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Cross dressing partner apparently given it up

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Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 13:21

Hi guys, I don't know if anyone remembers me from last year, whereby I posted about my partner being away for work staying in a hotel. I had my suspicions that he might be cheating so checked his laptop search history to find that he'd bid on a pair of stripper heels on Ebay and had googled where to buy female bodysuits in the area he was currently in.

Well, here I am, back again and desperately needing to vent/advice as I can't speak to anybody about it in real life and I'm feeling terrible about the whole thing. During the time I had that thread running (I eventually requested for it to be removed), posters on here were suggesting that the shoes were perhaps for him and not another woman. Well they were right.

It turns out that since he was 12 he had been experimenting with womens tights, bodysuits etc. When he had some time to himself he enjoyed doing cocaine and dressing in these types of clothes, as well as latex bodysuits.That night I found all of this in his history, rang him and confronted him about what I had found he was understandably embarassed and ashamed. He promised me not to tell anyone, hence why I had the thread removed.

The issue is that he of course said it's something he wouldn't do again. I remember my words at the time being somewhere along the lines of this is clearly a big part of who you are and I don't believe you can stop. Regardless, I continued the relationship but several months later, whilst washing the pots I looked up and noticed his keys on my key hook. At the time he was working over 2 hours away so I thought, sod it I'm going there to check.

I got on my bike and headed to his. As I mentioned last year we are on a family tracker, and as soon as I got close to his place, he rang me in a panic asking why I'm near his. I told him outright I'm going to see what's there. He was panicking so much he sounded like he was going to cry but I hung up and continued on, shaking and in fear of what I would find. Stupidly at this point I still believed it would be a womans clothes that he'd cheated on me with.

Got there, opened the door, bag of tights, rubber suit, female bodysuit the whole shebang, clearly been in a rush and put nothing away. Rubber suit had clearly been worn. In a frenzy, I biked home shaking and unfortunately subsequently had quite a bad accident whereby I bumped my head and needed an ambulance. A few days later was my 40th Birthday, myself, him and a few friends went into town but that got ruined as he spent the arse end of the night staring at any woman that happened to be wearing tights. Probably the worst week of my life and I've had some bad ones.

Anyway, as it was clear this was not something he could let go of, we arranged a city break away. I packed all the things I knew he'd like and we ended up having an evening with him in his tights, butt plug, restraints, the lot. He was nervous at first but very much enjoyed the evening. Tbh it did nothing for me but no particularly negative feelings.

The problem is I don't think I really realised how this would impact me. The manner in which I found out was bloody awful, quite frankly. His attitude was that I shouldn't have gone looking but I just knew in my gut something wasn't right. He often struggled to maintain erections and just never seemed to really WANT me iyswim. I never felt lusted after, he often turned down sex for reasons such as tiredness, stress etc.

To now. I am angry. I feel my right to make an informed decision having all the information presented to me was removed, although I do understand why he hid it from me. I feel unattractive (which objectively I don't think I am), I can't really explain why but I no longer feel feminine, like a woman. I've started making less of an effort with my appearance, I just don't really care anymore.

Anyway, we are now going round in circles. He swore a few months back that it would never happen again, to which obviously I don't believe, but he is insistent. My argument is I am now 40 years old, not old by any means but old enough to not have the time to be wasting on shit like this. He states he no longer needs it and it was something he only enjoyed doing whilst using drugs, which he doesn't do anymore. Essentially he is trying to make the argument that it was not at all a part of him but something drugs made him do. I'm not an idiot and I know this is unlikely the case.

I would say I'm now pretty depressed to be honest. I've lost any enjoyment in life, though I mask it well to outsiders.

On a few occasions I've drank too much wine and been incredibly nasty to him, belittling, mocking etc which he doesn't deserve as tbh other than this he has been the most patient, kind, caring boyfriend I have ever had. No excuse really but I believe I've done this to make him feel as crap as I'm left feeling. I feel at this point we would be better off separating but he says he adores me and doesn't want to break up, that it will never happen again.

