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Disagreement about housing

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maoleis · 13/04/2025 19:59

I've lived with my partner (not married) for ten years. She's never seen the point of marriage, so we never went that route. We have a daughter, who has just turned five.

My partner owns her own home outright as it was bought for her by her parents, and I effectively pay my share of (what, for me, is rent) bills, and food costs. The house is a timber framed one bed bungalow in an affluent part of rural Devon. The average house price in our road is close to a million, whereas this property is in serious disrepair.

We have no bathroom to speak of, just a toilet and bath behind a curtain by the front door. We converted the old kitchen into a very small bedroom for our daughter, and I'm worried she'll soon outgrow it.

Much of the exterior timber is rotting, and rats have entered the property on several occasions and have nested in the roof. I found one in the living room a few weeks ago and had to shoot it with an air rifle. We go through a cycle every few winters of plugging holes in the exterior before they chew new ones to gain entry and deploying poisons.

I'm embarrassed by our living situation and have asked my partner on several occasions if she would consider moving. I was a stay at home dad from the end of her maternity year until our little one went to school, as I worked from home at the time. I've always found the house difficult and depressing. It's very small, needs extensive work that we can't afford, and can never be comprehensively cleaned. My partner insists on doing the plumbing and electrics herself. Professionals who have been inside have commented that none of it meets current regulations.

My partner is a great mum but has also made decisions that have really challenged my ability to feel comfortable in this place. She keeps a pet pig at the end of the garden and, one winter, brought it into the house because she was concerned it would be too cold in the snow. It destroyed the living room and fouled everywhere. We also briefly kept chickens and returned from holiday to find they'd gotten in and also fouled everywhere. I had to try and deep clean the house while my partner waited outside with the baby. No matter how much I protest and beg, she insists on living here.

I'm adamant that this is no place to raise a child. My partner refuses to consider moving. I'm now considering separation and moving out, as I've lived in these conditions for ten years and can't stand another day. I'm fairly sure that social services would condemn the house and force us to move if they saw it, but I don't want to throw my partner under the bus by reporting.

My daughter, despite the environment, is very happy here. She has a bath every night and is a happy, well adjusted little girl. But I want so much more for her than this. I wouldn't want to uproot her from her school and friends or engage my partner is a horrible litigation process. She is a great mum but cannot see that the house is dangerous and filthy.

I feel like a failure as a dad. I'm not sure whether moving out will prove beneficial in the long term (because I can least offer her a clean home elsewhere that she spends some time in) or whether I should stay and do what I can to improve the house. It feels like a lost cause, though, as we don't have the funds to knock this all down and build a new property in top. We can't borrow on the property because it's not brick and mortar, and so our only option is a personal loan at high interest to build a cheap extension. My suggestion was that we sell and use the profits as a deposit on somewhere appropriate, but my partner is insistent that she will never sell and that the property is entirely hers. I respect that, and it is true, but I would prefer we remain together as a family and invest our efforts into a joint responsibility that is clean and structurally sound. As that isn't an option, I feel like moving and seeing my daughter on weekends is my only option.

What does the collective wisdom of MN think I should do?

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cestlavielife · 14/04/2025 12:46

Talk of loans is irrelevant to op.
It is not his house or land !
It is not joint owned
So would only be linked to the mother s income.

cestlavielife · 14/04/2025 12:48

Similarly caravans or garden rooms. No point op investing. It is not his land!
He should take his money elsewhere

HenDoNot · 14/04/2025 12:53

Secondly you need to address your partners behaviour as I suggest that Social Services may well start to take an interest

I’m sure SS would also be interested to hear that dad with schizophrenia is firing off an air rifle in the living room.

maoleis · 14/04/2025 13:40

WakingUpToReality · 14/04/2025 11:11

Also just want to add, take no notice of negative and unhelpful comments, there’s always some people like that on every thread. It’s great you’re reaching out for advice and you’re exploring all your options. And you’ve done amazingly well to work part time, take care of your daughter until she went to school, and at the same time study all alongside having difficult mental health issues. I hope you find a suitable solution.

I appreciate this, thank you. It was pretty difficult. Partner wouldn't allow formula/bottle feeding so she'd cry all day until my partner got home. Nothing I did would settle her, apart from long walks in the woods with DD in a sling. Wouldn't allow disposable nappies because they're bad for the environment apparently, so had to use washable ones that would leak everywhere. It was tough. Now DD is five she's starting to pick up on the environment and has made comments about wanting a nicer house. I think this is my cue.

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maoleis · 14/04/2025 13:43

HenDoNot · 14/04/2025 12:53

Secondly you need to address your partners behaviour as I suggest that Social Services may well start to take an interest

I’m sure SS would also be interested to hear that dad with schizophrenia is firing off an air rifle in the living room.

