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Cross dressing partner apparently given it up

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Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 13:21

Hi guys, I don't know if anyone remembers me from last year, whereby I posted about my partner being away for work staying in a hotel. I had my suspicions that he might be cheating so checked his laptop search history to find that he'd bid on a pair of stripper heels on Ebay and had googled where to buy female bodysuits in the area he was currently in.

Well, here I am, back again and desperately needing to vent/advice as I can't speak to anybody about it in real life and I'm feeling terrible about the whole thing. During the time I had that thread running (I eventually requested for it to be removed), posters on here were suggesting that the shoes were perhaps for him and not another woman. Well they were right.

It turns out that since he was 12 he had been experimenting with womens tights, bodysuits etc. When he had some time to himself he enjoyed doing cocaine and dressing in these types of clothes, as well as latex bodysuits.That night I found all of this in his history, rang him and confronted him about what I had found he was understandably embarassed and ashamed. He promised me not to tell anyone, hence why I had the thread removed.

The issue is that he of course said it's something he wouldn't do again. I remember my words at the time being somewhere along the lines of this is clearly a big part of who you are and I don't believe you can stop. Regardless, I continued the relationship but several months later, whilst washing the pots I looked up and noticed his keys on my key hook. At the time he was working over 2 hours away so I thought, sod it I'm going there to check.

I got on my bike and headed to his. As I mentioned last year we are on a family tracker, and as soon as I got close to his place, he rang me in a panic asking why I'm near his. I told him outright I'm going to see what's there. He was panicking so much he sounded like he was going to cry but I hung up and continued on, shaking and in fear of what I would find. Stupidly at this point I still believed it would be a womans clothes that he'd cheated on me with.

Got there, opened the door, bag of tights, rubber suit, female bodysuit the whole shebang, clearly been in a rush and put nothing away. Rubber suit had clearly been worn. In a frenzy, I biked home shaking and unfortunately subsequently had quite a bad accident whereby I bumped my head and needed an ambulance. A few days later was my 40th Birthday, myself, him and a few friends went into town but that got ruined as he spent the arse end of the night staring at any woman that happened to be wearing tights. Probably the worst week of my life and I've had some bad ones.

Anyway, as it was clear this was not something he could let go of, we arranged a city break away. I packed all the things I knew he'd like and we ended up having an evening with him in his tights, butt plug, restraints, the lot. He was nervous at first but very much enjoyed the evening. Tbh it did nothing for me but no particularly negative feelings.

The problem is I don't think I really realised how this would impact me. The manner in which I found out was bloody awful, quite frankly. His attitude was that I shouldn't have gone looking but I just knew in my gut something wasn't right. He often struggled to maintain erections and just never seemed to really WANT me iyswim. I never felt lusted after, he often turned down sex for reasons such as tiredness, stress etc.

To now. I am angry. I feel my right to make an informed decision having all the information presented to me was removed, although I do understand why he hid it from me. I feel unattractive (which objectively I don't think I am), I can't really explain why but I no longer feel feminine, like a woman. I've started making less of an effort with my appearance, I just don't really care anymore.

Anyway, we are now going round in circles. He swore a few months back that it would never happen again, to which obviously I don't believe, but he is insistent. My argument is I am now 40 years old, not old by any means but old enough to not have the time to be wasting on shit like this. He states he no longer needs it and it was something he only enjoyed doing whilst using drugs, which he doesn't do anymore. Essentially he is trying to make the argument that it was not at all a part of him but something drugs made him do. I'm not an idiot and I know this is unlikely the case.

I would say I'm now pretty depressed to be honest. I've lost any enjoyment in life, though I mask it well to outsiders.

On a few occasions I've drank too much wine and been incredibly nasty to him, belittling, mocking etc which he doesn't deserve as tbh other than this he has been the most patient, kind, caring boyfriend I have ever had. No excuse really but I believe I've done this to make him feel as crap as I'm left feeling. I feel at this point we would be better off separating but he says he adores me and doesn't want to break up, that it will never happen again.

Sorry for the long post and if you've got this far then thanks for reading. Any advice/experience with this would be greatly appreciated. Really don't know what to do for the best and at this point, sick of men really. There's always bloody something with them.

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Xiaoxiong · 10/03/2025 14:31

Gosh I missed the self-harming to force you to stay in the relationship.

He said he was in deep pain and it wasn't done to manipulate me.

Well of course he would say that wouldn't he!!

You are not his rescuer or his saviour - if he does it when you break up with him this time, tell him he needs to seek professional help that you are not qualified to provide and then block him to avoid further manipulation.

greatfrontage · 10/03/2025 14:32

It's okay to leave him. His mental health is not your responsibility, and you can't spend the rest of your life catering to a kink that actively harms your OWN mental health. You're only 40. Walk away and don't be sucked in by his faux-suicide attempts either - they're not your problem.

