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I need a good rant - advice also helpful!

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Sunflowers67 · 12/03/2025 12:21

So, we have been together about 15 years now - living together for 14 of those.
I always knew he was a little 'quirky' but I suppose with family, friends, busy career, I was able to handle it better.
Now, we are both semi retired, my dad passed away so my mum lives with us (not easy, but what else can an only child do), the kids have left home and his 'quirky' little ways are far more noticeable, annoying and darn right hurtful at times.
We are also due to get married in two weeks and I don't think I'm gonna do it. It wont bother him if we don't, he'll just shrug his shoulders and carry on as usual. He wont leave our home or threaten to end the relationship - he never does. Sometimes I wish there would be a huge display of emotion and anger and then we can both just shout at each other, get it out of our systems and then communicate and repair. But he doesn't communicate, he never sees a problem and I am increasingly becoming immune and unfeeling towards him - I suppose its a form of self protection.
We have separate bedrooms, seperate interests and I would say we have lived together like two mates for years - except I don't treat my mates like this.

So, what does he do that is so bad? he doesn't drink much, he is not a cheat, he is not secretive, he would help anyone (except me), he tolerates my mother living with us, he gets on well with my grown up kids (he chooses not to see his family).
He has no emotions, he cannot 'read a room', he doesnt know when I am sad or worried or down as he cannot recognise body language or facial expressions. I have felt for quite some time that he is maybe autistic (his son is, which is why he chooses not to see him - he cant handle the skewed thoughts and strange behaviours from him and never did when he was a small child - the boy was raised by his alcoholic mother, we tried for custody but because we didn't get it, my other half then decided to not see the boy).
Not my style of parenting, but it was his choice.
Now, as we are getting on in years and my health has taken a down turn, I need his support and understanding more. And it isn't there. But then it never was.
I spend my days doing my own thing around the large property that we have - if we try and do something together, gardening, cleaning, maintenance, he just gets frustrated that I'm not doing it his way! So we work separately.
Many a time I have tried to talk to him and he takes it so personally, gets angry, wants very specific examples of how his behaviour has hurt me - and even if I do remember specifics, he then disputes it and turns it all around so as its me with the problem.
Then I am the one more upset, the one staying in my room wondering how my life amounted to this? And what dooes he do whilst I'm upset? He is carrying on as normal, in his own little world. He'll put some music on, he will sing and whistle and be merry. I suppose in his mind, this is me being me - moody, upset and I will snap out of it in a few days. Which I do. The hurt dissipates a little so I carry on functioning normally again - I will talk to him, I will get busy and then round we go again. Same old same old.
I have given up trying to talk to him, I know it does no good. I have tried to get us into some counselling but no where near me does 'couples counselling' - he is willing to go if I find somewhere. He is probably hoping that a counsellor will point out 'the error of my ways'.
I think what bothers me the most is the fact that it doesn't bother him that we are like this - that he is not upset, he doesn't try to talk to me about us, there is just nothing there with him.
I am upstairs now, typing this, and I can hear him downstairs singing away, happy and joyful. I feel like I want to go downstairs and hit him with the large skillet and scream 'feel that buster?!' - I wont, I'm not a violent person. But god does he bring out the worst in me.

Going our separate ways is probably the best option but its quite a scary thought to go it alone after 15 years - and then splitting all the assets, looking after mother, tending to this large place/or even having to sell it and split the proceeds, lawyers. He also would not leave the home so we would be living in more hell until everything was finalised and I am the only one that feels the pain of that.

I suppose I really want us/him to change. And I'm old enough to know that wont happen - been there/divorced that many years ago.

Thank you for letting me offload.

OP posts:
2024onwardsandup · 09/05/2025 15:36

Sunflowers67 · 05/05/2025 10:07

I'm just lurking around here, reading posts, keeping my mind busy and trying to wade through the neck deep treacle that is my brain at the moment!
One moment I'm strong and determined and the next I question everything to the point of not being able to think or make sense of it at all. Maybe there are no answers or sense to it all, maybe I will one day just wake up and shrug my shoulders and just accept that he was a little (or a lot) skewed and there was nothing I could do about that.
I have a fabulous counsellor wo can help me to untangle my mind.

I have been wondering why I am not angry - but then I suppose if you are a naturally calm and patient person, not prone to anger, then it makes more sense that you would be hurt rather than angry. I wonder which is better? I think this is.

I feel very sorry for him too - such pity for an intelligent human being that would do nothing to help himself. Surely they have some insight into how they are behaving towards the person they love/loved. Or was I just someone? Anyone? More of a 'caretaker' to their wants and needs than an equal partner.
So what sort of fool does that make me for not seeing it until the damage is done.

Ramblings of a confused mind! I will go and scrub the oven or something instead and let my mind rest.

Have a lovely day everyone.

