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Disagreement about housing

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maoleis · 13/04/2025 19:59

I've lived with my partner (not married) for ten years. She's never seen the point of marriage, so we never went that route. We have a daughter, who has just turned five.

My partner owns her own home outright as it was bought for her by her parents, and I effectively pay my share of (what, for me, is rent) bills, and food costs. The house is a timber framed one bed bungalow in an affluent part of rural Devon. The average house price in our road is close to a million, whereas this property is in serious disrepair.

We have no bathroom to speak of, just a toilet and bath behind a curtain by the front door. We converted the old kitchen into a very small bedroom for our daughter, and I'm worried she'll soon outgrow it.

Much of the exterior timber is rotting, and rats have entered the property on several occasions and have nested in the roof. I found one in the living room a few weeks ago and had to shoot it with an air rifle. We go through a cycle every few winters of plugging holes in the exterior before they chew new ones to gain entry and deploying poisons.

I'm embarrassed by our living situation and have asked my partner on several occasions if she would consider moving. I was a stay at home dad from the end of her maternity year until our little one went to school, as I worked from home at the time. I've always found the house difficult and depressing. It's very small, needs extensive work that we can't afford, and can never be comprehensively cleaned. My partner insists on doing the plumbing and electrics herself. Professionals who have been inside have commented that none of it meets current regulations.

My partner is a great mum but has also made decisions that have really challenged my ability to feel comfortable in this place. She keeps a pet pig at the end of the garden and, one winter, brought it into the house because she was concerned it would be too cold in the snow. It destroyed the living room and fouled everywhere. We also briefly kept chickens and returned from holiday to find they'd gotten in and also fouled everywhere. I had to try and deep clean the house while my partner waited outside with the baby. No matter how much I protest and beg, she insists on living here.

I'm adamant that this is no place to raise a child. My partner refuses to consider moving. I'm now considering separation and moving out, as I've lived in these conditions for ten years and can't stand another day. I'm fairly sure that social services would condemn the house and force us to move if they saw it, but I don't want to throw my partner under the bus by reporting.

My daughter, despite the environment, is very happy here. She has a bath every night and is a happy, well adjusted little girl. But I want so much more for her than this. I wouldn't want to uproot her from her school and friends or engage my partner is a horrible litigation process. She is a great mum but cannot see that the house is dangerous and filthy.

I feel like a failure as a dad. I'm not sure whether moving out will prove beneficial in the long term (because I can least offer her a clean home elsewhere that she spends some time in) or whether I should stay and do what I can to improve the house. It feels like a lost cause, though, as we don't have the funds to knock this all down and build a new property in top. We can't borrow on the property because it's not brick and mortar, and so our only option is a personal loan at high interest to build a cheap extension. My suggestion was that we sell and use the profits as a deposit on somewhere appropriate, but my partner is insistent that she will never sell and that the property is entirely hers. I respect that, and it is true, but I would prefer we remain together as a family and invest our efforts into a joint responsibility that is clean and structurally sound. As that isn't an option, I feel like moving and seeing my daughter on weekends is my only option.

What does the collective wisdom of MN think I should do?

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HenDoNot · 13/04/2025 20:06

Do you actually have the funds to get your own place? Because it reads like you’d be relying on your partner to sell the property to provide the finances for your next move.

Why would you only see your child at weekends? Wouldn’t you go for 50/50?

maoleis · 13/04/2025 20:12

HenDoNot · 13/04/2025 20:06

Do you actually have the funds to get your own place? Because it reads like you’d be relying on your partner to sell the property to provide the finances for your next move.

Why would you only see your child at weekends? Wouldn’t you go for 50/50?

I would be able to afford a rental but am not in a position to buy anywhere right now.

I would love to go for 50/50 but would need to work out the logistics. My partner works part time and lives close to my daughter's school, where she has a strong friendship group that she's had since preschool. I would need to find a property near the school and make arrangements at work to allow for 50/50. It is doable, but weekends seem more realistic in the short term at least.

