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Was this emotional abuse?

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LucyLou96 · 12/03/2025 16:26

I broke up with my ex of many years 3 months ago. Logically I know the answer is yes, but what I'm struggling to comprehend is the severity of it and keep downplaying it to myself. Here are some instances:

I was lying on his bedroom floor crying and he became more concerned with his parents hearing it and was fed up with me being upset and not telling him why, and even though I told him not to touch me he grabbed me and picked me up aggressively and put me onto the bed to try and make me calm down.

When my depression was bad he'd tell me my moping around was making him miserable. One time he said me wanting to end my life made him want to end his too. Another time he said that me being suicidal was me saying I wanted to leave him.

Sometimes when I expressed a desire to self harm he would threaten to take away things like days out to make me not do it.

He told me that he was worried me being so shy (I'm neurodiverse) would cause his friends and family to dislike me.

He once said that he doesn't know if he should stick around in this relationship if I just end up killing myself.

One time we had an argument late at night and he said he was fed up with me acting how I was (miserable due to being in chronic discomfort/pain) and made me feel guilty for crying, but wouldn't let me go downstairs so he could sleep. Instead he lay in bed listening to music to block out the sound of my crying

Another time I was keeping him awake by crying, he kicked and pushed me in bed and grabbed me and shouted at me to just stop.

He had a go at me to 'find a solution' for being shy around his family, and got mad when I said there may not be one because I'm autistic and can't help it, then we had a huge argument which lasted two days and he told me that I was making it all about myself instead of how he feels by having to think of reasons to his friends & family why I'm shy (I refused to let him tell them I was autistic at the time)

When I was crying late at night he said if I kept him up by crying and he had to drive home on only 4 hours sleep he'd be very pissed off with me, but then went on his phone and did not respond to me when I told him why I was crying

One time when I was overwhelmed and had been scratching to self harm, then tried to stop myself by holding onto the bed to give my hands something to do, and he got angry with me for keeping him awake. He didn't comfort me when I cried, then when I tried to seek comfort from him by snuggling up to him he kept pushing my head away

When WFH, during a work call I had an anxiety attack and was crying on the floor as I got so worked up about my part during a weekly meeting. He shouted at me how I should just quit if I can’t handle the job and get a lower paying less stressful job. I felt even worse so I crawled into the spare room so he couldn’t see me crying anymore as I didn’t want to make him more pissed off with me

When we were struggling to put a piece of furniture together, whilst I had covid, he got annoyed with me. He called me useless, but wouldn’t let me help, then told me I should at least do something useful. He said things like: "Get out of the way, Shut the fuck up, Whatever princess wants, Do something useful for once, Useless, You’re not helping"

I think everything has become so normalised to me that I struggle to see my own situation, so I'd really appreciate some outsider's opinions on what I've described. Thanks in advance

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LucyLou96 · 13/03/2025 11:57

BaronessMachiavelli · 13/03/2025 11:55

Side? 🤦🏼‍♀️

My ex's ex best friend no longer wants to remain friends with him after learning what he did to me. So yes, side.

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CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:00

SnoopysHoose · 13/03/2025 11:52

@CrownOfEagleFeathers
Don't be so gullible, OP tried to blame the guy and when she was told she was in the wrong out came the drip of no it's not me.
OP is possibly unwell and extremely manipulative, all the performative crying and woe is me.

Unless you know more about this situation than anyone else reading the thread, that sounds like your own opinion. Not a fact.

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 13/03/2025 12:02

LucyLou96 · 13/03/2025 11:57

My ex's ex best friend no longer wants to remain friends with him after learning what he did to me. So yes, side.

Why didn't you tell them at the time it was happening?

IfIHadAHeart · 13/03/2025 12:04

OP I don’t think anyone is suggesting he was a saint. He reacted very badly in the early stages (I am not discussing the clear abuse that came later), but it is impossible to tell whether that’s because he’s a horrible person or just one who lacked the tools and maturity to cope with your behaviour. Which was abusive.

I think you need to question why you are fixated on understanding his behaviour. We can never truly understand another person, or their reasons for behaving in a certain way. So there is no value for you in picking over his actions/feelings/motivations.

