spring, I decided to move to a different area so that my youngest could attend a new school and live in a community where any further eldest dc mh crises would not happen immediately around us or involve anyone known to youngest dc.

Everyone -except DP- encouraged and supported this , including services supporting both DC’s and me, my friends and work colleagues .

So we moved here last summer holidays and are now 40 minutes away from previous area, and youngest is doing really well, taking GCSE’s and has lovely new friends . I am still able to support eldest dc whilst also maintaining boundaries for us all.

I now have a longer commute to my full time , professional job but have managed to get our new house sorted including new bathroom and kitchen , changed cars and organised the refurb and sale of a buy to let in order to fund everything .

As with everything ever , I’ve done it all without anyone to delegate anything to, although I have lovely and supportive friends both in new area and old, and fantastic colleagues at work. We had hot meals and baths and help during the refurb .

DP initially sulked and said I was being controlling by imposing distance on our relationship, and that he didn’t want to have to drive whenever he wanted to see me.

He wouldn’t help me with anything to do with selling and buying or moving and wouldn’t listen to me talk about it .

He then began to make excuses and wouldn’t meet up or visit during the summer as we settled in here, saying he needed space . I didn’t see or even hear from him for all of July and August . When he wouldn’t communicate at all about the August holiday we’d booked for us ,with all our children , that we’d arranged back in January, I started to face that he’d ghosted me .

I was really upset, but I put all my energy into settling us into the new house and area.

The new school term began and shortly afterwards, eldest DC very sadly was sectioned again.

DP soon began messaging asking if we were ok ,but wouldn’t reply to my questions about what had happened to our relationship, nor make plans to meet. This continued throughout autumn and winter .

I’m afraid the pattern then became me messaging and apologising for having moved, for having been too emotional and not prioritising our relationship.

He was sporadic in replying, saying I had hurt his feelings and he was afraid of further hurt . He kept describing me as “too emotional “ and saying I’d shut him out and driven him away , and that he needed space before seeing me but also said that he missed me and wanted us to meet “soon”.

I continued to apologise and plead with him to give us another chance.

He visited my eldest in hospital and communicated kindly with my other dc throughout this time .

At Christmas, he began asking to meet . He sent long apologies and sounded as though he’d really done some work on himself, describing his behaviour as avoidant and saying he no longer held me entirely responsible for our separation.

He said he loved and missed me and wanted to try again. We began to communicate about our shared hobby and to talk on the phone late at night , laughing and being loving again. It seemed we were rebuilding our connection .

He told me he’d “had a fling” during the summer which was why he’d stopped contact . He spoke about this as an experience that had happened in reaction to feeling abandoned by me and angry that I had not given him a choice in where I lived .
He said the experience had taught him what a good relationship we’d had and how he’d not worked as hard as he should have to support me and make it work .

Somehow, I became besotted with him in a way I had not felt before. I became almost obsessed with missing him and wanting us to be together . I kept this all inside , embarrassed to tell anyone .

In January this year, when youngest DC was away, and after talking to me on the phone all day ,he spontaneously and unexpectedly appeared at my door. There was a passionate “reunion” and we had a weekend together behaving like lovesick teenagers .

It was lovely and we agreed to take it slowly , and to gradually rebuild things .

He then messaged me morning and night with huge affection and it was like when we’d first got together .

He visited again a few weeks later and we had another “romantic and passionate “ time whilst my dc was away.
I then rang him the next evening and he cut me off , then sent a series of texts telling me not to ring him ,asking why I had and saying I must “stop behaving as if we are back together “ and then silence for several days .

He then sent a long email, telling me that he hadn’t been honest and that the fling had in fact been a relationship which he was still in the process of ending.

He went into long and uncomfortable details about how and why it was difficult due to her mental health and her children’s behaviour problems.

He told me that he’d joined a dating site when I’d said I was moving because he’d been angry and felt abandoned . He said he’d met someone immediately and had thrown himself into a relationship in order to get over me, and that she had seemed to be “calm and gentle “ and not “ overly emotional like me” .