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RedRock41 · 13/04/2025 20:16

That sounds grim OP. If you’ve already had the talk about moving and your DP refuses your only choices are stay or leave. It sounds untenable though and moreover whilst you want to stay together and be a family it does sound like your partner is not as invested. She sees what’s hers as hers which of course it is as you are not married. You have zero security and maybe best to leave her to it. Go for 50/50 custody and in due course your DD at least then can choose herself. Won’t be long until your daughter wants to have friends home.
Bt concerning that the electrics are not safe. Up to you but you may have no option but to raise this in any court report to highlight to your DP that her stance is not rationale or in your daughters best interests. DP can keep custody of the pig.

maoleis · 13/04/2025 20:21

RedRock41 · 13/04/2025 20:16

That sounds grim OP. If you’ve already had the talk about moving and your DP refuses your only choices are stay or leave. It sounds untenable though and moreover whilst you want to stay together and be a family it does sound like your partner is not as invested. She sees what’s hers as hers which of course it is as you are not married. You have zero security and maybe best to leave her to it. Go for 50/50 custody and in due course your DD at least then can choose herself. Won’t be long until your daughter wants to have friends home.
Bt concerning that the electrics are not safe. Up to you but you may have no option but to raise this in any court report to highlight to your DP that her stance is not rationale or in your daughters best interests. DP can keep custody of the pig.

Thank you. I don't want to take this to court if I can avoid it, but I'll look at what can be done to ensure 50/50.

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2024onwardsandup · 13/04/2025 20:27

dont move out until you’ve arranged things for 50/50 but do this asap

get an electrician in to do an electric safety test and ignore your partner if she gets upset about this. If they find a risk then move out with your daughter asap to a rental

also make sure get gas safety check etc

sounds grim and a very difficult situation for you

maoleis · 13/04/2025 20:28

2024onwardsandup · 13/04/2025 20:27

dont move out until you’ve arranged things for 50/50 but do this asap

get an electrician in to do an electric safety test and ignore your partner if she gets upset about this. If they find a risk then move out with your daughter asap to a rental

also make sure get gas safety check etc

sounds grim and a very difficult situation for you

Thanks, I'll get an electrician in to check things over and go from there.

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RedHelenB · 13/04/2025 20:29

Sounds like the house is uninhabitable and needs knocking down. I don't think you'll be able to sell it for as much as you think you will.

maoleis · 13/04/2025 20:33

RedHelenB · 13/04/2025 20:29

Sounds like the house is uninhabitable and needs knocking down. I don't think you'll be able to sell it for as much as you think you will.

I agree that the house is essentially worthless. The value is in the attached land, location, sea views etc. For someone looking to relocate from London who has 600,000 to spare it's a great opportunity. But living in the current structure, which hasn't changed since 1950, is awful.

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cestlavielife · 13/04/2025 20:37

It is not your house. Get a nice rental

Split the care
At least if anything happens to the house your dc has somewhere to go
(But it sounds like a fire and health hazard)

60andcounting · 13/04/2025 20:41

Would putting a static caravan on the land be possible? You can buy a 2nd hand static with central heating and double glazing for £3000 upwards. Google off-site statics.

maoleis · 13/04/2025 20:43

60andcounting · 13/04/2025 20:41

Would putting a static caravan on the land be possible? You can buy a 2nd hand static with central heating and double glazing for £3000 upwards. Google off-site statics.

This is something I've looked into, but access is a problem. All the land is at the rear of the property, and there's no way to get anything past the bungalow. The road we live on is essentially a muddy track, and it's too narrow for artics. I did consider this at one point, though.

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Octavia64 · 13/04/2025 20:47

Hmm.

