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What the hell happened and why do I care ?

109 replies

Usedtobeswimming · 21/04/2025 23:16

This is long.
In short - I feel like a naive fool and also very angry and confused , hurt and sad. I think that writing all this down in full and reading any responses is going to help me process and move on.

So DP and I met 10 years ago . We got to know one another slowly as we were both hurt by previous marriages. We eventually developed a very passionate bond, neither of us having had great physical relationships previously . I felt I’d found my person , and he said the same . We had young children of similar ages who met a year after we got together and eventually became very close.

We never lived together, but after our children had met and become friends , he moved to the village where we lived and we then spent most weekends and holidays all together with our children as well as having a shared hobby we did together without them .

The children are now late teens/ at Uni/ grown up. We had begun to discuss moving in together, probably once my youngest was at uni .

Then, just over two years ago, my eldest adult dc became seriously unwell and was eventually diagnosed with schizophrenia. There have been a lot of crises. Helping my dc and coping with this was - and is still- really challenging.

I was also diagnosed with PTSD ( DC crisis events and also childhood trauma ) and had intense therapy .

DP found all this difficult.Although he was supportive at first, I - understandably I think - could not simply put my feelings in a box whenever I was with him , or remain unmoved about or uninvolved in , my DC’s situation.

He said I was becoming “too emotional”, and that he couldn’t cope, and he started becoming distant and spending long periods “taking time out “ from being with me.

However we continued with our shared hobby and were loving and intimate when together, and I believed we were still in a loving and committed partnership and just having some tough times .

Then my youngest child, aged 14, was diagnosed with PTSD due to experiences resulting from eldest dc’s MH crises, and from being bullied at school about this . We had good support from services but the school didn’t handle things well.

So, last spring, I decided to move to a different area so that my youngest could attend a new school and live in a community where any further eldest dc mh crises would not happen immediately around us or involve anyone known to youngest dc.

Everyone -except DP- encouraged and supported this , including services supporting both DC’s and me, my friends and work colleagues .

So we moved here last summer holidays and are now 40 minutes away from previous area, and youngest is doing really well, taking GCSE’s and has lovely new friends . I am still able to support eldest dc whilst also maintaining boundaries for us all.

I now have a longer commute to my full time , professional job but have managed to get our new house sorted including new bathroom and kitchen , changed cars and organised the refurb and sale of a buy to let in order to fund everything .

As with everything ever , I’ve done it all without anyone to delegate anything to, although I have lovely and supportive friends both in new area and old, and fantastic colleagues at work. We had hot meals and baths and help during the refurb .

DP initially sulked and said I was being controlling by imposing distance on our relationship, and that he didn’t want to have to drive whenever he wanted to see me.

He wouldn’t help me with anything to do with selling and buying or moving and wouldn’t listen to me talk about it .

He then began to make excuses and wouldn’t meet up or visit during the summer as we settled in here, saying he needed space . I didn’t see or even hear from him for all of July and August . When he wouldn’t communicate at all about the August holiday we’d booked for us ,with all our children , that we’d arranged back in January, I started to face that he’d ghosted me .

I was really upset, but I put all my energy into settling us into the new house and area.

The new school term began and shortly afterwards, eldest DC very sadly was sectioned again.

DP soon began messaging asking if we were ok ,but wouldn’t reply to my questions about what had happened to our relationship, nor make plans to meet. This continued throughout autumn and winter .

I’m afraid the pattern then became me messaging and apologising for having moved, for having been too emotional and not prioritising our relationship.

He was sporadic in replying, saying I had hurt his feelings and he was afraid of further hurt . He kept describing me as “too emotional “ and saying I’d shut him out and driven him away , and that he needed space before seeing me but also said that he missed me and wanted us to meet “soon”.

I continued to apologise and plead with him to give us another chance.

He visited my eldest in hospital and communicated kindly with my other dc throughout this time .

At Christmas, he began asking to meet . He sent long apologies and sounded as though he’d really done some work on himself, describing his behaviour as avoidant and saying he no longer held me entirely responsible for our separation.

He said he loved and missed me and wanted to try again. We began to communicate about our shared hobby and to talk on the phone late at night , laughing and being loving again. It seemed we were rebuilding our connection .