No one was home at the time. I'm a member of a shooting club and know how to behave with firearms. And the violence- schizophrenia association is largely stigma. Research fails to demonstrate any substantial link between schizophrenia and violence. That said, I work on a psychiatric intensive care unit, and experience violence occasionally but this is mostly the prison and antisocial personality patient group.

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maoleis · 14/04/2025 13:47

HenDoNot · 14/04/2025 12:53

Secondly you need to address your partners behaviour as I suggest that Social Services may well start to take an interest

I’m sure SS would also be interested to hear that dad with schizophrenia is firing off an air rifle in the living room.

If you feel like educating yourself, check out Dr James Balfour's book on representing schizophrenia in the media. He has a whole chapter on attitudes like yours.

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HenDoNot · 14/04/2025 14:04

If you’re firing an air rifle in your living room, then you do not know how to behave with firearms.

It’s amazing how the rat stayed still, while you went and unlocked your air rifle from its secure place, then went and got the pellets that are stored securely and separately from the gun, and then it positioned itself perfectly for you to assess that there was no risk of ricochet into the room if you missed.

Incredible. I’m sure SS would have no concern about this at all, zero, not a one.

maoleis · 14/04/2025 14:07

HenDoNot · 14/04/2025 14:04

If you’re firing an air rifle in your living room, then you do not know how to behave with firearms.

It’s amazing how the rat stayed still, while you went and unlocked your air rifle from its secure place, then went and got the pellets that are stored securely and separately from the gun, and then it positioned itself perfectly for you to assess that there was no risk of ricochet into the room if you missed.

Incredible. I’m sure SS would have no concern about this at all, zero, not a one.

The rat indeed stayed still. It was sat in front of the fridge eating crumbs.

I didn't expect to still be there by the time I'd unpacked everything, but it was, so I shot it rather than chance it getting away.

Pellets don't ricohet after hitting a pest. They ricochet on hard, smooth surfaces. If this was a problem pest controllers wouldn't use airguns in enclosed spaces.

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L0UISA · 14/04/2025 14:14

You are making this more complicated than it needs to be, with all your dramatic stories and drip feeding.

You have a job, just arrange your hours so you can care for your child 50:50 and move out. I’m sure you can still date your parther if that what you both want. Lots of couples don’t live together.

You can still both parent your child. Your child is young she will adapt quickly.

maoleis · 14/04/2025 14:15

L0UISA · 14/04/2025 14:14

You are making this more complicated than it needs to be, with all your dramatic stories and drip feeding.

You have a job, just arrange your hours so you can care for your child 50:50 and move out. I’m sure you can still date your parther if that what you both want. Lots of couples don’t live together.

You can still both parent your child. Your child is young she will adapt quickly.

Appreciate this, thank you.

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FortyElephants · 14/04/2025 14:25

maoleis · 14/04/2025 13:40

I appreciate this, thank you. It was pretty difficult. Partner wouldn't allow formula/bottle feeding so she'd cry all day until my partner got home. Nothing I did would settle her, apart from long walks in the woods with DD in a sling. Wouldn't allow disposable nappies because they're bad for the environment apparently, so had to use washable ones that would leak everywhere. It was tough. Now DD is five she's starting to pick up on the environment and has made comments about wanting a nicer house. I think this is my cue.

Are you saying your baby didn't get fed all day while your partner was out?

maoleis · 14/04/2025 14:26

FortyElephants · 14/04/2025 14:25

Are you saying your baby didn't get fed all day while your partner was out?

Baby food and age appropriate foods, yes. Milk, no.

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FortyElephants · 14/04/2025 14:30

maoleis · 14/04/2025 14:26

Baby food and age appropriate foods, yes. Milk, no.

At what age? How long was she left for? If you felt this wasn't meeting her needs why did you go along with it?

maoleis · 14/04/2025 14:33

FortyElephants · 14/04/2025 14:30

At what age? How long was she left for? If you felt this wasn't meeting her needs why did you go along with it?

She was one when my partner returned to work and I took on the stay at home role. My partner tried expressing initially but we never managed to get into a routine with that.

My experience of raising concerns in this relationship have been that most concerns are gently dismissed, disagreed with, or ignored. There isn't much you can do when you've asked nicely for some cooperation or compromise and nothing happens. If I bought disposable nappies I was undercut, they were removed and disposed of etc. You can't bend people to your will in a healthy way, and it isn't healthy to try.

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inkognitha · 14/04/2025 14:49

You lived here 10y, not working for most of it yet you never did a bit of DIY?

maoleis · 14/04/2025 14:56

inkognitha · 14/04/2025 14:49

You lived here 10y, not working for most of it yet you never did a bit of DIY?

