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Was it an emotional affair?

106 replies

OpenPeachMaker · 14/04/2025 12:41

Married almost 15 years, together 25, 2 kids.

looking for some perspective, good relationship for most of our married life, he has been a great father, great husband and we have worked great as a team over the years. Never had any doubt about his loyalty or love for us.

things changed last year when I felt he had checked out of family life somewhat. He had received a job offer which he was really unsure about taking. He dithered for weeks over this new job but barely spoke to me about it just replied ‘I don’t know yet’ when I asked if he had decided to take it or not. I had no issue with him turning down the job but would have liked to be part of the conversation. I then found out he had been messaging a current female colleague over his doubts and thought process and ultimately decided to stay in current job. I asked to read the messages between them and he let me. I was hours reading them, one day I counted over 80 messages between them but in fact there was another day 150 messages were exchanged between them. All seemingly innocent, nothing untoward but she would send him pics of herself and her cats and dogs which he would give the love heart emoji too and he would send pics of our dog. They would exchange likes and dislikes, movie suggestions, book recommendations, follow up to see what they thought of them. They would discuss issues at work and share work gossip. It was a slow build up of a few messages here and there over 12-18 months until it got to the level it got to. He would also buy her chocolate or treats and leave as a surprise for her if she had helped him out with something in work, she would message to say thank you.

understandably I have taken this very badly. It’s a reflection on our relationship that he has given this much time and effort to another (much younger single) woman.

he has apologised and said it was too much but that at the time he didn’t see that and doesn’t see it as an emotional affair. He can’t understand why I keep bringing it up and feels it should be dealt with.

I’m struggling to get past this. I need to understand why? But we are 8 months down the line and the hurt is still there, he still works with her and still in contact but tells me not to the same extent. He says she’s his ‘best friend’ and he needed someone to talk to about it. I don’t understand why I couldn’t be the one he talks too.

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OpenPeachMaker · 15/04/2025 12:35

@CountryTunes this has crossed my mind and I have asked the question many times but of course he denies this.

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OpenPeachMaker · 15/04/2025 12:39

@Daydreamingforever … I can’t even remember the specifics of the messages, I think I was just in shock at the sheer volume of them. Every now and then the contents of some of them will come back to me. I would like to read them again with a clearer head and see do I still read the same tone into them. At the time I felt he was pushing for her to say she didn’t want him to leave but in fairness to her she replied a few times saying he needed to do what was best for him and his family.

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MinnieDelight · 15/04/2025 12:49

I’m baffled by some of the responses here.

If my husband was having an intense conversation about his job choices with a female colleague over and above discussing that with me in detail that would be a massive red flag. Yes her professional view is perfectly reasonable to ask for, but as his wife his work / income / day to day life of work impacts you. I can’t conceive of being left out of that and I doubly can’t conceive of my husband going to someone else instead of me for that advice! As a sounding board among many, maybe - but sounds like he barely discussed it with you.

And messaging anyone more than 10 -15 times a day every day max if it’s a close friend I would say is bordering on obsessive- by the time it’s reaching 150 just the sheer amount of time and mental energy that must take means she’s in his thoughts for the majority of the day. That’s not normal or healthy. You and the kids meanwhile are being pushed out as there’s no mental energy left for you.
I’d be very uncomfortable with my husband developing a work friendship with a colleague that turns into best friends with this level of intensity. Friendships outside marriage shouldn’t be this intense. Friendships at work that are this intense are unprofessional. Even gifts I think is crossing the line, particularly in a work context.

He either genuinely doesn’t see an issue - which is an issue in itself as he clearly doesn’t understand boundaries, loyalty or what is important to you and sacrosanct in your marriage. Or he does realise it’s wrong but doesn’t want it to stop as he likes her too much so is blaming/ denying etc. Either way this is a problem and you are well within your rights to assert your boundaries here.

Sadly though Op, you might not like the outcome of doing that.

Swirlythingy2025 · 15/04/2025 12:51

I see you've found yourself ensnared in a delicate web a web that, by its very nature, resists straightforward unravelling. You ask, "Why?" You seek answers, explanations, perhaps even reconciliation. But, as I've learned sometimes the answers we want are not the ones we deserve.