He said this had changed quickly and that she was actually now even more over emotional than me and he had quickly regretted starting it but didn’t know how to end it .

She’d been in his car when I rang and saw my name flash up on his dashboard and he’d been in the process of ending things with her but because I’d rung, she now believed the ending was because of me.
He said I’d messed things up and he now couldn’t end it with her until time had passed because he didn’t want her to think he’d cheated on her or was leaving her because of me.

He said he would no longer meet with me because “it would be dishonourable to her “ but asked me to be patient while he ended things.

I was furious and told him I would never have engaged with him at all had I known he was with someone .

He sent endless , lengthy messages and voicemails begging me to hang on and saying how much he loved me and how bad he felt for messing his girlfriend and me around . He told me she was suicidal and that he felt trapped .
I didn’t engage .

Then one of my adult DC told me she had just been to a community event in my old neighbourhood and had chatted to a woman who’d recently moved to the area from 300 miles away to live with her partner whom she’d met online. They’d had a whirlwind romance last spring ,and he’d helped her to find a house to buy. This house is three doors down from the house I’d just moved out of.

Her partner came over and it was “DP”. He seemed embarrassed to see my DC and later made a point of speaking privately to her, saying he still loved me and wanted to be with me and was trying to end it with the woman .

He asked DC not to mention anything about me to her as she didn’t know there was any family of mine locally and he’d told her that we’d broken up in 2022 and had no contact since .

He said she had no idea that I’d lived so close to her new house or that my DC lived locally . He told her he’d not wanted to visit me, but that I’d constantly begged and put pressure on him to see my new house . He denied sleeping with me.

He actually went to my DC house on a pretext a few days later to repeat all this on the doorstep . DC is disgusted and she -and all my DC- no longer want anything to do with him.

So, this woman had actually been staying at weekends with him shortly after I’d begun plans to move, and had begun buying her house whilst I was still living three doors down , whilst I was still asking him why he was being distant and had no idea what was going on.

I know I should have cut all contact as soon as I heard this , but I’m afraid I sent an anguished email asking what the hell was going on.

He replied repeating his story that he loves me and that she is unwell and he’s supporting her until she gets back on her feet.

He said he feels responsible for her having made a life changing decision which has turned out to be a mistake and that although he doesn’t love her, he wants her to think well of him.
He said her family are furious with him and he doesn’t want to “look bad to everyone “ so is ending things gently and doesn’t want anyone to know about me. He still wants me to wait . Whatever that means .

So obviously I’ve now stopped communicating with him completely and realise that he is not someone to yearn for or miss.

But I’m really struggling because I am missing him and am trying to process how someone I loved and was so close with for so long can behave like this to me and to someone else too. I’m furious with myself for getting drawn into this and for sleeping with him whilst he was in a relationship. I’d never have engaged at all had I known.

I’ve known and loved this man for almost ten years . How did I get it so wrong ?

He’s obviously treated both me and this poor woman in an appalling way. Over many months . I really feel sorry for her . She has moved her family to a new area to be with someone she thinks is the love of her life , without knowing what he is up to behind her back or what his back story is .

But .He was my partner and our now almost adult children have grown up together.
I thought we’d get over this difficult time and settle down into retirement together .

I keep thinking he will contact me with some reasonable explanation and ask to meet up.
And I’m afraid that I might respond if he did . I haven’t spoken to anyone about this in real life as I am embarrassed at what has happened and how it has affected me. I feel like a fool .

We are all late 50’s and professionals, and yet this sounds like some bad teenage drama . I can’t get my head around how badly he has behaved or why I am still thinking about it all.

thank you if you’ve read all of this . It has helped to write it down , and posting it will help hold me accountable to myself if he does make contact again .

OP posts:
Usedtobeswimming · 22/04/2025 14:51

He moved to my village one year into the relationship. Nine years ago now .
And he had to move anyway . His flat was rented and his financial settlement from the family home was not enough for him to afford something with enough space for his children to stay had he stayed in the same town .
My village had cheaper houses , so he got more for his money . Plus me to provide the extras to his children and to him . He online needs me for his children.
But anyway , none of this matters now

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Bingbopboomboomboombopbam · 22/04/2025 15:05

@Usedtobeswimming he has had 9 years to be honest about his thoughts and intentions, instead he chose the cheating route to justify it in his head.