He told me he’d “had a fling” during the summer which was why he’d stopped contact . He spoke about this as an experience that had happened in reaction to feeling abandoned by me and angry that I had not given him a choice in where I lived .
He said the experience had taught him what a good relationship we’d had and how he’d not worked as hard as he should have to support me and make it work .

Somehow, I became besotted with him in a way I had not felt before. I became almost obsessed with missing him and wanting us to be together . I kept this all inside , embarrassed to tell anyone .

In January this year, when youngest DC was away, and after talking to me on the phone all day ,he spontaneously and unexpectedly appeared at my door. There was a passionate “reunion” and we had a weekend together behaving like lovesick teenagers .

It was lovely and we agreed to take it slowly , and to gradually rebuild things .

He then messaged me morning and night with huge affection and it was like when we’d first got together .

He visited again a few weeks later and we had another “romantic and passionate “ time whilst my dc was away.
I then rang him the next evening and he cut me off , then sent a series of texts telling me not to ring him ,asking why I had and saying I must “stop behaving as if we are back together “ and then silence for several days .

He then sent a long email, telling me that he hadn’t been honest and that the fling had in fact been a relationship which he was still in the process of ending.

He went into long and uncomfortable details about how and why it was difficult due to her mental health and her children’s behaviour problems.

He told me that he’d joined a dating site when I’d said I was moving because he’d been angry and felt abandoned . He said he’d met someone immediately and had thrown himself into a relationship in order to get over me, and that she had seemed to be “calm and gentle “ and not “ overly emotional like me” .

He said this had changed quickly and that she was actually now even more over emotional than me and he had quickly regretted starting it but didn’t know how to end it .

She’d been in his car when I rang and saw my name flash up on his dashboard and he’d been in the process of ending things with her but because I’d rung, she now believed the ending was because of me.
He said I’d messed things up and he now couldn’t end it with her until time had passed because he didn’t want her to think he’d cheated on her or was leaving her because of me.

He said he would no longer meet with me because “it would be dishonourable to her “ but asked me to be patient while he ended things.

I was furious and told him I would never have engaged with him at all had I known he was with someone .

He sent endless , lengthy messages and voicemails begging me to hang on and saying how much he loved me and how bad he felt for messing his girlfriend and me around . He told me she was suicidal and that he felt trapped .
I didn’t engage .

Then one of my adult DC told me she had just been to a community event in my old neighbourhood and had chatted to a woman who’d recently moved to the area from 300 miles away to live with her partner whom she’d met online. They’d had a whirlwind romance last spring ,and he’d helped her to find a house to buy. This house is three doors down from the house I’d just moved out of.

Her partner came over and it was “DP”. He seemed embarrassed to see my DC and later made a point of speaking privately to her, saying he still loved me and wanted to be with me and was trying to end it with the woman .

He asked DC not to mention anything about me to her as she didn’t know there was any family of mine locally and he’d told her that we’d broken up in 2022 and had no contact since .

He said she had no idea that I’d lived so close to her new house or that my DC lived locally . He told her he’d not wanted to visit me, but that I’d constantly begged and put pressure on him to see my new house . He denied sleeping with me.

He actually went to my DC house on a pretext a few days later to repeat all this on the doorstep . DC is disgusted and she -and all my DC- no longer want anything to do with him.

So, this woman had actually been staying at weekends with him shortly after I’d begun plans to move, and had begun buying her house whilst I was still living three doors down , whilst I was still asking him why he was being distant and had no idea what was going on.

I know I should have cut all contact as soon as I heard this , but I’m afraid I sent an anguished email asking what the hell was going on.

He replied repeating his story that he loves me and that she is unwell and he’s supporting her until she gets back on her feet.

He said he feels responsible for her having made a life changing decision which has turned out to be a mistake and that although he doesn’t love her, he wants her to think well of him.
He said her family are furious with him and he doesn’t want to “look bad to everyone “ so is ending things gently and doesn’t want anyone to know about me. He still wants me to wait . Whatever that means .

So obviously I’ve now stopped communicating with him completely and realise that he is not someone to yearn for or miss.