The house sounds complicated. It’s obviously a non standard build if you say that you can’t get a mortgage on it.

there are companies that will consider non standard builds for mortgages if you were in a position to do some work on the house.

it’s not uncommon for older houses to have plumbing and electrics which are not up to code (and surveys frequently point this out). We bought a grade 2 listed house where basically nothing was to code.

new electrics are supposed to be to code though. If your other half is doing it herself and not getting it checked or signed off that is concerning.

you mention rotting timbers. Do you think that house is structurally sound or do you think there actually is a danger of it collapsing?

electrics and risk of collapse are dangerous but unlikely to happen.

the cleanliness of the house is a day to day issue. When you say you can’t get it really clean how dirty actually is it?

maoleis · 13/04/2025 20:55

Octavia64 · 13/04/2025 20:47

Hmm.

The house sounds complicated. It’s obviously a non standard build if you say that you can’t get a mortgage on it.

there are companies that will consider non standard builds for mortgages if you were in a position to do some work on the house.

it’s not uncommon for older houses to have plumbing and electrics which are not up to code (and surveys frequently point this out). We bought a grade 2 listed house where basically nothing was to code.

new electrics are supposed to be to code though. If your other half is doing it herself and not getting it checked or signed off that is concerning.

you mention rotting timbers. Do you think that house is structurally sound or do you think there actually is a danger of it collapsing?

electrics and risk of collapse are dangerous but unlikely to happen.

the cleanliness of the house is a day to day issue. When you say you can’t get it really clean how dirty actually is it?

The interior timber seems to be OK. The exteriors, like the cladding etc are where the main issues are, as this is what's allowing rodent entry etc. but I doubt it would collapse.

My partner doesn't seem interested in getting her work checked or signed off, even though I've suggested this for peace of mind. I think she doesn't want too many people poking around for whatever reason.

We did investigate some nonstandard construction mortgages but were offered quite a low figure at high interest. I'll look at some other providers.

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rebmacesrevda · 13/04/2025 20:56

It sounds grim and I’d want to move out too, but I don’t think that means you’ve got to split up. I’m not sure whether you want to end the relationship, or if it’s just the house that’s the issue. Maybe she’s emotionally attached to the place; I don’t think you’ll get far trying to get her to change anything.
You could stay together as a couple but live apart, which might be better for your daughter. When your partner comes round to yours she might realise the benefits of living in a comfortable environment.

cestlavielife · 13/04/2025 20:58

But it is not op s house in any way or form

It s his unmarried partner s house.

Or is op planning to get joint mortgage with dp ?

maoleis · 13/04/2025 20:58

Octavia64 · 13/04/2025 20:47

Hmm.

The house sounds complicated. It’s obviously a non standard build if you say that you can’t get a mortgage on it.

there are companies that will consider non standard builds for mortgages if you were in a position to do some work on the house.

it’s not uncommon for older houses to have plumbing and electrics which are not up to code (and surveys frequently point this out). We bought a grade 2 listed house where basically nothing was to code.

new electrics are supposed to be to code though. If your other half is doing it herself and not getting it checked or signed off that is concerning.

you mention rotting timbers. Do you think that house is structurally sound or do you think there actually is a danger of it collapsing?

electrics and risk of collapse are dangerous but unlikely to happen.

the cleanliness of the house is a day to day issue. When you say you can’t get it really clean how dirty actually is it?

On cleanliness, it's not terrible but certainly not at a standard I'm cofrtable with. For example when the pig was in the living room, we had to throw what was left of the sofa and mopped the wooden floors. For me, that's not enough to be sure the health risks of literally living in pig shit were neutralised. If I could, I'd rip out all furniture and fixings and steam clean everything with an industrial tool. We push a hoover around and put things through the washing machine, but I think the whole place won't ever be clean unless it's burnt down personally.

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maoleis · 13/04/2025 21:01

rebmacesrevda · 13/04/2025 20:56

It sounds grim and I’d want to move out too, but I don’t think that means you’ve got to split up. I’m not sure whether you want to end the relationship, or if it’s just the house that’s the issue. Maybe she’s emotionally attached to the place; I don’t think you’ll get far trying to get her to change anything.
You could stay together as a couple but live apart, which might be better for your daughter. When your partner comes round to yours she might realise the benefits of living in a comfortable environment.