Usedtobeswimming · 22/04/2025 18:28

FagsMagsandBags · 22/04/2025 04:36

If it helps at all I think I'd feel how you are right now and it's partly because, I think, he's made a lie of so much of your time together. You thought you were with one person and everything in the last couple of years now says that he couldn't possibly have been the person you thought he was and who he told you he was because if that was true how on earth could he be this truly awful person he is now. It's clear, I think, that when it was good it was a really good relationship but I'm guessing that beneath the surface something was missing but because life was easier, mental health issues hadn't yet materialised, life went on, the something missing wasn't obvious because life was "normal" for want of a better word.

When life got slightly difficult you met this version of him but were doing everything for your DC so that he had to take back seat for a time. He could have been supporting you but he bowed out and worse decided he'd find a "less emotionally difficult woman" to give him a break from, what? Life as it really is? No thought for you, for your DC, for the other woman who was being brought into something she still knows nothing about. It was all what made life best for him and seems to have torn assunder any notion that he is a decent human being.

But once upon a time you thought he was. I would have thought that he was and oh it can be so hard to let go of that even when you have let go and are moving on and have been, may I say, such a wonderful mother to your DC when they needed you, you put them first.

Re the other woman. I think it's far too easy for us to say tell her/don't tell her. So, what you do is with you. You obviously owe her nothing but she's just another pawn in his ugly game of poor old me and these difficult women Chess. You don't have to talk to her or have anything to do with her because it's not your problem, but you want to because whatever he has said about you, he has said about her. She is difficult, he can't just leave her even though he wants to be with .... etc. It's painful to see him hurt someone else or to be on the verge of it because I'm seeing another woman moving to be closer to him and soothe his poor hard down by brow because it's all about you and her and every woman who wants more than nominal support. It's clear that you loved him and would have supported him if he'd been going through what you were. It's clear that you are an emotionally intelligent and caring person who is there for those she loves. It is also clear that he is a total fucking nightmare of a ballsac of shit and bile.

Do what makes you feel best within yourself. If that means talking to her, you're doing it through kindness and care and I wouldn't see it as being for any other reason. She is part of a toxic scenario that she has no idea exists. She's as innocent in wrong doing as you are, you just know more. Equally if you don't want to talk to her to tell her, that's fine because I know you must feel for her but you have done and did nothing to make any of this come to pass. In short, you need looking after and part of that is going to be you looking after yourself. Do what brings you the least pain and helps you move away from him emotionally, which will happen because you are so much stronger than you think and so much stronger than many of us responding to your lovely self. Gosh, I hope he gets what's coming to him and I'm looking forward to knowing from a distance that you will be fine and ultimately, try as he might, he won't be because he's an absolute fucking arsehole of an excuse for a man. He's a big fat piece of nothing and you, you're the sort of person we need more of in this messed up world of ours.

Thank you for this very kind and lovely comment. I have re read it many times today.

I have re read the whole thread many times .
It is so very helpful and strengthening .
I’m really grateful to everyone c

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outerspacepotato · 22/04/2025 18:46

You know those guys that dump their wives when the wife is diagnosed with cancer?

That's your ex.

His need to be put first and be the focus of your lives is more important to him than the fact you were dealing with a serious diagnosis and events in your family that caused you guys trauma. You were there to make things easy for him and when you couldn't, he was off to the next woman. He lacks empathy and is extremely selfish and his relationships are transactional. While you were doing for him, you didn't see that part of him. He's also a lying liar who lies so not at all trustworthy.

If you ever feel yourself getting sucked in, remember you can never count on this guy, he's just not a stand-up guy. Just block him and stop giving him any headspace.