Now, let’s break this down in a way that would make even Frank Underwood proud. I can hear the echoes of your frustration, the sting of betrayal, and the dissonance between your expectations and the reality that has unfolded. For years, you and your husband have been a team a unit that has weathered life’s storms together.

A great father, a loving husband. But now, the cracks have appeared, and they are sharp enough to cut through the trust you once had.
Your husband’s actions or rather, his lack of action regarding his job offer were the first signs of something shifting. He dithered, he hesitated, and worst of all, he kept you in the dark. That in itself is a failure of communication, but it’s not the root of the problem.

No, my dear, the real issue lies not in the job or the career path, but in how he began to divide his emotional labor. When the messages started to flow, when the gifs of cats and dogs started to replace those intimate, private moments between the two of you, a subtle shift occurred.

I won’t tell you to forgive him that’s something only you can decide. But I will tell you that relationships are not only built on the physical bond, the shared experiences, or the children.

No, they are built on trust and trust is a delicate, fragile thing. Once it’s broken, even if mended, it’s never quite the same again.

Now, he claims it was "nothing" a friendship, a harmless exchange, the kind of thing anyone would do to relieve the tension of professional and personal life. But therein lies the problem.

You see, the very act of him seeking emotional refuge in someone else and not you speaks volumes. His need for validation, for understanding, for companionship outside your union is the point of contention.

What’s most telling is not the 150 messages, the love heart emojis, or the thoughtful gifts it’s the fact that he never once considered you as the person he could confide in, the person who had been with him for years, who has seen him through thick and thin.

You’re right to ask why he couldn’t talk to you. Why? Because there’s a gap that’s opened, one that wasn’t there before, and he has filled it with someone who could offer him something you no longer did.

Whether it’s emotional intimacy, a sense of being understood, or simply the novelty of a fresh connection it doesn’t matter. What matters is that in his eyes, she became the "best friend," the confidante, while you were sidelined. You were relegated to the position of spouse without input, without voice in the most critical conversation of his career, his future, and his emotions.

Here’s where we pivot: Relationships are not static, my dear. They evolve, and sometimes, one partner chooses to evolve in a different direction.

Your husband’s response, his inability to understand the depth of your hurt, suggests he’s already moved past the emotional investment in this incident. He sees it as “over” and wants it left behind. And that’s the disconnect the emotional work that you need to do in order to heal will not happen on his timeline.

You are still in the process of processing, and while he may have apologized, it doesn’t undo the erosion of trust that’s occurred. His words now, his insistence that it should be "dealt with," is a plea for normalcy. But normalcy, in this case, may be a lie a façade to avoid the deep, uncomfortable work of reconciling the shift that has happened.

Your emotions are justified. This is not just about messages or affection for another person; it’s about feeling irrelevant. And that’s the wound that’s hardest to heal. He cannot grasp the weight of it, because he never truly comprehended how deeply this action would wound the very foundation of your shared life.

It’s easier for him to minimize it, to push it into the past and demand that you let go, rather than sit with the uncomfortable reality of what his actions have done.

People often seek validation, approval, or affection where it’s easiest often outside their primary relationships. It’s human nature. But it’s also a betrayal of the trust that binds a partnership together. The fact that he still works with her, still maintains that friendship, only compounds the issue.

The power dynamic here has shifted. He has power in this "friendship," and perhaps, you feel powerless in your marriage.

To answer your question, no he will never truly understand your perspective unless he experiences the same emotional void. Until then, you are left to navigate the murky waters of mistrust, confusion, and the difficult task of either healing or moving forward.

It’s time to decide whether you will sit at the table and fight for what you deserve, or if you will allow this imbalance to continue to poison your relationship.

So, my dear, take the time you need. This isn’t a simple issue of miscommunication; it’s a matter of emotional priorities, and until those are realigned, the hurt will remain. Your next move is critical.