But I’m really struggling because I am missing him and am trying to process how someone I loved and was so close with for so long can behave like this to me and to someone else too. I’m furious with myself for getting drawn into this and for sleeping with him whilst he was in a relationship. I’d never have engaged at all had I known.

I’ve known and loved this man for almost ten years . How did I get it so wrong ?

He’s obviously treated both me and this poor woman in an appalling way. Over many months . I really feel sorry for her . She has moved her family to a new area to be with someone she thinks is the love of her life , without knowing what he is up to behind her back or what his back story is .

But .He was my partner and our now almost adult children have grown up together.
I thought we’d get over this difficult time and settle down into retirement together .

I keep thinking he will contact me with some reasonable explanation and ask to meet up.
And I’m afraid that I might respond if he did . I haven’t spoken to anyone about this in real life as I am embarrassed at what has happened and how it has affected me. I feel like a fool .

We are all late 50’s and professionals, and yet this sounds like some bad teenage drama . I can’t get my head around how badly he has behaved or why I am still thinking about it all.

thank you if you’ve read all of this . It has helped to write it down , and posting it will help hold me accountable to myself if he does make contact again .

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Usedtobeswimming · 22/04/2025 09:55

And I do feel angry , as well as quite vengeful today .
I’m going to have to let go of the need to tidy all this up with him , to
look for closure with any further contact .
He is blocked and I won’t be contacting him again .
I guess it is nice to know that I still do have those sexual feelings after all that has happened . He is not the one to experience and explore them with.
I don’t feel inclined to look for someone else at this point. I’d rather work on regaining my balance and putting all this into the past . Ironic, as I now have more free time for myself than I’ve had in almost 30 years . But it’s going to be time for me , not some manipulative user .

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AutumnFroglets · 22/04/2025 10:06

Of course you feel angry, you were conned. It is what you do with that anger that counts now. Go running, learn kick boxing, scrub the house to within an inch of its life and redecorate it so no memories are left of him. Release it and then be glad that you can no longer be conned.

I don’t feel inclined to look for someone else at this point.
Do the freedom programme before you do. It will strengthen your boundaries and teach you to walk away sooner from men like him. Treat yourself to the course as a birthday gift (and a spa day).

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 22/04/2025 10:09

You poor thing. I know you don't need my sympathy, but you have it. This man is an expert!

How long did he expect you to go along with his 'gently ending his relationship' with the other woman? It sounds to me as though his mental image of you is one of someone who will passively put up with his nonsense and accept whatever he says - which makes me fear for your acceptance of stuff during your relationship that might not have been true.

But you are free from it now. Don't tie yourself into knots trying to explain his behaviour to yourself, he did stuff because he could. You had good times which you can look back on without analysis, stick to thinking about those and forget all the duplicitous shit. And leave him to stew.

scoobysnaxx · 22/04/2025 10:15

What a pathetic loser who can’t take any accountability.

sack him off for good.

blaming woman for being too emotional what a joke.

BobbyBiscuits · 22/04/2025 10:16

Please please please just block him. He's a manipulative, cheating, lying, dickhead.

MrsKeats · 22/04/2025 10:44

God who needs all this drama? Just block him.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 22/04/2025 10:49

Gosh, what a time you’ve had of it.
Firstly, you are a fantastic mum and you have done the best for your DC.
Secondly, this man is a pig. And considering his age, he probably always had been. I am sure you have had some ‘good times’ but it’s at his behest.
When you needed help moving, he was nowhere to be found.
He will continue to be an absolute pig but I’d keep out of his business, including this woman. You’ve been through enough.
Ten years is a long time. You are grieving a loss here but with no contact, you will heal.
If he returns in some way, he will continue to hurt you.
You don’t want be 60, and then 65, and being treated like shit.
And take some time. You are very vulnerable right now, and idiots like this one know it. You don’t want another one.
You have a life of your own with good friends. Take yourself out of this exhausting drama and let him live it elsewhere.

cocobeaner · 22/04/2025 11:04

He sounds awful and actually like he's pretty much used you the whole time, now that you've laid out some of the logistics of how your relationship functioned prior to your daughter having health problems.