Usedtobeswimming · 22/04/2025 19:04

When he first got back in touch , last November , I had the thought that he had waited until the upheaval of the move, the new school and the refurb were all settled , and was ready to come and be greeted as the prodigal partner , to enjoy the new house and step into the new area as an honoured guest.
Like “The Little Red Hen” - anyone else remember this children’s story ? The hen asks all the other animals to help her at every stage of growing and preparing the ingredients for a loaf of bread but they refuse . Then when the bread is baked, they all want to help to eat it .
Except he’s done worse than that .
If the OW approached me, I’d speak to her with kindness and restraint . But this is unlikely since we are not living anywhere near enough to bump into one another and my social media is very private and in any case minimal.
I do wonder about the ethics of allowing her to remain ignorant of information which could be very important and helpful for her to know. But as others have said , why invite drama . And she is an adult who has made choices . And he is definitely very convincing and I fully expect he would gain easy control of the narrative . After all, that is what he has already done . I have just chosen to step away from and out of it .

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Summerhillsquare · 22/04/2025 19:15

He's a dirty cheat, get yourself an STI test.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 22/04/2025 19:32

The OW will have sensed something. Let her follow her senses now.
The shaking and crying down the phone - performative. A don’t like throwing around ‘narcissist’ but if he isn’t one, I’d be surprised.
Men like this see women as props. They support. They have a co-starring role. They help with children. They provide sex and ego boosts.
But the measure of this man was shown when you needed to move. A decent man would have humped furniture, and hired a van, and been there for you.

Azandme · 22/04/2025 19:32

He's not "spiritual"... He's a pretentious twat.

Reading your first post, he's also a prime example of what I call a Wizbit in that he has massively sloping shoulders (80s kids show - Wizbit was a yellow triangle shape).

He literally said you were responsible for EVERYTHING, which is a) clearly untrue (see my earlier point re. twat) and b) grossly unattractive.

So, what he actually is is a slopey shouldered twat, a live out cocklodger, a cheat, a liar, and a manipulative tool.

You deserve way better than this specimen.

I'm sorry you are hurt, but very pleased he has revealed himself.

Usedtobeswimming · 22/04/2025 19:36

I hadn’t thought about getting tested . But thanks for the prompt . It makes sense :(

A quick google of “spiritual narcissist “ brought up a lot that fits
Uggghh silly me.
Horrid and pathetic man.

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Deixcheveaux · 22/04/2025 20:07

None of it’s your fault OP. He’s a master manipulator & anyone could have been abused by him. So difficult to just try & distance yourself & feelings from such a complicated relationship & memories. But waking up out of the fog will help turn your heathy angry defenses outwards from yourself & hopefully onto him for hurting you. We always blame ourselves but he really is the one to blame. Get angry & use that anger to get thoughts of him out of your life. He’s a con man pure & simple with a very sophisticated veneer that he uses to entrap & mistreat others. The spiritual, intelligent, feminist persona does indeed seem at odds with the narcissist he truly is. Thank god you are away from him.

BrunetteBarbie94 · 22/04/2025 21:13

OP I am so sorry you went through this shitshow. It sounds like you are experiencing cognitive dissonance in which your mind cannot make sense of the huge gap between who you believed him to be and who he really is.

You are clearly very intelligent and a great mum to your kids. Don't beat yourself up about this guy. How could you have known he would behave so badly?

Whatever you feel is valid, let yourself feel those emotions so that you can move past this relationship in time and never look back. Avoiding our emotions just delays the healing process (I know i've been there!)

He sounds like a covert/vulnerable narcissist - especially the way he needed to seek another woman immediately when all of your attention wasn't on him. It may help you to read up about those traits because it takes longer to get over an experience with a narcissist than any other kind of break up.

Sending you lots of love. You did nothing wrong.

P.S. It may be helpful to work out what made you a target for him. They love empaths without boundaries/vulnerability/any brokenness they can exploit.

Ifonlybaloney · 22/04/2025 21:32

As they say, when someone shows you their true colours, believe them!

AnonyLonnymouse · 23/04/2025 18:15

There's a sense I am getting from you that your style was probably very warm, very giving, perhaps quite domesticated, and perhaps that is what he picked up from you?