GeorgeTheFirst · 15/04/2025 12:53

It was a betrayal, he has apologised but that has not met your need for acknowledgment. I think you need some couples counselling so that you both feel heard. It will be an investment in your marriage

Munnygirl · 15/04/2025 13:02

Dobbysdad · 14/04/2025 15:50

I'm a similar time frame on from something very similar. She depends/ed on him emotionally far too much for me to feel comfortable. I expressed this to him multiple times but the messages, calls etc continued. He eventually put in some boundaries with her but never saw that the constant messaging, going to her house, meeting her parents, going out for breakfast daily etc were a problem.
I've not really been able to get passed it tbh, I've felt a betrayal because he was emotionally available to her and not to me. On the surface things seem innocent but I would describe it as an emotional affair.
I don't have any answers but I'm so sorry you're going through it.

This is not appropriate behaviour from a married man. I am appalled for you

Gundogday · 15/04/2025 15:14

CountryTunes · 15/04/2025 12:23

It has just dawned on me that his work colleague may be the main reason he turned down a new job. If so, the situation is dire.

Yes, that thought crossed my mind also.

Sashya · 15/04/2025 15:18

Pamspeople · 15/04/2025 05:56

I'm curious about what would count as an emotional affair for you, if not this man's behaviour? Genuine question, because to me this is exactly what an emotional affair looks like!

To me - an emotional affair would be something that looks like it's going in a direction of an actual physical affair. Deep conversations about relationships, and life. Married partner complaining about how unhappy they are in their current relationship. Talking about likes and dislikes - turning flirty and sexual. Dreaming about being together and possible future. Etc.
Exchange of pet pics and discussion of job changes - however in-depth - to me are not affair territory.

And - intention also matters. No one who is in emotional affair territory would be happy to just hand over their messages. Because they'd know that the messages would be obvious of their intentions. The H in question was not worried - and disclosed the messages. He clearly had no intentions and was not building this friendship up towards anything.

I'll repeat that to me it all seems like he had a "work spouse" - and didn't want to bring work stress back home. Maybe also enjoyed having a bit of autonomy - as long relationships can get stifling and it's normal to wish for reclaiming a bit of our individual selves. The amount of messages is a little excessive - and to me it's an indication of him being lost in navel gazing, and enjoying mulling things over pedantically.
I can not speak to the intention of the woman and whether or not she was engaging in this because she had hopes vs because she was lonely and it made her feel needed. But her intentions are not the issue here.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 15/04/2025 15:48

He's married. If he has a 'work spouse' then he isn't forsaking all others is he. He's engaged in a marriage like relationship with someone other tjan his wife. The very definition of an affair.

Why are so women so keen to defend disloyal, shitty men?

MMmomDD · 15/04/2025 16:58

‘Work spouse’ is a jokey term that does not imply anything inappropriate. Just a friendly colleague people spend a lot of time with due to work setup.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 15/04/2025 17:21

It's not a joke though when the actual wife is at home in bits because of the relationship with this other woman. It's cruel.

CountryTunes · 15/04/2025 17:21

Sashya · 15/04/2025 15:18

To me - an emotional affair would be something that looks like it's going in a direction of an actual physical affair. Deep conversations about relationships, and life. Married partner complaining about how unhappy they are in their current relationship. Talking about likes and dislikes - turning flirty and sexual. Dreaming about being together and possible future. Etc.
Exchange of pet pics and discussion of job changes - however in-depth - to me are not affair territory.

And - intention also matters. No one who is in emotional affair territory would be happy to just hand over their messages. Because they'd know that the messages would be obvious of their intentions. The H in question was not worried - and disclosed the messages. He clearly had no intentions and was not building this friendship up towards anything.

I'll repeat that to me it all seems like he had a "work spouse" - and didn't want to bring work stress back home. Maybe also enjoyed having a bit of autonomy - as long relationships can get stifling and it's normal to wish for reclaiming a bit of our individual selves. The amount of messages is a little excessive - and to me it's an indication of him being lost in navel gazing, and enjoying mulling things over pedantically.
I can not speak to the intention of the woman and whether or not she was engaging in this because she had hopes vs because she was lonely and it made her feel needed. But her intentions are not the issue here.