I would strongly suggest finding a therapist and being very open with them about all this to help you keep your own thoughts straight as you navigate leaving him, but a clean break would probably be best for both of you.

bertiebump · 10/03/2025 14:38

You are wasting your life away. The cocaine would have done it for me without any other complications. Buy him a nice dress and say goodbye.

Mrsbloggz · 10/03/2025 14:43

Op, to echo everyone else this man won't change.
I'd say that because of all the trauma and stress; extreme things that have happened between you etc you are somewhat trauma bonded to him and this will make it difficult for you to cut ties.
For your own sake you must cut ties and move on with your life without him.

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 14:46

Well I've just had a look on Pornhub for the first time at some Sissy porn and Christ on a cracjer, if I wasn't turned off I certainly am now.

Can somebody please explain this type of porn to me please? The thumbnails I saw that he had watched appeared to be people in full suits, trussed up, but I really din't know whether they were men or women. Judging by what I've just seen I'm fairly confident it was men..

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HardenYourHeart · 10/03/2025 14:48

I did try to leave him last year but he cut his neck and arms up, did a piss poor job of it, stating that the blade was blunt, to which I said well you didn't want to due that badly then. I told him what he had done was deeply manipulative and that he's effectively holding me hostage. He said he was in deep pain and it wasn't done to manipulate me. Sigh.

This is emotional blackmail. There is an audio recording of Johnny Depp doing this Amber Heard. In it she is begging him not to do it and he keeps threatening to do it. It's harrowing to listen to.

In your shoes I would get out of this shit-show of a relationship as soon as possible. It doesn't matter if he acts "kindly" 90% of the time. Some behavior is just unacceptable and so damaging to the person forced to witness it. It is pure narcissistic manipulation.

Mrsbloggz · 10/03/2025 14:48

OP, what you feel for this man is not love, or at least not in any good sense of the word love.
Love is a form of emotional attachment, but not all emotional attachments should be subscribed as love. When you have emotionally intense experiences with someone that tends to make you feel emotionally bonded to them, but when the emotionally intense experiences are negative or traumatic then the bond which is created is best described as a trauma bond which is mutually harmful.
Love on the other hand should be mutually beneficial.

BodyKeepingScore · 10/03/2025 14:52

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 14:46

Well I've just had a look on Pornhub for the first time at some Sissy porn and Christ on a cracjer, if I wasn't turned off I certainly am now.

Can somebody please explain this type of porn to me please? The thumbnails I saw that he had watched appeared to be people in full suits, trussed up, but I really din't know whether they were men or women. Judging by what I've just seen I'm fairly confident it was men..

It has been explained to you... it's porn centred around the humiliation and degradation of men whilst they're dressed as or role playing as women. It is hugely hugely misogynistic.

MondayYogurt · 10/03/2025 14:55

Sorry OP. You've got yourself an AGP.

You can't treat this like him giving up chocolate digestives, this is a key part of his personality since he was busy nicking his mum's underwear at 12.

It turns out that since he was 12 he had been experimenting with womens tights, bodysuits etc.

This part here ^^ this is who he is, and importantly, who he wants to be.
If you don't move on, at some point you'll find the wig that matches your haircut at the back of his wardrobe.

There will never be a feeling in his life as big of a high as the feeling he gets from pretending he's a woman. That includes any relationship. That includes you.

TY78910 · 10/03/2025 14:57

LimeGoose · 10/03/2025 14:15

It’s not the same thing. Cross dressing men are often autogynephiles (turned on by the idea of themselves as women, which is linked to the idea of women as objects) and unfortunately this is driven by misogyny. Women wanting to peg men occasionally are not driven by misandry as a rule.

The autogynephilia theory from the 80s has been widely scrutinised and the conclusions that have been drawn in your post are quite malicious. There is no official link.

Whilst some men may indeed feel that way, there will be others that question their own identity, generally love and subsequently be drawn to femininity amongst other reasons.

this is classic Mumsnet - all men who are not Dave who wears an M&S polo, straight leg jeans, goes to work and back, watches Sunday football and enjoys a Toby Carvery, must be misogynistic perverts who want to harm all women.

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 15:00

TY78910 I agree with you here. He says he likes the feeling of the naterislnon his skin. Which when it comes to the feeling of a tight latex catsuit, I kind of get, although personally I would fee the opposite- claustrophobic.

I asked him if that was the case, why the need for the stripper heels? Because they don't 'feel' anything other than feminine. They elongate ones legs, to make one appear more womanly. So I am not happy with, nor do I believe he dies it simply for the feeling of material on his skin.

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BorgQueen · 10/03/2025 15:04

Get shot of this inadequate, porn soaked loser before it detroys what’s left of your self esteem.
I don’t know how you can even look at him 🤢

Triptraptrippytap · 10/03/2025 15:05

You are a trans widow @Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 . Definitely look for the thread, where you will get endless understanding and support.