I moved out once before, a couple of years ago, and invited my partner and daughter to move in, the rationale being that perhaps a change of setting would help us work out if the issues in our relationship were largely explained by the house. It was a rented three bed in a nice part of Exeter. My partner hated it and wanted to return to the bungalow after about a month, and so I gave up the house and followed. My daughter absolutely loved the new place and was very upset when it came time to leave.

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maoleis · 13/04/2025 21:03

cestlavielife · 13/04/2025 20:58

But it is not op s house in any way or form

It s his unmarried partner s house.

Or is op planning to get joint mortgage with dp ?

This is the heart of the issue. I suggested selling the bungalow and using what we get as a deposit on a joint mortgage. I would then pay the mortgage to even put the contributions over time, so that it felt close to something we'd contributed to equally. She wasn't keen on this idea.

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2024onwardsandup · 13/04/2025 21:44

does your partner have mental health issues?

is part do the issue some kind of dysfunctional attachment to the house because of her parents or something like that?

User5274959 · 13/04/2025 21:57

You need to think of your daughter.
I don't think it would be right to move out somewhere decent and leave her to live in squalor for the majority of the time, so you will need to work out how you can manage 50/50 care.

As she gets older she will become more aware of it and it will restrict her socially also. She may then vote with her feet and It's really important you provide her with a safe habitable home if your partner refuses to consider any changes.

I'm also sorry that your partner will not discuss it with you openly and calmly and listen to your point of view, I know what it feels like to feel disempowered like that.

maoleis · 13/04/2025 22:03

2024onwardsandup · 13/04/2025 21:44

does your partner have mental health issues?

is part do the issue some kind of dysfunctional attachment to the house because of her parents or something like that?

She has no mental health diagnosis or anything like that. I myself have schizophrenia which is managed with medication, and the house isn't doing much for my condition - I'm stable but struggle to keep my mood up in this place.

I'm sure part of the issue is an attachment to the house due to her parents having paid into it, and it's also just down the road from theirs.

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maoleis · 13/04/2025 22:07

User5274959 · 13/04/2025 21:57

You need to think of your daughter.
I don't think it would be right to move out somewhere decent and leave her to live in squalor for the majority of the time, so you will need to work out how you can manage 50/50 care.

As she gets older she will become more aware of it and it will restrict her socially also. She may then vote with her feet and It's really important you provide her with a safe habitable home if your partner refuses to consider any changes.

I'm also sorry that your partner will not discuss it with you openly and calmly and listen to your point of view, I know what it feels like to feel disempowered like that.

I agree. I'm interviewing for a new job in a couple of weeks which, if I get it, will make 50/50 more doable. I currently work shifts in the NHS with an ever changing rota. Moving to 9-5 will make it easier to sort 50/50.

I have a feeling that my little one will notice the difference and the years go by and may decide to live with me in the future. I'd be very happy for her to do so but would want it to be her choice.

I also appreciate what you say about feeling disempowered. My partner isn't one to scream and shout, but she has an amazing capacity to do absolutely nothing in response to feedback, which is quite hard and indeed disempowering.

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FortyElephants · 13/04/2025 22:13

I'm fairly sure that social services would condemn the house and force us to move if they saw it, but I don't want to throw my partner under the bus by reporting.

This isn't how things work. Social services can't condemn your house or force you to move out nor is there any point 'reporting' (who? Yourselves?) the house. You are jointly responsible for properly housing your child and if she refuses to do it then you have to move out and take DD with you. It's down to you to do this, not down to social services to force you.

Cornishclio · 13/04/2025 22:13

I would struggle to live in those conditions too so my vote would be you move and get a decent rental. Can your partners parents not see that there are issues with this accommodation? A house with rotting timbers and dodgy electrics plus animals fouling the place sounds grim.

TheCurious0range · 13/04/2025 22:20

You need to move and get a rental and take your daughter with you, if it's not sanitary or liveable for you it isn't for her either.

What do your partner's parents say about the place? I'm sure their intention wasn't for her to stay there forever and let it fall to rack and ruin

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