Sorry for the long post and if you've got this far then thanks for reading. Any advice/experience with this would be greatly appreciated. Really don't know what to do for the best and at this point, sick of men really. There's always bloody something with them.

OP posts:
MondayYogurt · 10/03/2025 15:41

And there's nothing wrong with wanting an ordinary Dave. Dave's are great.

crumpet · 10/03/2025 15:46

It’s not about you. It’s about him. He’s the liar. Don’t beat yourself up. But it sounds as if the relationship is not for you.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 10/03/2025 15:53

TY78910 · 10/03/2025 14:57

The autogynephilia theory from the 80s has been widely scrutinised and the conclusions that have been drawn in your post are quite malicious. There is no official link.

Whilst some men may indeed feel that way, there will be others that question their own identity, generally love and subsequently be drawn to femininity amongst other reasons.

this is classic Mumsnet - all men who are not Dave who wears an M&S polo, straight leg jeans, goes to work and back, watches Sunday football and enjoys a Toby Carvery, must be misogynistic perverts who want to harm all women.

Has this touched a nerve?

Ponderingwindow · 10/03/2025 16:06

I’m not going to get into the politics of people’s kinks. It’s his thing, it’s not yours. You aren’t compatible.

we let small things go to make our partners happy. Washing up the dishes right after dinner as opposed to waiting or agreeing to a sofa color that you don’t absolutely love. These things are trivial in the grand scheme of a happy relationship that brings joy into our life.

We should be able to be ourselves with the person we love the most in the world. let him go and you can both find a better match.

TY78910 · 10/03/2025 16:06

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 10/03/2025 15:53

Has this touched a nerve?

Nope, not even close to.

Jade520 · 10/03/2025 16:09

Urrgh run a mile from this bloke and his grim fetishes. Honestly who wants to put up with this shit. He takes drugs, lies, deceives you, manipulates you by self harming and is obsessed with all sorts of sexual fetishes, he needs a lot of help and you are not the person to give it to him.

Why would you think there's something wrong with you when it's so blatantly clear that the problem is everything that is wrong with him? Normal is highly under rated IMO, I'd recommend finding someone normal.

TY78910 · 10/03/2025 16:12

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2025 15:40

Well if you are dressing up in latex and all the stuff detailed on this thread for sexual kicks, you ARE a pervert! It's literally a fetish - it's sexual behaviour that's unusual and outside the boundaries of normality.

That somewhat different from gender non-conforming Dave the plumber who likes nail varnish, long hair and pink t-shirts.

I don't know what you think a pervert is, but I have a dictionary.

once upon a time anal sex was considered perverse. These days not so much. It’s all subjective.

OP and her partner are not compatible - that’s fine, it happens all the time. But he can do / be in to whatever he likes and that’s nothing to do with anyone

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2025 16:15

TY78910 · 10/03/2025 16:12

once upon a time anal sex was considered perverse. These days not so much. It’s all subjective.

OP and her partner are not compatible - that’s fine, it happens all the time. But he can do / be in to whatever he likes and that’s nothing to do with anyone

I think there's STILL an ongoing argument on this one tbh.

(Not necessarily relating to gay men either, I might add)

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 16:16

Jade520 I've been cheated in by every single man I've ever been with, and now this. Clearly there is something very wrong with me as I keep attracting men that make me feel shit about myself.

OP posts:
IAmTheLittleThings · 10/03/2025 16:32

He has taken advantage of your lovely nature.
Nothing wrong with you at all.
Time to stop being his beard now.
Free yourself 🌼

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 10/03/2025 16:39

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 14:21

I regards to the Sissy porn, I honestly believe he was getting off on the idea of it being him in one of those gimp suits, being submissive and having things 'done' to him rather than being the one 'doing'.

I didn't watch the videos, just saw the thumbnails to click on and it's not something I can say I'm overly familiar with. Any ex boyfriends I've had have had all fairly 'normal' tastes as far as I'm aware.

The sissy community is vile.
Racist, misogynistic horrible, horrible people.

I am in the kink community and no one I know will have anything to do with anyone who is a sissy.