You’re disassociated - and probably have been for a very long time as a result of a very traumatic childhood ❤️

eatreadsleeprepeat · 09/05/2025 15:41

Am so sorry you are feeling like this, it is natural to have doubts but you need to let the voice of reason be louder. Maybe print out some of your posts, highlight significant parts and have the to hand when you doubt the abuse. There is a syndrome where prisoners identify with their captors, could you have a mild version of this?
Maybe give the same energy that you gave to cleaning the oven to clearing the house of his possessions, packed away ready for him to collect they will be less evocative. It will also be the first steps to reclaiming your space and modelling how you will live after this. A year is too long to live in limbo so as you say, one foot in front of the other! The steps can be tiny as long as you keep going. I sometimes end up muttering ‘maintain forward momentum’!
Be kind to yourself.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 09/05/2025 16:30

That is fantastic news ! you can now enjoy your house !!!

and hopefully the legal stuff to get him out / the house sold / your son getting a mortgage will all be done by then.

clearly you need to have all his belongings packed up and gone to wherever he is currently staying or send it all to his solicitor if you don't know where he is.

You can now sleep soundly in your bed every single night !

and enjoy a nice quiet peaceful house !!!

stop making excuses for him...

Sunflowers67 · 09/05/2025 17:07

That's correct - he is not allowed near me or to contact me in any shape or form or through a third party/social media - nothing nada!
Any possessions he requires have to be pre-arranged with the police, a list provided and they will collect.

I sat under the trees, chain smoked (recently started again) had a good cry and feel better.
Tonight, I am going to cook. I always used to love cooking but it was pointless doing anything special for him, so I pretty much stopped. I used to put some music on, have a glass of wine and really enjoy doing it - until there was always a complaint, never any appreciation and that took all the enjoyment away for me.
I like to do things for other people, I like to make people happy and for them to feel special to me - but I gave that up.

Another positive out of today - there has been a book I have wanted to read for some time now but I knew 1. I couldn't justify the expense and 2. I'd never get to read it as there was never a moments peace within my mind - I found it! Staring out at me from the charity book stall at the supermarket.

One of those leaflets was also shoved through the door about adult education classes - I think I may go and expand my mind with something. Not sure what yet - I will have a look through the courses later and see what grabs me. Get the old grey matter working on something different.

Its also a beautiful day and I will not waste any more of it thinking about him. He is his problem.

OP posts:
S0j0urn4r · 09/05/2025 17:26

That all sounds positive. You're your own boss now 🤗

Daleksatemyshed · 09/05/2025 18:10

This all sounds really positive @Sunflowers67 , I know it's hard because some part of you still misses him but you're getting your life back and that's wonderful

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 09/05/2025 18:46

When somebody has been through a terrible trauma they want to soothe their pain. And they can feel that the person who caused it can remove it by making it go away.
It is a normal reaction.
But time and distance will help. Find other ways to soothe yourself - as you are doing.
Of course, it’s a loss. Nobody is a complete monster, but the person you want a hug from is the man you first met, not the man who was abusing you.
The man you met has long gone. Keep going, you will have low points, but you have freedom now.

S0j0urn4r · 13/05/2025 12:44

@Sunflowers67 How are you doing? 🤗

Molstraat · 13/05/2025 13:26

How amazing that he has to stay away.
What a blessing.
Distance will help you detach from him, to truly see how he has terribly wronged you.

Lostinmyself · 13/05/2025 15:23

Read through every one of your updates. I am proud of everything you have faced and how you have came out the other side. The worst is past....

Time to start living

Nanny0gg · 13/05/2025 19:15

Arancia · 03/05/2025 19:06

Don't give a shit.

Clearly.

Sunflowers67 · 14/05/2025 00:21

Well, still bad days and okay type days - I don't think I have gotten to the 'good days' yet.
I don't miss him terribly - not the 'I can't stop crying' type of terribly anyway - in fact I am finding crying very difficult but I think that's because I did it all over the last couple of years. As many say, I think I had checked out a long time ago but I was hanging in there by my fingernails hoping he would change, get some help, see what he was doing to us.

I am still desperate for validation though - despite all the professionals, family and you guys on here saying so, I can't get a handle on HE ABUSED ME.
Why will my brain not compute that?
My brain keeps telling me that it was just a normal relationship breakdown, he acted as anyone would if they are hurt, he was just lashing out verbally to let off steam.
Me 'grey rocking' for the previous couple of weeks, whilst still sharing a house, drove him even madder - it's my fault that he was tipped over.

And I am so worried about him still. I don't know where he is living, how he is coping - maybe he has had some huge epiphany and is desperately trying to sort himself out, has professional help, is talking about his drinking, gambling, anger.

I feel it would be really helpful to me to know that he is just fine, doesn't gives a rats ass how I am, is not sorry for how he behaved and still see's me as the problem.
He's probably already got a new girlfriend, spending his days in the betting shops and his evenings drinking beer, living the life of Riley as a single man and here I am wasting my energy worrying about him.
Who was Riley anyways??!!

I hope everyone else is managing okay, finding some good days and getting through the bad ones - keep putting one foot in front of the other! 😘

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S0j0urn4r · 14/05/2025 14:38

One day at a time. You're doing so well 🤗

kellygoeswest · 14/05/2025 15:06

I doubt he's happy, someone like him will never be happy. He'll continue being the same entitled, nasty man who blames everyone but himself for the outcome of his life (his marriage breakdowns, the lack of relationship with his child...).