I think this commentary is getting the wrong end of the stick and it is more something someone tells themselves to justify an emotional affair. How on earth could talking to another woman excessively be minimised to mulling things over? Massive red flag here. Please ladies, don't buy into these excuses.

thepariscrimefiles · 15/04/2025 17:27

MMmomDD · 14/04/2025 14:04

@OpenPeachMaker

I understand why you are feeling hurt. But at the same time - I also understand your H.
Would you feel the same if his work friend were male - and your H spent the same amount of time communicating and discussing his life/job choices with him?

I think the trouble you are having with this is that your expectation that your H should fulfil all his human interactions needs - friendship, emotional, communication, companionship, romantic, etc - with just one person (you).

And personally - I think its unrealistic and stifling. And over the course of long marriage - it can lead to a really lonely and insular place. At least for the partner who does not have it as his natural preference.

So - no. I do not think your H had an affair of any sort. And I do think that how you feel about it is your own issue to deal with. And it’s unfair to ask your H to drop a friendship he developed. I don’t think it’s wrong to have a non-sexual human connection to another person, while being in a relationship. It is not a threat to a marriage.

Have you even met the colleague? Personally - i’d have invited her over to your place so that you can meet her. If it were a male work friend - you’d do that, no?

I have read countless threads like OP's where the DH is constantly messaging a work colleague. Not once has it ever been a male collegue. The likelihood of OP's DH sending 150 messages a day, with pictures of his pets and heart emojis to a male colleague is slim to zero.

The problem is that OP has told him how much this bothers him but nothing has changed. He is putting his female colleague's feelings above OP's.

Cheating men often meet their affair partner at work and it normally starts like this. You are minimising OP's feelings and telling her that she is being unreasonable. She isn't.

Pamspeople · 15/04/2025 17:29

Sashya · 15/04/2025 15:18

To me - an emotional affair would be something that looks like it's going in a direction of an actual physical affair. Deep conversations about relationships, and life. Married partner complaining about how unhappy they are in their current relationship. Talking about likes and dislikes - turning flirty and sexual. Dreaming about being together and possible future. Etc.
Exchange of pet pics and discussion of job changes - however in-depth - to me are not affair territory.

And - intention also matters. No one who is in emotional affair territory would be happy to just hand over their messages. Because they'd know that the messages would be obvious of their intentions. The H in question was not worried - and disclosed the messages. He clearly had no intentions and was not building this friendship up towards anything.

I'll repeat that to me it all seems like he had a "work spouse" - and didn't want to bring work stress back home. Maybe also enjoyed having a bit of autonomy - as long relationships can get stifling and it's normal to wish for reclaiming a bit of our individual selves. The amount of messages is a little excessive - and to me it's an indication of him being lost in navel gazing, and enjoying mulling things over pedantically.
I can not speak to the intention of the woman and whether or not she was engaging in this because she had hopes vs because she was lonely and it made her feel needed. But her intentions are not the issue here.

I think this is quite an unusual definition of an emotional affair.

Imbusytodaysorry · 15/04/2025 17:45

@OpenPeachMaker it would be over for me .
why is his wife not his Best friend ?
He may not have went elsewhere for sex but he has went elsewhere to have other needs met .

My question would also be . Did he do more (sex) because I am sure he wanted more. .
Always younger females!

Ilovemeggy38 · 15/04/2025 19:36

Imbusytodaysorry · 15/04/2025 17:45

@OpenPeachMaker it would be over for me .
why is his wife not his Best friend ?
He may not have went elsewhere for sex but he has went elsewhere to have other needs met .

My question would also be . Did he do more (sex) because I am sure he wanted more. .
Always younger females!

As the old saying goes....it's never Fred from accounts or Hilda from the canteen is it🙄
These type of men will always lap up attention and be " best friends" with the young female work colleague because it's a massive ego boost whether he admits it or not.
He's one small step away from it turning physical OP.
And of course he will deny it.

MsDogLady · 15/04/2025 20:08

Some line-crossers are horrified by their hurtful faithless behavior. They own it and do all they can to make amends to their deeply hurt partners. They make efforts to safeguard their fidelity by examining their selfishness and need for illicit validation. This man is not in that group.