The one thing that will be of great value to you in the future is understanding your own behaviour, because this will allow you to do better in future. Blame is not a useful concept in this situation; the one thing that will be useful to you is to learn how to regulate your own emotions and control your own behaviour in future. That’s what will allow you to be happy going forward, whether that’s by yourself or in a relationship.

SnoopysHoose · 13/03/2025 12:05

@CrownOfEagleFeathers
An opinion that's easy to have reading OPs comments.
Anyone can say anything on here.
It's a pattern they get called out and then start the drip feed to be the victim.
friends taking sides? is this teenage angst 101?

CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:08

SnoopysHoose · 13/03/2025 12:05

@CrownOfEagleFeathers
An opinion that's easy to have reading OPs comments.
Anyone can say anything on here.
It's a pattern they get called out and then start the drip feed to be the victim.
friends taking sides? is this teenage angst 101?

Tbh, it sounds like you wanting to attack someone who is clearly traumatised.

Eightdayz · 13/03/2025 12:23

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LucyLou96 · 13/03/2025 12:26

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I can't even tell if you're saying this just to try and create further discourse.

Why would I lie about something so serious?

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Eightdayz · 13/03/2025 12:28

CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:00

Unless you know more about this situation than anyone else reading the thread, that sounds like your own opinion. Not a fact.

That's exactly what these are... opinions based on what we've read (drip feeds obfuscate this!)

Why is yours more valid than ours?

Eightdayz · 13/03/2025 12:30

LucyLou96 · 13/03/2025 12:26

I can't even tell if you're saying this just to try and create further discourse.

Why would I lie about something so serious?

In an attempt to divert blame on to him. When a lot of people on this thread. don't agree with that.

I work with a manipulative person and this a route one tactic of a manipulator.

Had you laid it all out in your OP i may have felt differently. The drip feeds and the snarky responses re a massive red flag as to your intentions. Is all his fault. End of. Sorry but I'm not buying that.

BaronessMachiavelli · 13/03/2025 12:32

CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:08

Tbh, it sounds like you wanting to attack someone who is clearly traumatised.

Are you the OP?! 😂

CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:32

Eightdayz · 13/03/2025 12:28

That's exactly what these are... opinions based on what we've read (drip feeds obfuscate this!)

Why is yours more valid than ours?

I'm not the one going for the throat of someone who is obviously especially vulnerable to further attacks.

The OP needs to be going through these difficult details with people who are trained. Telling her over and over that she's a liar, manipulative, etc when she is describing clear abuse towards her isn't the way to help, as I believe anyone trained in supporting abuse victims would tell you.

No one here knows anything except that this is a delicate situation. It's unlikely to benefit from personal attacks.

CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:33

BaronessMachiavelli · 13/03/2025 12:32

Are you the OP?! 😂

No.

CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:34

Eightdayz · 13/03/2025 12:30

In an attempt to divert blame on to him. When a lot of people on this thread. don't agree with that.

I work with a manipulative person and this a route one tactic of a manipulator.

Had you laid it all out in your OP i may have felt differently. The drip feeds and the snarky responses re a massive red flag as to your intentions. Is all his fault. End of. Sorry but I'm not buying that.

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No one is responsible for him choosing to manhandle the OP other than himself.

Eightdayz · 13/03/2025 12:39

CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:32

I'm not the one going for the throat of someone who is obviously especially vulnerable to further attacks.

The OP needs to be going through these difficult details with people who are trained. Telling her over and over that she's a liar, manipulative, etc when she is describing clear abuse towards her isn't the way to help, as I believe anyone trained in supporting abuse victims would tell you.

No one here knows anything except that this is a delicate situation. It's unlikely to benefit from personal attacks.

I'm not going for her throat. That's ludicrous. Nobody is.

This just feels like an attempt by you to suppress dissenting opinions.

I have my opinions and I'm not sorry about them.

Have you ever encountered manipulative people? They are a fucking nightmare.

CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:43

Eightdayz · 13/03/2025 12:39

I'm not going for her throat. That's ludicrous. Nobody is.

This just feels like an attempt by you to suppress dissenting opinions.