If in the early days you were round at his house and the oven timer rang, a pan started boiling or the dishwasher finished, would you leap to your feet and say: 'Oh, let me do it!' If you did do that, what would have happened if you had stayed sitting down?

Perhaps I am surmising incorrectly, but if you do form a new relationship it might be useful to look at any patterns of your behaviour that might lead the relationship down a particular path.

Usedtobeswimming · 23/04/2025 19:47

@AnonyLonnymouseI think that this is accurate . There was a year of dating/ meeting via hobby, before we introduced our children , and during this time I’d visit him at his flat when my DC were with their DF , or he’d come to mine . This now seems almost like I was with a different person , as his flat was immaculate and he’d cook and fuss over me , so it felt pretty equal.
But after he’d moved to my village, and our children began to get to know one another, I think I did do most of the work - cooking and planning and shopping for meals and tidying round and organising clothes and activities . It was always me who organised holidays and day trips and activities , and because I had a larger garden, we would most often be at my house having meals or outside having BBQ’s . We spent so much less time on our own without DC. And he didn’t keep his own house in anything like the beautiful tidy state he had maintained his - rented - flat . Probably because the flat was regularly inspected by the landlord and he wanted his deposit back . I used to change the beds / wash the linen at his house, because he never did . And I’d have to wash up and clean the kitchen before making meals.
I wouldn’t do this now , because in my mind, at that time, I was only doing what I would have to do for my own DC and me , and for any guests we might have.
if I’m honest, I think I was grateful to have them all with us as it was so much fun . He was very easy going and jolly and always up beat around the children and we had some really fun times . But he wasn’t an equal partner in any sense of the work and logistics of anything . And because I was so clear that we had separate lives and responsibilities beyond the immediate day to day stuff on each, separate visit or trip, I never addressed this . I’m not sure I even thought much about it. I just enjoyed having a happy gang and his company . I never had that as a child and never in my marriage either . That’s what I miss . The shared “family” times . They were more than “good enough “ for me - but yes, only by comparison with what I’d had before .
my older DC used to love visiting when he and his DC were at mine . It was the nearest any of us had got to experiencing a “two parent “ or “extended family “ situation . Of course it wasn’t one . But I’ve no extended family at all and my ExH family live overseas and so rarely saw my DC. Him and his children - and also his exW and many extended family members of hers and his would visit his or invite us to theirs . It’s more than we’ve had from anywhere else and it was always fun.
That is what is hard to let go of.
I know about “sunk cost fallacy “. And I know that I did shut off concerns about things I wasn’t entirely happy with in order to maintain the “ family times” and connections.
I was hoping for a future in which we would have shared grandchildren experiences and sit and share memories of shared experiences from when our children were young .
This is what I’m sad about I think .
Anyway
You are right to advise me to look out for this behaviour . Although my youngest is now almost 17 so that scenario won’t repeat again.
But I could I suppose, quite easily fall naturally into nurturing and domesticated behaviour in other circumstances.
However , right now I cannot really imagine being interested in anyone else , and at my age I don’t think online dating has anything to offer and the chances of a meeting in real life are slim given my lifestyle and contacts .

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Crikeyalmighty · 23/04/2025 23:32

@Usedtobeswimming when my 1st marriage split over 34 years ago I actually didn’t miss my H particularly ( my choice to split) but I so missed his extended family -exactly as you describe- my mum always said to me ‘it’s the family you want to marry rather than him’ and on reflection I think she was correct

Enough4me · 23/04/2025 23:45

When a long term relationship ends you have to grieve it, go through disbelief, sadness, anger, even when you accept it there will be triggers that can take you back (and the dream of what could have been).
But he's fake. Even if you sat him down and asked him all the questions you want answered, you wouldn't know you'd be getting the truth.
Better to live without him and be happy a user isn't leaching off your good nature.

AnonyLonnymouse · 24/04/2025 06:36

Reading your account of it, I think it was actually you who made the fun, family times happen. The cooking, caring and the planning are an integral part of it, whereas you seem to give him perhaps more credit than he deserves. It’s very easy to be upbeat and suggest getting the kids together for family fun in your garden and start up a game of hide-and-seek, but that would have faded when 6.30pm rolled around and everyone’s tummy started rumbling. You were an essential creator of the experience too.

