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Disagreement about housing

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maoleis · 13/04/2025 19:59

I've lived with my partner (not married) for ten years. She's never seen the point of marriage, so we never went that route. We have a daughter, who has just turned five.

My partner owns her own home outright as it was bought for her by her parents, and I effectively pay my share of (what, for me, is rent) bills, and food costs. The house is a timber framed one bed bungalow in an affluent part of rural Devon. The average house price in our road is close to a million, whereas this property is in serious disrepair.

We have no bathroom to speak of, just a toilet and bath behind a curtain by the front door. We converted the old kitchen into a very small bedroom for our daughter, and I'm worried she'll soon outgrow it.

Much of the exterior timber is rotting, and rats have entered the property on several occasions and have nested in the roof. I found one in the living room a few weeks ago and had to shoot it with an air rifle. We go through a cycle every few winters of plugging holes in the exterior before they chew new ones to gain entry and deploying poisons.

I'm embarrassed by our living situation and have asked my partner on several occasions if she would consider moving. I was a stay at home dad from the end of her maternity year until our little one went to school, as I worked from home at the time. I've always found the house difficult and depressing. It's very small, needs extensive work that we can't afford, and can never be comprehensively cleaned. My partner insists on doing the plumbing and electrics herself. Professionals who have been inside have commented that none of it meets current regulations.

My partner is a great mum but has also made decisions that have really challenged my ability to feel comfortable in this place. She keeps a pet pig at the end of the garden and, one winter, brought it into the house because she was concerned it would be too cold in the snow. It destroyed the living room and fouled everywhere. We also briefly kept chickens and returned from holiday to find they'd gotten in and also fouled everywhere. I had to try and deep clean the house while my partner waited outside with the baby. No matter how much I protest and beg, she insists on living here.

I'm adamant that this is no place to raise a child. My partner refuses to consider moving. I'm now considering separation and moving out, as I've lived in these conditions for ten years and can't stand another day. I'm fairly sure that social services would condemn the house and force us to move if they saw it, but I don't want to throw my partner under the bus by reporting.

My daughter, despite the environment, is very happy here. She has a bath every night and is a happy, well adjusted little girl. But I want so much more for her than this. I wouldn't want to uproot her from her school and friends or engage my partner is a horrible litigation process. She is a great mum but cannot see that the house is dangerous and filthy.

I feel like a failure as a dad. I'm not sure whether moving out will prove beneficial in the long term (because I can least offer her a clean home elsewhere that she spends some time in) or whether I should stay and do what I can to improve the house. It feels like a lost cause, though, as we don't have the funds to knock this all down and build a new property in top. We can't borrow on the property because it's not brick and mortar, and so our only option is a personal loan at high interest to build a cheap extension. My suggestion was that we sell and use the profits as a deposit on somewhere appropriate, but my partner is insistent that she will never sell and that the property is entirely hers. I respect that, and it is true, but I would prefer we remain together as a family and invest our efforts into a joint responsibility that is clean and structurally sound. As that isn't an option, I feel like moving and seeing my daughter on weekends is my only option.

What does the collective wisdom of MN think I should do?

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maoleis · 13/04/2025 22:20

FortyElephants · 13/04/2025 22:13

I'm fairly sure that social services would condemn the house and force us to move if they saw it, but I don't want to throw my partner under the bus by reporting.

This isn't how things work. Social services can't condemn your house or force you to move out nor is there any point 'reporting' (who? Yourselves?) the house. You are jointly responsible for properly housing your child and if she refuses to do it then you have to move out and take DD with you. It's down to you to do this, not down to social services to force you.

I believe social services would be able to assist us with rehousing if they deemed the house unsuitable, but I'm not sure this is something my partner would want to pursue. I've not looked into this extensively nor am I familiar with what social services can or can't do. I was just speculating.

You are right that it's down to me to act on this rather than be prompted to, I take that point.

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maoleis · 13/04/2025 22:22

TheCurious0range · 13/04/2025 22:20

You need to move and get a rental and take your daughter with you, if it's not sanitary or liveable for you it isn't for her either.

What do your partner's parents say about the place? I'm sure their intention wasn't for her to stay there forever and let it fall to rack and ruin

Partner's parents are an interesting pair. Lovely people but prone to hoarding and not particularly cleanly themselves. I think this is partly why my partner is so unphased by the state of the house.

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TheCurious0range · 13/04/2025 22:24

maoleis · 13/04/2025 22:20

I believe social services would be able to assist us with rehousing if they deemed the house unsuitable, but I'm not sure this is something my partner would want to pursue. I've not looked into this extensively nor am I familiar with what social services can or can't do. I was just speculating.

You are right that it's down to me to act on this rather than be prompted to, I take that point.