Also, he doesn't want to upset this new woman because she has issues but is perfectly happy to upset you, despite you having spend the best part of a decade together and having plenty on your own plate?! He doesn't want her to think he's ending it because of you, but is fine letting you know that he's ghosting you because of her? Nah, sorry this isn't your "person".

You sound like you've got your head screwed on generally and are a really excellent parent, just be glad that you never entered into marriage or joint property with this guy and can now move on with a clean break to focus on yourself and your children. You are never going to get the answers or closure you need because he simply isn't capable of being honest, so I'm afraid you need to try and let that go.

AnonyLonnymouse · 22/04/2025 11:18

Well, the only thing I would say for the self-serving, cheating fucker is that he is environmentally friendly.

He really doesn’t like driving far for a shag. Preferably only sex within walking distance!

He probably did love you in his own way. It’s just that it’s not a way that would ever have centred you and your relationship.

Sorry that you had to find out about all this. Ignorance might have been, if not bliss, somewhat closer to it…

Usedtobeswimming · 22/04/2025 11:34

Thankfully , I have been geographically out of this drama for almost a year now .
We’ve been back and forth to our new area at weekends since last May, and moved in permanently last August.
I hadn’t seen him at all since last March. It was messages only until these dwindled in July.

I have seen him only on those two brief visits, during January. Lots of messages etc but no contact.
And I blocked him back at the start of this March .
My problem since then has been confusion, frustration and sadness - and my thoughts going back over it all, particularly at night when I’m not distracted by life .
Throughout the ten years, there have been so many emails, voicemails and message exchanges , fewer phone calls . At times very intense and full of plans and promise . But actual time together has been limited. And a lot was with all our children together . So perhaps I did create something in my own head out of what was in fact even less than I thought I had.

I guess there is a link to my relationship with and the loss of my mother - someone who was confusing and inconsistent and never able to be there for me when I needed her - and who I constantly tried to fix, forgive and understand .
Being capable and independent has helped me survive as well as keeping me isolated from real intimacy . My ex husband is neurodivergent and was also unable to meet my emotional needs - or even to tolerate that I had any emotions at all.
Much like when I was a child, I’ve met my own needs and managed down my emotions , putting everyone else’s first. I don’t have personal experience of an equal, caring partnership . But I do of course know - academically- that this relationship has not been one. And I probably did always know this at some level, but hoped - as ever - that my patience and understanding - and low expectations - would result in something “good enough”

Of course I would not want any of my daughters to experience never mind settle for this . I’m sad that I haven’t been able to demonstrate a healthy relationship for them.

But I can demonstrate how to walk away . I have done this already. It’s just my own grieving that needs my acceptance now . Probably for all the relationships I’ve had since birth that haven’t given me anything near to what I needed and deserved.

Of course I don’t need or want any drama and I won’t look for or accept anything more from him at all.
Reading the replies on this thread will help me if the thought loops start up again .

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Sparkling2006 · 22/04/2025 11:52

This man has sociopathic tendencies.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 22/04/2025 12:03

OP have you thought of therapy now?
I think it would help you so much.
Often in relationships as adults we try to ‘fix’ our childhood experiences.
And someone as bright and capable as you are, as well as intellectually astute, you are trying to process the behaviours of others who are so different to you.
I am so sorry this has happened to you.
This man will go from person to person to get what he wants, with no thought of the hurt he is causing.
You will never be able to ‘get’ him or get closure from him, where he sits and explains himself.
The only thing you can do now is seek your own.
I am a similar age to you and while it’s not young, it’s not old. You have many more years to go.
Be kind to yourself. You know the friends who stepped in with beds and warm meals? They are your tribe.

nonmerci99 · 22/04/2025 12:15

I am so, so sorry this happened to you. What vile scum this man is. There are no excuses for how he’s treated you, a woman he has claimed to love for so many years, and the fact he is still stringing you along is despicable. You are well rid of him, but that won’t make the pain of this huge loss any easier to bear. Only time will. Sending you a big hug.

Usedtobeswimming · 22/04/2025 12:25

Lol at “ environmentally friendly “
I think you are right and that he just wants some kind of a “woman appliance “facility on his doorstep . She’s there now , so whatever other issues there may or may not be, that relationship is now the most convenient .