Perhaps try to reframe those times as something that you created out of your own parenting and generosity, for your children and his children, rather than something that he brought you?

I think that you can have those family reminiscing times again, but you will be doing it with and for your own children and grandchildren.

Orollos · 24/04/2025 07:11

Yikes, what a story - it all sounds horrific and it makes you wonder what was the true story behind his marriage break up. I could the vibe he wasn’t a good man once he started sulking about you getting “emotional” and being unsupportive when your child was unwell too. The distancing himself from you without really saying what was going on was cruel too and it’s as if he wanted you hanging around as insurance in case it didn’t work out with the other woman.

Please do get an STD test and personally I’d send a note to the OW telling her to do the same even if it was anonymously. I understand you may not want to get it involved though for fear of backlash.

The challenge for you will be staying strong when he calls again sounding all contrite and pitiful. Just keep reading over this thread and journaling to remember what he’s done and how he’s made you feel. The man you thought he was all an act, it was a carefully constructed illusion and that is hard to deal with but important to reflect on. Try and think of him as the cold and dangerous stranger that he is in some ways.

Daisy12Maisie · 24/04/2025 07:22

Just worry about yourself and your children albeit with boundaries with the eldest.
He has shown his true colours and let you down when you needed him. If he wanted to end it he should have done that before joining a dating site. He only wants a relationship that’s convenient for him eg someone living more or less next door.
I think him calling you emotional is the same as when people put “no drama wanted” on dating profiles. The majority of the time it’s them causing the drama or in your case they aren’t being supportive so you are more emotional than if they had been helpful/ kind/ supportive. So it’s a him problem not a you problem. Whatever happens you can’t go back to how it was as that’s broken by his behaviour. Your children are now watching what you do so it’s really important to set a good example and stay away otherwise you are showing them that his behaviour is ok, which it isn’t. I would send him one more message and say something like “I understand what you are saying. I no longer feel the same way now someone else has been involved. I wish you and the kids all the best but I won’t contact you again.” Then block. If he turns up at your house just say I don’t want to engage with you I need time to heal. Don’t get into any sort of discussion as there is nothing to say. You may think there are things that are unresolved etc but no amount of chat or discussion will make any difference. One message then delete and block.
i wouldn’t seek out the other woman but if you ever bump into her or she asks then tell her the truth.
Good luck with the new house and new start.

Changeissmall · 24/04/2025 08:08

OP you sound bloody marvellous. Wise and wonderful.
I love this:
’but hoped - as ever - that my patience and understanding - and low expectations - would result in something “good enough”

You don’t need to put yourself out to keep a man. Sadly it’s unlikely you’ll find one worthy of you. Your ex sounds like many I know - desperate to keep their own self image of a blameless person but always fundamentally thinking of himself and not others.

Glad to hear you have good friends and a good job and your children are doing well. I recognise the guilt at not being able to give adult children that example of a stable and happy family home but it’s not your fault. You have been an amazing mother and your current example of blocking flaky ex is a good one for your girls.

I am another middle aged relationship cynic but couldn’t be happier on my own. I love it. There is no man I would sacrifice my peace for.

StrawberryDream24 · 24/04/2025 09:26

He was very easy going and jolly and always up beat around the children and we had some really fun times.

He can't/doesn't want to cope through anything challenging or not fun & easy though ....which kinda fits with this character.

I socialised for a while with a (twice) divorced guy for a while, he was a really fun grandparent to his grandson. Women looking at him would've thought he was great with kids and great fun.
He cheated on and left his first wife for his almost underage second wife. The second marriage didn't work out either (in spite of them sort of swinging/having threesomes etc and there no doubt being lots of "fun". He was trying to cheat with me (and no doubt others) with his gf of the time.

I know other "fun, upbeat" people who also run away - in a manner that would give Usain Bolt competition - from anything challenging/hard/sad ...they don't want to deal with it.