No they won't rehouse you if it's owned. They may give advice about safety. They may put your child on a child in need plan depending how unsanitary/unsafe it is and set goals around what needs to be improved. I work with social care daily, you wouldn't believe some of the environments I've seen then say are passable for young children and even babies.
If it was rented they might support you into another private rent if the landlord wasn't willing to make improvements.

maoleis · 13/04/2025 22:25

Cornishclio · 13/04/2025 22:13

I would struggle to live in those conditions too so my vote would be you move and get a decent rental. Can your partners parents not see that there are issues with this accommodation? A house with rotting timbers and dodgy electrics plus animals fouling the place sounds grim.

It is pretty grim. Partner's dad is very keen on doing his own DIY with varying degrees of success. So I think the electrics thing is a learnt behaviour.

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JohnofWessex · 13/04/2025 22:25

The issue is your partner not realising she is living in squalor

It sounds similar to hoarding

Clearly something needs to happen for your daughter's sake

The local authority can get involved either from environment health or social services and things may happen when she starts school and they do a home visit

maoleis · 13/04/2025 22:26

TheCurious0range · 13/04/2025 22:24

No they won't rehouse you if it's owned. They may give advice about safety. They may put your child on a child in need plan depending how unsanitary/unsafe it is and set goals around what needs to be improved. I work with social care daily, you wouldn't believe some of the environments I've seen then say are passable for young children and even babies.
If it was rented they might support you into another private rent if the landlord wasn't willing to make improvements.

Edited

This helps clarify things for me about the role of social services, thanks.

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cestlavielife · 13/04/2025 22:58

You seem very passive.
It is not your house but you choose to stay there
There is no mortgage on it but up to the one who owns it
It sounds like a wooden shack on potentially valuable land
No one is going to move you to a council house
Take charge move out with dc they can go visit there to see mum if she will not move out with you and dc
Rent some place suitable
Take your money elsewhere

Ticktockwatchclock · 13/04/2025 23:17

Have you got any estimates from a builder to find out how much it would cost to bring the property up to scratch and repaired? Are you DP parents able to assist with the cost of this if it is in their grandchild’s best interest?

HenDoNot · 14/04/2025 08:21

cestlavielife · 13/04/2025 22:58

You seem very passive.
It is not your house but you choose to stay there
There is no mortgage on it but up to the one who owns it
It sounds like a wooden shack on potentially valuable land
No one is going to move you to a council house
Take charge move out with dc they can go visit there to see mum if she will not move out with you and dc
Rent some place suitable
Take your money elsewhere

Totally agree with this.

I'm surprised that in 10 years you haven’t managed to save a penny towards a deposit for a house yourself. It’s all very well saying “well I’ll pay the mortgage to even things out”, but the fact is that without your partner and the generous gift from her parents, you can’t get a mortgage. It’ll take you 25 years + to “even things out”.

Also the idea that Social Services will find and sort you out a house. It’s like you think someone, anyone, might hand you something on a plate.

Your initial idea that you’ll get off, move out, and take your daughter at weekends. Leaving your partner with the grunt work of school runs, clean uniform, dinner, bath and bedtime, etc, while you breeze in at the weekend to play daddy daycare.

I can’t imagine it’s a bad as you’re making out, or you’re as concerned for your daughter as you claim, because you’d have been long gone if it was.

JohnofWessex · 14/04/2025 08:36

Firstly the Local Authority CAN rehouse you if they think its justified and your owned home is unfit

Secondly you need to address your partners behaviour as I suggest that Social Services may well start to take an interest.

What does she do for a living and I wonder if her family are aware of something about her that you dont know?

Also why was that house chosen and how long has she had it for?

FortyElephants · 14/04/2025 08:44

maoleis · 13/04/2025 22:20

I believe social services would be able to assist us with rehousing if they deemed the house unsuitable, but I'm not sure this is something my partner would want to pursue. I've not looked into this extensively nor am I familiar with what social services can or can't do. I was just speculating.

You are right that it's down to me to act on this rather than be prompted to, I take that point.

Social services don't house people, housing departments do. They may be able to assist in housing you and your DD if you leave, but not your partner as she has a house!

FortyElephants · 14/04/2025 08:47

JohnofWessex · 14/04/2025 08:36

Firstly the Local Authority CAN rehouse you if they think its justified and your owned home is unfit

Secondly you need to address your partners behaviour as I suggest that Social Services may well start to take an interest.

What does she do for a living and I wonder if her family are aware of something about her that you dont know?

Also why was that house chosen and how long has she had it for?

They absolutely won't rehouse this family on the basis that the partner won't sell her falling down house. Why on earth should they? And why wouldn't this couple find themselves a private rental without any council involvement at all if they don't want to live in the hovel any longer?