I wouldn't spend a second more feeling sorry for him, which I know is easier said than done, as obviously you're a very empathetic person.

I hope someday in the near future you'll be able to live for you and be entirely free of him, emotionally and financially!

GenerousGardener · 14/05/2025 15:34

When you are feeling sorry for him, reread your previous posts. It’ll give you all the affirmation you need that you are doing the right thing.

Stay strong. Be kind to yourself.

pikkumyy77 · 15/05/2025 12:11

You are going to have to work hard to right your little ship. You need to bail, bail, bail this poisonous relationship out of your system. HE CAN NEVER HAVE BEEN RIGHT that you had any kind of Mental Health problem (you were a fruit loop) because the way he treated you was inappropriate for the treatment of a person who was mentally ill. He is not a therapist. He was your jailer and your tormentor using kindness alternated with cruelty to break you down and destroy you.

Confusedmeanderings · 15/05/2025 13:44

OP I have just read your thread. I know that you don't feel it, but you are amazingly strong. Hang on in there.

Daleksatemyshed · 16/05/2025 18:49

Your brain tells you it was all a normal way to live, well sorry Op but yoir brain is a liar. It's not normal to put up with endless shit from a man and in time you'll see it for how it really is, just at the moment you're not there yet, but you will be. Some bad habits are very hard to break

Sunflowers67 · 16/05/2025 20:54

Emotional rollercoaster - strapped in for the ride!
One day okay, one day I'm wobbly and shaking and even had a few tears today. Was in the supermarket and it came from nowhere. Had to tell the poor startled man next to me that the price of bread was so upsetting.
I did something last night that I really didn't know if I should or not - another leftover is not being able to make decisions.
I made contact with one of his previous wives! Apologised, but asked her why they divorced. Nice lady - now happily married but had been quite traumatised by the very short experience of dating and marrying my ex.
Emotionally abusive, aggressive, blaming, controlling, manipulative and she felt that she was on egg shells all the time to try not to upset him. She told him to leave after a year and he went around telling everyone that she had issues and was mentally unstable.
Further validation for my poor confused brain.

I found a great article about covert, passive aggressive narcissists too. I could have written that. Its him. That is what he is. The only traits that I couldn't identify was 'makes unreasonable demands & gossips'. But then 28/30 is a pretty good score.

Maybe that is why I have been upset today - realisation and acceptance sinking in at last?

I wonder where I will be, what I will be doing and how I will feel 1 year from now?

Have a great weekend everyone and keep on keeping on 😘

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Molstraat · 16/05/2025 21:09

They ALWAYS have history and form.

pikkumyy77 · 17/05/2025 01:47

Sunflowers67 · 16/05/2025 20:54

Emotional rollercoaster - strapped in for the ride!
One day okay, one day I'm wobbly and shaking and even had a few tears today. Was in the supermarket and it came from nowhere. Had to tell the poor startled man next to me that the price of bread was so upsetting.
I did something last night that I really didn't know if I should or not - another leftover is not being able to make decisions.
I made contact with one of his previous wives! Apologised, but asked her why they divorced. Nice lady - now happily married but had been quite traumatised by the very short experience of dating and marrying my ex.
Emotionally abusive, aggressive, blaming, controlling, manipulative and she felt that she was on egg shells all the time to try not to upset him. She told him to leave after a year and he went around telling everyone that she had issues and was mentally unstable.
Further validation for my poor confused brain.

I found a great article about covert, passive aggressive narcissists too. I could have written that. Its him. That is what he is. The only traits that I couldn't identify was 'makes unreasonable demands & gossips'. But then 28/30 is a pretty good score.

Maybe that is why I have been upset today - realisation and acceptance sinking in at last?

I wonder where I will be, what I will be doing and how I will feel 1 year from now?

Have a great weekend everyone and keep on keeping on 😘

Good for you for doing the research! Now you know its not you, its him. In a year you will look back and laugh.

Sunflowers67 · 17/05/2025 12:10

#pikkumyy77 "in a year you will look back and laugh".

I'm not sure I will ever look back and laugh on all of this - I may end up with a permanent nervous twitch and white hair though!

OP posts:
S0j0urn4r · 17/05/2025 12:12

Sunflowers67 · 17/05/2025 12:10

#pikkumyy77 "in a year you will look back and laugh".

I'm not sure I will ever look back and laugh on all of this - I may end up with a permanent nervous twitch and white hair though!

I got the white hair! Not so bad, lovely. I'm a silver fox now.
Just keep buggering on. We're all rooting for you.🤗

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 17/05/2025 14:30

In the future, you will look back and marvel at how you survived him. You will be proud of yourself. You're doing well

Daleksatemyshed · 17/05/2025 17:26

His Ex told you she left after just a year but she's still effected by it, is it any wonder your emotions are all over the place Op?