He considers himself a highly “spiritual “ person . In an alternative frame that overlaps with our shared hobby. He is extremely good at discussing and sharing thoughts and ideas about this. He comes across as deeply insightful , thoughtful , kind and non judgemental. Quietly charismatic perhaps . He does present as someone who is trying to live a very ethical , aware and conscious life. He has many female friends who go to him for advice . He drops everything to go off and help others . That’s why it was so shocking when he dropped me suddenly just when there were very clear logistical things I needed practical help with.

I had begun to consider that I might actually be “over emotional” and “too much “
and to question myself . That’s why I was apologising to him so much .

I have booked to see my last therapist again next week.
He isn’t here . He hasn’t been here for a long time . So what ever I am experiencing is my own now . And I need to focus on sorting myself out .

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mindutopia · 22/04/2025 12:28

Ah yes, I had one of these sort of ex’s once. He was always “helping women with mental health problems” and couldn’t possibly put healthy boundaries in place because they would have another breakdown and he was just being a good friend. This included a student of his (he was a uni lecturer) who started sleeping over on the sofa because she was “going through a hard time”.

And the alcoholic work colleague who rang him so drunk that she couldn’t remember where she lived, so he invited her to get on the train and travel 30 minutes to the other side of town and join us for my romantic birthday dinner (just the two of us on a date at 8pm, and drunk girl from work 🙈). That was the final straw. I walked out and was done. I moved out. Drunk work girl moved in 2 weeks later because apparently she got fired and lost her accommodation, which was provided through the university, because she was such a hot mess. They then suddenly were in a relationship and it just happened because he felt so bad for her. 🙄

Anyway, HE sounds really bloody over emotional and not able to control his emotions and set healthy boundaries. This will never feel okay again. Time to cut him loose. It’s very fortuitous that you moved house. A nice clean break.

pikkumyy77 · 22/04/2025 12:39

Usedtobeswimming · 22/04/2025 12:25

Lol at “ environmentally friendly “
I think you are right and that he just wants some kind of a “woman appliance “facility on his doorstep . She’s there now , so whatever other issues there may or may not be, that relationship is now the most convenient .

He considers himself a highly “spiritual “ person . In an alternative frame that overlaps with our shared hobby. He is extremely good at discussing and sharing thoughts and ideas about this. He comes across as deeply insightful , thoughtful , kind and non judgemental. Quietly charismatic perhaps . He does present as someone who is trying to live a very ethical , aware and conscious life. He has many female friends who go to him for advice . He drops everything to go off and help others . That’s why it was so shocking when he dropped me suddenly just when there were very clear logistical things I needed practical help with.

I had begun to consider that I might actually be “over emotional” and “too much “
and to question myself . That’s why I was apologising to him so much .

I have booked to see my last therapist again next week.
He isn’t here . He hasn’t been here for a long time . So what ever I am experiencing is my own now . And I need to focus on sorting myself out .

Your description of him screams “community” or covert narcissist. They get their narcissistic supply by being publicly praised for their good deeds/evolved selves/feminism/anti racism ir whatever is the flavour of the day in terms of charitable or public good. They mirror you snd borrow or imitate your good qualities (your hobbies, your philosophies, your ideas). They work hard to support the facade but will withdraw and collapse when the audience leaves. You were not a sufficient audience once your attention was on your child and you were no longer available for sex and showing off.

In re the emails I think you should see them as crafted, outward facing, self presentations which he may have written more for himself than you snd he may have shared with more than one person. He may have plagiarized your ideas for other women, or other’s words for you. I think you can’t assume that was the real him. But it was the real you. And you sound wonderful!

AutumnFroglets · 22/04/2025 12:40

I guess there is a link to my relationship with and the loss of my mother - someone who was confusing and inconsistent and never able to be there for me when I needed her - and who I constantly tried to fix, forgive and understand .

Sounds like all your relationships are in one sense carbon copies of your mother's and you are trying to find a closure of some sort with her. Sometimes we repeat things until they make sense. I wouldn't bother exploring this relationship with the therapist until you have spoken about unresolved feelings from your childhood. I suspect you might get the light bulb moment quicker that way.