He couldn't be arsed when your eldest kid went through challenges and difficulties (and you second kid was affected). That's not fun and upbeat and easy. You were then too "emotional" because you dared to be affected by it. You're not allowed to be anything but calm, chilled, happy and upbeat (oh and a fully functioning domestic appliance of course).

The woman he cheated on you with ...likewise. How dare she show anything but chill, even keel, happy, upbeat-ness all the time.

He doesn't do real life.

He's a fair weather friend/partner.

No wonder he was divorced.

Ime most men end up divorced for very different reasons than most women do.

Usedtobeswimming · 24/04/2025 09:49

Thanks for your kind words @Changeissmall.
I do wonder whether I was a convenient person to live nearby when I and my DC were able to offer him and his DC so much . He certainly had an easy life when they were with him . And his becoming distant has coincided with the DC no longer needing or wanting to be with parents all weekend or holidays , as well as with the crises that have happened in my life .
The distancing and dating whilst still keeping me just about in contact , and then the sudden , intense attention after so many months, is what has been so upsetting . I was just getting used to life without him , almost completely used to him as an ex in my mind . I was hurt and angry , but because we were in a completely new area and life, with no memories of him and his DC, it was somehow easier to move on.
But then he came here for those two weekends , and behaved like he had at the very beginning of our relationship, when we’d not introduced our children. He was actually romantic and passionate and taking about a shared future and putting right / repairing what had been tricky . But of course when that was going on, he hadn’t told me he was actually still in a relationship with OW . Only that he’d “had a fling” . We went out to local places together , for drink and for food , behaving like a couple . Sat in my new garden and at my table . And I was quite carried away by feelings and excitement . Only to find out the reality . That’s the cruel part , and the part that has led to so much confusion , pain and over thinking.
Writing it all down and reading it back, with the replies , has really helped to show what it really was and is . Just his shabby, selfish , uncaring and unkind behaviour . All about him . The blatant and cruel lying is what has destroyed everything beyond repair. And he must be stupid as well, to think I wouldn’t find out the truth.
And involving my eldest DC in his lies - or trying to.
@AnonyLonnymouse Thank you. I am going to work on reframing my memories of all our adventures as my own plans and events , with him as visitor and passenger . Which factually , he was . He didn’t play any part in organising or arranging anything . We even travelled in my seven seater a lot of the time , so he didn’t even have to drive . I’ve been thinking back on all this so much since starting this thread, that I am beginning to find it hard to believe that I didn’t demand more from him . I’m already cringing at some memories and starting to find anger emerging .
He presents himself as so spiritual and ethical and yet he has literally had the best years of my DC childhood and my energy as a mother , only to back off as soon as times got tough and I started to ask more of him . And then to look for and quickly find a new woman once DC needs change and my location is less convenient - but to keep up both around to see which one works out . I can imagine him expressing outrage and concern at hearing about any of his friends having an experience like the one he’s given me and his new girlfriend. He’d be first in line to soothe and condemn.
I can’t recognise the man I thought he was . I just have to get used to the real version of him , because this is not someone to miss and want to be with.

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Usedtobeswimming · 24/04/2025 09:52

@StrawberryDream24 This is so accurate. Absolutely spot on .
Thank you .

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Crikeyalmighty · 24/04/2025 11:52

@StrawberryDream24 I think that’s an incredible summing up - and very accurate- some friends in life can be like this too - they are there for the brunches and laughs and the fun weekend away - not so much there when times aren’t fun and easy and someone might actually want some help or to talk about stuff that isn’t light and fun - they are after an eternal Disneyland - I’ve noticed these people often can’t sustain relationships too or often long term friends

Crikeyalmighty · 24/04/2025 11:57

@Usedtobeswimming you sound fab - him ? He sounds somewhat shallow. I find many people in life want to be around fun entertaining people which is great but aren’t so keen if any more serious issues rear their head and require their help/input. As you say , I think it suited him at the time - and now I think he fancies keeping you sweet and on the hook because he knows you care and always good to have one in reserve- it doesn’t mean he didn’t care about you or like you a lot, I’m sure he did- he just doesn’t want to have to deal with anything ‘a bit heavy’