They fetishise and dehumanise Asian and Black men. They also speak disgustingly about women. It goes so far beyond them fetishising the feminine.
They are beyond misogynistic.

I tend not to kink shame, even things I REALLY find gross or I don't understand but crossdressing IS different from being a sissy and it would make me run.

WhereYouLeftIt · 10/03/2025 16:43

"As much as I appreciate it's something he was deeply ashamed of and I feel awful at the thought of him feeling that way,"
He's not deeply ashamed - at least, not in the way normal people understand shame. Shame normally makes people not do what caused the shame again. This is the opposite situation. He will repeat his actions because feeling ashamed is part of the fetish. He wants to feel ashamed - it adds to the thrill, the sense of transgressing. So don't feel awful for him - it's what he wants. Feel angry that he's dragging you in.

"Essentially he is trying to make the argument that it was not at all a part of him but something drugs made him do."
Porn-soaked and drug-addled. Hmm. That's not the argument he thinks it is.

"I did try to leave him last year but he cut his neck and arms up, did a piss poor job of it, stating that the blade was blunt, to which I said well you didn't want to due that badly then. I told him what he had done was deeply manipulative and that he's effectively holding me hostage. He said he was in deep pain and it wasn't done to manipulate me. Sigh."
Of course it was done to manipulate you.As you clearly know. The question is - did it work? You're still together, after all.

"He admitted he didn't tell me as he knew I would react badly and that he would have eventually shared it with me if I had created a safe space."
Ah, so he's making it YOUR fault, is he? YOU didn't create a safe space for him! Sheesh!

"To now. I am angry. I feel my right to make an informed decision having all the information presented to me was removed, although I do understand why he hid it from me. "
I'm not sure you do understand, not really. You're still thinking of how normal people feel shame, and that if he could he'd have hidden it forever, he would have. Not the case, I'm afraid. He'd have hidden it only until he felt you were attached to him to a degree that you wouldn't leave. Remember, his 'deep shame' is something he wants to feel. And to really get the full thrill of transgression and shame he needs another element - an audience. And that's where you come in.

You know you NEED to leave him - for your own sanity and self-esteem. This isn't a relationship of equals, the relationship will always orbit around his fetish. It will always be the most important thing to him, never you.

And look at what this is doing to you:

"I would say I'm now pretty depressed to be honest. I've lost any enjoyment in life, though I mask it well to outsiders."

"I feel unattractive (which objectively I don't think I am), I can't really explain why but I no longer feel feminine, like a woman. I've started making less of an effort with my appearance, I just don't really care anymore."

This is no way to live.Sad

"My argument is I am now 40 years old, not old by any means but old enough to not have the time to be wasting on shit like this. "
And you are right. Do you really want his fetish to be in control of the rest of your life? Of course not! Another 40-50 years of THIS? Hell, no! Get out now, before your self-esteem tumbles further. Look at where it's already put you - depressed, not caring about yourself any more. Don't let him drive you any further down that road, because it's the only place you'll go if you stay with him.

He'll try to keep you in his life - remember, an audience enhances it for him. An extra thrill. But it's not personal, any old female audience will do. Leave him to his fetish, it's where he wants to be and where he will always be. But you need to get away from this. You NEED to. And don't look back.

ChaToilLeam · 10/03/2025 16:44

Drugs, sissy porn and emotional blackmail. This man will only drag you down, OP. Run!

Toseland · 10/03/2025 16:49

The autogynephilia theory from the 80s has been widely scrutinised and the conclusions that have been drawn in your post are quite malicious. There is no official link.
There is only autogynophilia! 'Trans' doesn't really exist.

once upon a time anal sex was considered perverse. These days not so much.
It should still be considered perverse as it damages women's bodies (men have thicker colons).

WhereYouLeftIt · 10/03/2025 16:50

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 16:16

Jade520 I've been cheated in by every single man I've ever been with, and now this. Clearly there is something very wrong with me as I keep attracting men that make me feel shit about myself.