Flowers
PeggyMitchellsCameo · 22/04/2025 12:42

I have a friend whose husband helps lots of ladies through all sorts of struggles. Gosh, he’s so helpful he’s like a drop-in clinic.
At home, he’s an abuser. I have seen the messages he sends, how he controls, puts her down, calls her every name including the most offensive ones. He is a very dangerous man, I don’t want to into more details, but these men attract women by playing the spiritual guru.

Maitri108 · 22/04/2025 12:52

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 22/04/2025 12:42

I have a friend whose husband helps lots of ladies through all sorts of struggles. Gosh, he’s so helpful he’s like a drop-in clinic.
At home, he’s an abuser. I have seen the messages he sends, how he controls, puts her down, calls her every name including the most offensive ones. He is a very dangerous man, I don’t want to into more details, but these men attract women by playing the spiritual guru.

These guru types are often the worst. See also male feminist and brosocialist.

Bingbopboomboomboombopbam · 22/04/2025 12:58

@Usedtobeswimming my ex was exactly like that. In a country with high levels of domestic violence, he seemed like an oasis in the desert. Kind, understanding, easy to talk to, liberal and non-shaming.

Turns out it was all just a façade to access women. Young women and girls at that. He eventually died and got away with it, but those men just figured out a way to get an endless supply of women and use them as it’s convenient. I was the one he used to play happy families, while cheating on me from the very start and eventually me leaving when he moved someone else in (while me and DD were having breakfast).

ChiliFiend · 22/04/2025 13:01

What happened: you were in a relationship with an untrustworthy, self-interested and spineless man.
Why you care: because you are human; you acted with love and kindness and expected and deserved it in return.

There is no good reason for all this deceit and subterfuge; he's not a spy. He's just afraid of having the honest conversations that are necessary to show respect to the women in his life. You sound very self-aware, and you have also been through so much with your children. You deserve better. Throw him back.

justasking111 · 22/04/2025 13:02

He sounds like my BIL who blows through women using various dating sites. We've met some of them, lovely women who've sold properties because they thought he was the one, the money has been spent on holidays etc, when they won't treat him anymore he bails. Moving onto the next vulnerable woman.

Women are warned about the holiday romance guy but not the home grown version.

Usedtobeswimming · 22/04/2025 13:13

This is very interesting . Guru type is a good description.
He always seemed so sensitive and easily hurt , so empathic and so in balance and aware. A feminist even .
None of that fits with the behaviour of the past year . So it must have been fake . And that is disturbing and really uncomfortable. Sinister and creepy .
Last month he sent voicemails in which he’s been weeping and saying how ashamed and sorry he is . Whilst maintaining the same position of needing to look after her but wanting me to wait as I’m the one he really loves . But yes , all of that is about him -his self pity , poor him, his reputation , his needs and future wants etc

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Spooky2000 · 22/04/2025 13:23

Putting it succinctly, he's a twat of the highest order. A coward, a liar, a cheat. He's thinking of himself and how he looks in this situation and not of the impact on you, the kids or on her. It's allll about him. He's fed her the same line that he fed you, regarding his ex - no reason why he wouldn't do that again as it's worked before, hasn't it.

In a similar situation, I did indeed contact the 'new' GF and sent her all the conversations between us and the dates we were together. Made little difference other than she dumped him for a bit, but it made me the 'bad guy' and he passed it off as my being a vengeful, stalker ex - he bullshitted his way out of it, basically. If you must send something, just say "if things don't seem to add up to you then here are my details should you wish to discuss" and leave it in her court. Some women don't want to know and maintain the illusion :shrug:

You've been taken in by an utter twat and he's the one to blame, not you. He thinks you've not enough self-respect to exit out whilst he bides his time and makes a decision. Make it for him and don't look back. He will come running, but try to block him out and off - you have enough on your plate without another child! Emotionally immature little man. 😤

BangersAndGnash · 22/04/2025 13:46

Well, it must have been blow to him that you moved away without involving him in that decision after he had moved to be in the same village as you.

But after that his behaviour has been terrible.

It was good while it lasted, it wasn't to be - you had serious issues to deal with over and above your relationship, he wasn't up to the job, you got on with it and left him behind, he behaved like an opportunistic cocklodger. Without the lodging bit.

Look after yourself, support your kids, look forwards.