I have my opinions and I'm not sorry about them.

Have you ever encountered manipulative people? They are a fucking nightmare.

I disagree. I said something because I feel like this thread has an unpleasant and unhelpful tone.

Yes, I have encountered manipulative people. I didn't feel the need to physically assault them. So even if that is your view of the OP, it still doesn't justify her being attacked.

BaronessMachiavelli · 13/03/2025 12:46

CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:43

I disagree. I said something because I feel like this thread has an unpleasant and unhelpful tone.

Yes, I have encountered manipulative people. I didn't feel the need to physically assault them. So even if that is your view of the OP, it still doesn't justify her being attacked.

Being reasonable, I don't think anyone thinks he's coped with or responded to any of this well, the point is that she is entirely fixated on demonising him when it's a good mixture of both their behaviours that's been shocking here.

LucyLou96 · 13/03/2025 12:54

Eightdayz · 13/03/2025 12:39

I'm not going for her throat. That's ludicrous. Nobody is.

This just feels like an attempt by you to suppress dissenting opinions.

I have my opinions and I'm not sorry about them.

Have you ever encountered manipulative people? They are a fucking nightmare.

I encountered a manipulative person in the form of my ex. He told me I was being paranoid for suspecting he was cheating and encouraged me to see a therapist for my paranoia. Then when I told him I had proof as I saw the messages, he told me I was the manipulative one for the way I went about confronting him and that I was wrong to have invaded his privacy. He then told me he had an addiction to sexting, that he'd stop, that it was wrong of him to have done it. But he never did. He just got better at hiding it. He spent countless nights alone downstairs on our sofa telling me he was gaming when he was in fact sexting. He told me that I was imagining seeing certain apps on his phone, he'd quickly delete the app then show me his phone without it installed to 'prove' to me he was not doing what I suspected him of doing. He swore on his mother's life that he wasn't going away on an out of character spontaneous night alone in another town to cheat, but to 'get some time away from his shitty life'.

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CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 12:59

LucyLou96 · 13/03/2025 12:54

I encountered a manipulative person in the form of my ex. He told me I was being paranoid for suspecting he was cheating and encouraged me to see a therapist for my paranoia. Then when I told him I had proof as I saw the messages, he told me I was the manipulative one for the way I went about confronting him and that I was wrong to have invaded his privacy. He then told me he had an addiction to sexting, that he'd stop, that it was wrong of him to have done it. But he never did. He just got better at hiding it. He spent countless nights alone downstairs on our sofa telling me he was gaming when he was in fact sexting. He told me that I was imagining seeing certain apps on his phone, he'd quickly delete the app then show me his phone without it installed to 'prove' to me he was not doing what I suspected him of doing. He swore on his mother's life that he wasn't going away on an out of character spontaneous night alone in another town to cheat, but to 'get some time away from his shitty life'.

That sounds really awful to go through x

SnoopysHoose · 13/03/2025 13:12

@CrownOfEagleFeathers
I'd love the man's side, bet he's traumatised with OPs manipulative drama

LucyLou96 · 13/03/2025 13:14

SnoopysHoose · 13/03/2025 13:12

@CrownOfEagleFeathers
I'd love the man's side, bet he's traumatised with OPs manipulative drama

He's traumatised because...?

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CrownOfEagleFeathers · 13/03/2025 13:19

SnoopysHoose · 13/03/2025 13:12

@CrownOfEagleFeathers
I'd love the man's side, bet he's traumatised with OPs manipulative drama

You'd like to hear the side of a violent cheater? 😑

Ok. Each to their own...

ImaniMumsnet · 13/03/2025 13:21

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OP, sorry for hijacking your thread - we wish you this best of luck.

SchrodingersTwat2 · 13/03/2025 13:27

Couldn't his parents hear him shouting in your face and growling at you?

LucyLou96 · 13/03/2025 13:30

SchrodingersTwat2 · 13/03/2025 13:27

Couldn't his parents hear him shouting in your face and growling at you?

Not the sort of semi whisper growl right in your face that isn't heard through a shut door. When he shouted at me I have no idea if they heard, these arguments would happen after midnight and they went to bed around 10pm.

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