The house needs more than a 'bit of DIY'. One of the benefits of doing a PhD is that you develop a good sense of your limitations.

As for not working, I'll repeat that I worked part time, while doing a PhD (many PhD students do nothing but this as it is a job in its own right), and stayed at home with a 1 year old through to her school age. I wasn't sitting idle. While we're on the subject, remember that stay at home mothers have other mothers to lean on and vent to. Stay at home dads don't have this in the main (I didn't), and perhaps this is why I'm sharing my 'dramatic stories' on Mumsnet?

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cestlavielife · 14/04/2025 15:29

"Now DD is five she's starting to pick up on the environment and has made comments about wanting a nicer house. I think this is my cue."

Yes op.
You can do this.
So do it. Now.
Rent a nice place for you and dd and she can visit mum.

Mum clearly has her own way of doing things you no longer follow them

Dairymilkisminging · 14/04/2025 15:50

You say you can't get a caravan in the garden can you get them log cabin ones that you build on site? Comes in large parcels.

maoleis · 14/04/2025 15:51

cestlavielife · 14/04/2025 15:29

"Now DD is five she's starting to pick up on the environment and has made comments about wanting a nicer house. I think this is my cue."

Yes op.
You can do this.
So do it. Now.
Rent a nice place for you and dd and she can visit mum.

Mum clearly has her own way of doing things you no longer follow them

Thank you for all the replies and advice, both supportive and corrective. I feel much better about getting my own place and making arrangements for 50/50 now. I'm interviewing for a new job soon that, if I get, can allow me to work 50/50 with the aid of breakfast and after school clubs.

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cestlavielife · 14/04/2025 16:00

Dairymilkisminging · 14/04/2025 15:50

You say you can't get a caravan in the garden can you get them log cabin ones that you build on site? Comes in large parcels.

It is not his property or land. It belongs to his dp .waste of his money.

Dairymilkisminging · 14/04/2025 16:29

Yes I understood that but he mentioned a caravan. Even if he lived in the cabin while his partner lived in her house? Then dd can choose who to be with everyday and not need to move schools or anything. He takes care of his cabin and she hers

cestlavielife · 14/04/2025 17:11

Dependent on the landowner agreeing . She might disagree
And if is going to be difficult conversation better take himself offsite and not risk pigs in his cabin

inkognitha · 14/04/2025 17:33

maoleis · 14/04/2025 14:56

The house needs more than a 'bit of DIY'. One of the benefits of doing a PhD is that you develop a good sense of your limitations.

As for not working, I'll repeat that I worked part time, while doing a PhD (many PhD students do nothing but this as it is a job in its own right), and stayed at home with a 1 year old through to her school age. I wasn't sitting idle. While we're on the subject, remember that stay at home mothers have other mothers to lean on and vent to. Stay at home dads don't have this in the main (I didn't), and perhaps this is why I'm sharing my 'dramatic stories' on Mumsnet?

Maybe a PhD. is great for that, but it does nothing for smugness, does it?

Maybe DIY is not your thing but nothing for 10y? Basic repairs? A one bedroom bungalow? Come on, get off your high white horse of hurt innocence, you co-created this pigsty, great that you want to end it, but own your part in it

maoleis · 14/04/2025 19:35

I'm aware that I'm enabling my partner's behaviour, but there hasn't been a time prior to now where leaving has been a possibility that would, in my view, be fair on my partner. Now that little one is older, settled in school, etc. and partner has been clear that werewe're not working towardtowards a common goal, and following the advice here, iI realise now is the time.

All iI can say on the DIY is spend a week in that house and then tell me what you think is possible.

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maoleis · 14/04/2025 19:51

inkognitha · 14/04/2025 17:33

Maybe a PhD. is great for that, but it does nothing for smugness, does it?

Maybe DIY is not your thing but nothing for 10y? Basic repairs? A one bedroom bungalow? Come on, get off your high white horse of hurt innocence, you co-created this pigsty, great that you want to end it, but own your part in it

While I may not have done much to the house, for reasons that are best illustrated by actually seeing the place and trying to live in it, I have spent years removing decades of rubbish from the garden/land. Examples include removing asbestos guttering and roofing from the property, pulling a fridge freezer and motor parts out of the hedges, etc.

My partner was irate when I paid several hundred for a waste disposal company to take it all away because she feared there may be something valuable in the waste pile. All of it struck me as just a series of hazards on which our daughter might trip and impale herself. Rusty pitchforks sticking out the ground, barbed wire strewn around the place. I've done quite enough thank you.

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