AllISeeIsTrees · 10/03/2025 15:11

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 14:46

Well I've just had a look on Pornhub for the first time at some Sissy porn and Christ on a cracjer, if I wasn't turned off I certainly am now.

Can somebody please explain this type of porn to me please? The thumbnails I saw that he had watched appeared to be people in full suits, trussed up, but I really din't know whether they were men or women. Judging by what I've just seen I'm fairly confident it was men..

God I must be so innocent because I've never heard of sissy porn! I don't think I want to know what it is either

Gettingbysomehow · 10/03/2025 15:12

Kink/fetish people don't change. Me and my exH got divorced because of this, all he cared about was kink and latex. I don't want that forced into my life so that was the end for me.
He's lied to me about it and apparently his ex wife divorced him for it as well. I only found that out recently and I never would have married him if I'd known. It had a devastating effect on my life.

Fionuala · 10/03/2025 15:17

oh this sounds awful. Leave him. Leave him to all his trash and toys!!

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 15:22

Just can't believe I'm here, I genuinely thought this was it for me. Can't get passed it either way so I guess it's time to call it a day. Makes me really sad to think about though. He's not the man i thought he was.

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AllISeeIsTrees · 10/03/2025 15:24

The only thing that matters is how you feel about it. If you can't accept it and find it off-putting the best thing for you both is to split. There's no point thinking he will change and there's no point in him trying to promise he will. It's been part of him for the majority of his life so even if he wanted to stop I think deep down it would still be there in him so neither of you are going to be happy. You could meet someone who is more in line with how you view things and it's quite possible he could meet someone who wouldn't find it an issue.

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 15:26

Makes me sad that I can't fulfill that need for him, like I'm not enough basically.

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AllISeeIsTrees · 10/03/2025 15:26

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 15:22

Just can't believe I'm here, I genuinely thought this was it for me. Can't get passed it either way so I guess it's time to call it a day. Makes me really sad to think about though. He's not the man i thought he was.

I'm so sorry, it must be very upsetting. Why is life so damned complicated!!

AllISeeIsTrees · 10/03/2025 15:29

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 15:26

Makes me sad that I can't fulfill that need for him, like I'm not enough basically.

You totally are enough, please don't think that about yourself. Sometimes people just aren't compatible and the way you've found out makes it very hard. I can sort of understand why he didn't tell you but really, he should have done before you got invested and he's also manipulating you with the self harm. Don't let him do that.

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2025 15:35

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 14:13

Thank you so much for your responses. As much as I am angry and hurt, I do nonetheless love him. Outside of this issue, he treats me extremely well, the best anybody else has treated me and we are so compatible in every other way. We bumble along nicely together.

I just cannot risk anymore of my time, I just feel it incredibly unlikely that I won"t find out something else down the road and simply cannot go through it again, but there us a part of me that wonders whether he really can just give it up, he insists it isn't something he needs and that he only wants me. He doesn't seem to grasp how much this has damaged my confidence, my self esteem, my identity as a woman.

I did try to leave him last year but he cut his neck and arms up, did a piss poor job of it, stating that the blade was blunt, to which I said well you didn't want to due that badly then. I told him what he had done was deeply manipulative and that he's effectively holding me hostage. He said he was in deep pain and it wasn't done to manipulate me. Sigh.

You know it was.

You know this man is a liar, he's emotionally abusive and he doesn't respect you.

His paraphernalia is more important to him than you, and it always will be.

You are his emotional punching bag. He wants to control you because it's ALWAYS about power and control when you have the above red flags.

End it, block him. If he tries to contact you, ignore. If he persists say it's harassment and work from there.

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2025 15:40

TY78910 · 10/03/2025 14:57

The autogynephilia theory from the 80s has been widely scrutinised and the conclusions that have been drawn in your post are quite malicious. There is no official link.

Whilst some men may indeed feel that way, there will be others that question their own identity, generally love and subsequently be drawn to femininity amongst other reasons.

this is classic Mumsnet - all men who are not Dave who wears an M&S polo, straight leg jeans, goes to work and back, watches Sunday football and enjoys a Toby Carvery, must be misogynistic perverts who want to harm all women.

Well if you are dressing up in latex and all the stuff detailed on this thread for sexual kicks, you ARE a pervert! It's literally a fetish - it's sexual behaviour that's unusual and outside the boundaries of normality.

That somewhat different from gender non-conforming Dave the plumber who likes nail varnish, long hair and pink t-shirts.

I don't know what you think a pervert is, but I have a dictionary.

SandyY2K · 10/03/2025 15:41

This is who he is. He can't change that. You can accept him as he is, or not and end the relationship. Staying with him isn't being true to yourself anymore.

People have all kinds of fetishes and others find them weird and sometimes disgusting. I'm not judging him.

You've tried leaning into it and it to didn't work. Don't force yourself.