@OpenPeachMaker, OW and their buzzy bubble are his priority, so he is not about to admit the truth and take full responsibility for his wayward intent and actions. He’d rather sacrifice your emotional health than give up his obsession.

Making a mockery of his children’s and your loving efforts by complaining to OW about his shit birthday speaks volumes about his devaluation of his marriage and family.

… he’s still working with her and still in contact but tells me not to the same extent.

What does the above even mean, @OpenPeachMaker? What does that look like? Has he definitively stated to OW that their closeness and level of contact are inappropriate for a married man? I seriously doubt it, as he describes her as his best friend whom he needs in his life. Whatever bullshit he tells you, his emotional affair partner is still very much in the picture [he stayed there to be near her], while you continue to be sidelined and kept in the dark.

You’re in a false reconciliation with a gaslighter whose affections are elsewhere. It would be game over for me, and you certainly deserve better. However, if you are determined to stay under these corrosive circumstances, you need to send him away for at least a while to experience what losing you feels like. That may have a sobering effect on him.

Knowledge is power, so do consult with a solicitor to learn your options. Also, the support of IC would help you gain clarity as you make decisions.

MsDogLady · 16/04/2025 21:52

I’ve been thinking of you, @OpenPeachMaker. What are you thinking about it all today?

OpenPeachMaker · 16/04/2025 22:39

@MsDogLady thank you for checking in and taking the time to reply.

indeed thank you to each and everyone who took the time to read my post and give such helpful responses.

I put up this post to see if others would feel the same way I do, that at the very least it was starting to verge on emotional affair if not already there. It seems the vast majority do.

I have been thinking about @MMmomDD comment that I am trying to guilt him and that wasn’t my thought process ‘oh you hurt me so I’m going to make you feel guilty’… but then I think why shouldn’t he feel some degree of guilt when I have been hurt by all of this.

I think I could have dealt with it a lot earlier and not still be dwelling on it so many months down the line had he been willing to engage in some sort of counselling.

As he has said he feels it wasn’t emotional affair territory (and in fairness I didn’t know what that meant until I started looking for other peoples experiences of a spouse getting too close to a colleague and nor did he until we discussed it), he admits he understands how I feel it was. I haven’t actually ever asked him to cut contact completely, I think he would if I did ask but I’m not gonna force him to do that. I don’t want to control or keep tabs on anyone. That’s not an equal relationship. If he wants to I feel it has to be his choice. He knows I was hurt by it all and if he feels he needs to continue that then it tells me all I need to know. As they say actions speak louder than words. So I suppose time will tell.

at least now I don’t doubt myself in my thinking this was an emotional affair. I feel my hurt and anger were justified but I’m past the broken heart and sleepless night stage.

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OpenPeachMaker · 16/04/2025 22:50

oh sorry, just re reading the comments and it was @Sashya who felt I am trying to guilt him.

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TheRealMrsFeltz · 16/04/2025 22:57

OpenPeachMaker · 16/04/2025 22:39

@MsDogLady thank you for checking in and taking the time to reply.

indeed thank you to each and everyone who took the time to read my post and give such helpful responses.

I put up this post to see if others would feel the same way I do, that at the very least it was starting to verge on emotional affair if not already there. It seems the vast majority do.

I have been thinking about @MMmomDD comment that I am trying to guilt him and that wasn’t my thought process ‘oh you hurt me so I’m going to make you feel guilty’… but then I think why shouldn’t he feel some degree of guilt when I have been hurt by all of this.

I think I could have dealt with it a lot earlier and not still be dwelling on it so many months down the line had he been willing to engage in some sort of counselling.

As he has said he feels it wasn’t emotional affair territory (and in fairness I didn’t know what that meant until I started looking for other peoples experiences of a spouse getting too close to a colleague and nor did he until we discussed it), he admits he understands how I feel it was. I haven’t actually ever asked him to cut contact completely, I think he would if I did ask but I’m not gonna force him to do that. I don’t want to control or keep tabs on anyone. That’s not an equal relationship. If he wants to I feel it has to be his choice. He knows I was hurt by it all and if he feels he needs to continue that then it tells me all I need to know. As they say actions speak louder than words. So I suppose time will tell.

at least now I don’t doubt myself in my thinking this was an emotional affair. I feel my hurt and anger were justified but I’m past the broken heart and sleepless night stage.