WakingUpToReality · 14/04/2025 08:48

OP, I’m afraid it seems your partner may have a mental health issue. It is really unusual for a mother to not be concerned about animal faeces in the house with her young child. It is really unusual for a mother to not be concerned about electrical safety and structural safety in the house of her young child. Also you say she doesn’t shout or argue but if you try to address these concerns and get no response from her, that is stonewalling. In a relationship, both partners should listen to feedback and work together. This is really concerning for the future. You sound like a really good dad, concerned for your daughter. You will need to step up though and become more assertive to look after your daughter’s best interests. You say there’s only a curtain and not a door for the bathroom!! I can’t believe that. She can’t even have friends over for a playdate which is CRUCIAL for her social and emotional development. This is indeed dire.

maoleis · 14/04/2025 08:59

HenDoNot · 14/04/2025 08:21

Totally agree with this.

I'm surprised that in 10 years you haven’t managed to save a penny towards a deposit for a house yourself. It’s all very well saying “well I’ll pay the mortgage to even things out”, but the fact is that without your partner and the generous gift from her parents, you can’t get a mortgage. It’ll take you 25 years + to “even things out”.

Also the idea that Social Services will find and sort you out a house. It’s like you think someone, anyone, might hand you something on a plate.

Your initial idea that you’ll get off, move out, and take your daughter at weekends. Leaving your partner with the grunt work of school runs, clean uniform, dinner, bath and bedtime, etc, while you breeze in at the weekend to play daddy daycare.

I can’t imagine it’s a bad as you’re making out, or you’re as concerned for your daughter as you claim, because you’d have been long gone if it was.

I had to spend seven years of those ten working part time while I completed my PhD, which problematised saving. I was also the stay at home dad from when DD was one until she went to school, working and studying alongside.

I have paranoid schizophrenia and believe due to this I might be eligible for social housing. I'm not quite sure this means I consider myself entitled to handouts. Many people with schizophrenia can't work. I'm fortunate to be well managed on medication, but the condition is of a nature that means the medication requires constant monitoring and adjustment to keep me out of hospital, and the side effects are quite unpleasant, as are the negative symptoms of schizophrenia which you might want to Google for context.

I take exception to the view that I'm not concerned for my daughter. What has kept me in the house is a deep sympathy and affection for my partner despite her attachment to an unsuitable home. Perhaps I should have left earlier. I appreciate your rather unsympathetic take, though.

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maoleis · 14/04/2025 09:03

WakingUpToReality · 14/04/2025 08:48

OP, I’m afraid it seems your partner may have a mental health issue. It is really unusual for a mother to not be concerned about animal faeces in the house with her young child. It is really unusual for a mother to not be concerned about electrical safety and structural safety in the house of her young child. Also you say she doesn’t shout or argue but if you try to address these concerns and get no response from her, that is stonewalling. In a relationship, both partners should listen to feedback and work together. This is really concerning for the future. You sound like a really good dad, concerned for your daughter. You will need to step up though and become more assertive to look after your daughter’s best interests. You say there’s only a curtain and not a door for the bathroom!! I can’t believe that. She can’t even have friends over for a playdate which is CRUCIAL for her social and emotional development. This is indeed dire.

I appreciate your kind words, which makes for some relief from some of the more critical replies. I do understand the criticism I'm getting, don't get me wrong, and perhaps I am too passive. But I do care about both my partner and my daughter and have tried to reason with my partner about our situation. I don't want to leave her with all of the difficult work during the week and breeze in at the weekends as others have suggested, but I do need to do something and my partner isn't meeting me half way.

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HenDoNot · 14/04/2025 09:16

maoleis · 14/04/2025 08:59

I had to spend seven years of those ten working part time while I completed my PhD, which problematised saving. I was also the stay at home dad from when DD was one until she went to school, working and studying alongside.

I have paranoid schizophrenia and believe due to this I might be eligible for social housing. I'm not quite sure this means I consider myself entitled to handouts. Many people with schizophrenia can't work. I'm fortunate to be well managed on medication, but the condition is of a nature that means the medication requires constant monitoring and adjustment to keep me out of hospital, and the side effects are quite unpleasant, as are the negative symptoms of schizophrenia which you might want to Google for context.

I take exception to the view that I'm not concerned for my daughter. What has kept me in the house is a deep sympathy and affection for my partner despite her attachment to an unsuitable home. Perhaps I should have left earlier. I appreciate your rather unsympathetic take, though.

Excellent - crack on and sort out some social housing.

You’ve lived cheaply for years and been financially supported through a PhD. You’ve done alright out of this.

Your OP was about the idea that your partner won’t consider moving, whereas you think she should fund a deposit and house move for you both with her 600k house/land, which usually includes estate agent fees, solicitors fees, stamp duty, removal costs, while your contribution is that you pay the monthly mortgage.

She made it clear to you that’s not an option. She’s not meeting you halfway. She and her parents aren’t going to help you get on the property ladder.

And honestly, if she’s as bad as you claim, the next place you move to with her will eventually end up a shithole too.

So put yourself and your daughter first, get out of there, support yourself, and live how you want to live.

maoleis · 14/04/2025 09:27

HenDoNot · 14/04/2025 09:16

Excellent - crack on and sort out some social housing.

You’ve lived cheaply for years and been financially supported through a PhD. You’ve done alright out of this.

Your OP was about the idea that your partner won’t consider moving, whereas you think she should fund a deposit and house move for you both with her 600k house/land, which usually includes estate agent fees, solicitors fees, stamp duty, removal costs, while your contribution is that you pay the monthly mortgage.

She made it clear to you that’s not an option. She’s not meeting you halfway. She and her parents aren’t going to help you get on the property ladder.

And honestly, if she’s as bad as you claim, the next place you move to with her will eventually end up a shithole too.

So put yourself and your daughter first, get out of there, support yourself, and live how you want to live.

Well, I don't think she should sell. I asked her if she would consider it so that we could jointly commit to something better. The house isn't worth 600,000. It's worth about 180,000. Perhaps putting the idea to her was asking too much.

I agree that low overheads have been helpful, but we've just about made ends meet for the entire time we've been there. I wouldn't say I've done alright. It's been a struggle.

But I take your point.

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JohnofWessex · 14/04/2025 09:47

FortyElephants · 14/04/2025 08:47

They absolutely won't rehouse this family on the basis that the partner won't sell her falling down house. Why on earth should they? And why wouldn't this couple find themselves a private rental without any council involvement at all if they don't want to live in the hovel any longer?

I have known occasion's where home owner's have been rehoused in these cases it was hoarding that left the house uninhabitable like the one the OP is living in

cestlavielife · 14/04/2025 10:28

It does not sound worse than a couple choosing to live off grid type housing.
If dc is cared for goes to school clean then ss won't swoop in.
If op wants better environment for dc he needs to move out rent somewhere
In any case if the mother dies he has zero rights to the property anyway (though might be inherited by the child?) so best sort something out for himself

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/04/2025 11:04

@maoleis id find a rental and take my child. .
Id say when she sorts the place out Dd can visit regular. .
id tell ss why you have moved out.
Your dp is so caught up in protecting “her own place “ she isn’t seeing what she is doing to her child .

Is this property in uk ? Just curious

WakingUpToReality · 14/04/2025 11:11

Also just want to add, take no notice of negative and unhelpful comments, there’s always some people like that on every thread. It’s great you’re reaching out for advice and you’re exploring all your options. And you’ve done amazingly well to work part time, take care of your daughter until she went to school, and at the same time study all alongside having difficult mental health issues. I hope you find a suitable solution.

romdowa · 14/04/2025 11:20

Jesus you've allowed your child to live in that dump for 5 years ? You both need a good shake, it's sounds utterly grim. A pig defecating all over the living room, I'd loose it . One of you needs to step up here and remove your child from this shack . You both sound so selfish tbh

maoleis · 14/04/2025 11:31

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/04/2025 11:04

@maoleis id find a rental and take my child. .
Id say when she sorts the place out Dd can visit regular. .
id tell ss why you have moved out.
Your dp is so caught up in protecting “her own place “ she isn’t seeing what she is doing to her child .

Is this property in uk ? Just curious

Thanks for this. Yeah it's in the UK. Devon.

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Keroppi · 14/04/2025 11:44

Could you try and work out a way to make access easier so you could have a tiny home/caravan on the land to live in

Or get one of those companies in who build garden sheds or tiny homes with electrics etc on site.

Otherwise I suppose you could present as homeless to local authority and try and be put on housing list as you've got MH.. I don't know what you could claim there. Perhaps you could make an account on local authority housing register to see current waiting lists and availability of properties

In my xp most people with schizophrenia end up in supported accommodation- but I used to work with people with quite unmanaged/uncontrolled MH problems - so appreciate I am seeing it from the worst of the worst view. Also wouldn't that impact upon you putting a claim in to have daughter 50/50?

Perhaps you need to go to citizens Advice or something

Bank loan to do up property? Get some quotes from different builders?
Flog the land online as a rural camp and try and get some trade in from that? I'm not sure

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/04/2025 12:44

a wormed would be told to take her kids and find so where stable .
If her man was doing botch d .i.y jobs and wouldn’t pull se sources after 10 plus years together that the dw was living in a ruin with her kids.

O don’t think the advice should be any different for a man looking to protect his happiness and his kids security.

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