I’m pleased you’ve got clarity of thought now Op, I think this will really help you understand why you felt so betrayed by his actions and that your feelings are valid and why it’s such a problem he doesn’t seem to think they are.
Forgive me, but you still sound very passive in this - while there is of course very little you can do if someone is determined to have an affair, it sounds slightly like you’re the one who has given up and are possibly checking out. I may be reading that wrong, but if he’s unwilling to have counselling, you’re waiting to see if he’ll give her up (and how will you know?), it sounds like you could simply drift on in this state of disharmony until there’s nothing left to salvage from either side. I hope for your sake if this happens it’s because you no longer believe there’s anything worth fighting for -but it’s not clear at all from your posts that he has understood the real damage he’s doing, or that you have asserted clearly what the outcome for you will be if he continues. That’s not to say you need to give him an ultimatum- but spelling out what you won’t accept and letting him make the right choice feels imperative if you want any kind of chance to come back from this.

Icanflyhigh · 16/04/2025 23:04

PsychoHotSauce · 14/04/2025 12:57

Imagine you had a male friend who was your preferred contact to talk over life changing decisions, messaged more than any other friend, and you were thoughtful enough to leave little surprise treats for etc.

Would you consider you to be 'just friends' or would you think you had feelings?

I might have missed it but are they still 'friends'?

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I have a male friend. We chat multiple times daily. He was a colleague first, we've supported each other with tough situations, but we are just friends.

Not unusual for us to share 50-100 WhatsApps per day sometimes, and we talk about anything and everything.

Definitely not an emotional affair or anything else. He's a friend.

I guess the only difference is that my husband and his girlfriend are aware, nothing is hidden and we do largely socialise as a foursome.

I hate that having a friend of the opposite sex is viewed by some as sinister because it must be sexual or full of desire. It really isn't. He's like my big brother, but he's younger than me and my actual brother is a dick.

PsychoHotSauce · 16/04/2025 23:23

Icanflyhigh · 16/04/2025 23:04

I have a male friend. We chat multiple times daily. He was a colleague first, we've supported each other with tough situations, but we are just friends.

Not unusual for us to share 50-100 WhatsApps per day sometimes, and we talk about anything and everything.

Definitely not an emotional affair or anything else. He's a friend.

I guess the only difference is that my husband and his girlfriend are aware, nothing is hidden and we do largely socialise as a foursome.

I hate that having a friend of the opposite sex is viewed by some as sinister because it must be sexual or full of desire. It really isn't. He's like my big brother, but he's younger than me and my actual brother is a dick.

My best friend is a man too. But I wouldn't choose to talk to him over my partner about the "big stuff" like OPs DH. He's seeking the emotional connection that goes way beyond friendship imo.

OpenPeachMaker · 16/04/2025 23:26

@TheRealMrsFeltz you could be right, I suppose I am being passive in that my current thinking is what will be will be. Me forcing the issue of counselling or forcing him to stop contact is not gonna make everything suddenly ok. it would only be because I’ve forced the issue and not because he wants to.

of course I do want to save my marriage and in fact before all of this I would have said I loved him even more than I did the day we married. But I’ve done my fighting, it’s up to him now (Now that I have clarity and know I haven’t massively over reacted).

Of course I won’t know if the messages are still as many or not but no point in me snooping, if he wants to hide or delete messages I’m sure he will so I’ll have to rely on my gut and his actions (or inactions) I suppose. That’s the reason I got suspicious in the first place, he was ever so slightly off. A little distant but still present and the same attentive dad etc but my spidy senses were pinging. I know this man for over half my life.

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OpenPeachMaker · 16/04/2025 23:33

@Icanflyhigh I’d never heard of this friend, let alone know she was a best friend. Didn’t realise he was sharing so much with her, I don’t think it would have been a problem had I known. I had crossed paths with her once and she said ‘oh you are soandso’s wife’. So I obviously knew she worked there but not about the friendship or that there was any contact. I do believe that men and women can be just friends.

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