Have you ever come across The Shark Cage? Have a read, see if it resonates.

https://westcasa.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/TheSharkCage.pdf

https://westcasa.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/TheSharkCage.pdf

JohnKettleyIsAWeathermanAndSoIsMichaelFish · 10/03/2025 17:20

He won't change. He'll say he will to keep you happy. This is emotional blackmail as was the self-harm. It is who he is. You have to leave him.

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 17:21

WhereYouLeftIt Unless I've misunderstood him, I don't think he either likes or wants the shame attached to something like this. He told me once that he used to get into his gear, masturbated,immediately after take everything off and ask himself "why am I like this?"

Also, it only ever happens when he's had cocaine, never whilst sober. Hence him saying he's stopped the cocaine so the fetishist behaviour has stopped. My argument is of course that we tend to do things we really want to do while we are intoxicated on substances due to the lowering if inhibitions but he insists he is not remotely interested in partaking in it whilst sober.

OP posts:
pikkumyy77 · 10/03/2025 17:28

Ponderingwindow · 10/03/2025 16:06

I’m not going to get into the politics of people’s kinks. It’s his thing, it’s not yours. You aren’t compatible.

we let small things go to make our partners happy. Washing up the dishes right after dinner as opposed to waiting or agreeing to a sofa color that you don’t absolutely love. These things are trivial in the grand scheme of a happy relationship that brings joy into our life.

We should be able to be ourselves with the person we love the most in the world. let him go and you can both find a better match.

This! No need to demonize him. Just let him go and work on yourself OP. You were so bowled over by how nice he was to you that you didn’t realize he was masking his true self. Why is a man being nice to you such a blindingly unusual experience? I don’t think you are “attracting” bad partners as you said upthread—but you don’t seem to have the ability to reject them if they are superficially plausible. Look hard at your metrics for choosing. You don’t need to be so passive.

gingeristhenewblack43 · 10/03/2025 17:32

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 14:18

To the poster that mentioned him not feeling he could tell me, you're absolutely right. im quite passionate and outspoken about my opinions on AGPs and how appalling it is they walk around among us wearing womens clothes whilst being turned on. He admitted he didn't tell me as he knew I would react badly and that he would have eventually shared it with me if I had created a safe space. Let's say thos is true which I very much doubt, I had the right to know what I was getting involved with. As much as I appreciate it's something he was deeply ashamed of and I feel awful at the thought of him feeling that way, I still had the tight to know so that I could make an informed decision as to whether or not I wanted to stay with him. To which the answer would have been a resounding no thank you.

Part of his kink and sexual pleasure is that you are and have been openly anti AGP, and he has been flying below your radar indulging in a kink you are so openly against. What a thrill for him!

He thinks nothing of you, you are a means to an end. He is nice to you when his sexual kink needs are being met. When they aren't he is emotional abusing you with suicide threats.

You will not have a sex life with this man that does not involve indulging his kink.

I doubt he was taking cocaine at the age of 12 when he was getting his sexual kicks.

Cattreesea · 10/03/2025 17:34

OP it is time to accept that you are not compatible and that this relationship can't work.

Some people have kinks/fetishes. That is just a part of who they are. He is not going to change.

The issues are that:

  • He lied to you. He should have talked to you honestly about his sexual preferences when you first got together
  • You are disgusted by his kink.

He will be better off with someone who shares his preferences and you deserve to be with a man who does not lie to you and whose sexual life is not centred around a particular fetish.

aModernClassic · 10/03/2025 17:58

That old classic - an abuser trying to make you stay by self harming or suggesting that they will kill themselves.

Massive red flag.
Don't let this man ruin your life. This is on him. He's lied to you and tried to manipulate you into staying. You're still young, please leave him, it will only get worse and he will keep doing these things in an attempt to make you stay.

TY78910 · 10/03/2025 18:11

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 10/03/2025 17:21

WhereYouLeftIt Unless I've misunderstood him, I don't think he either likes or wants the shame attached to something like this. He told me once that he used to get into his gear, masturbated,immediately after take everything off and ask himself "why am I like this?"

Also, it only ever happens when he's had cocaine, never whilst sober. Hence him saying he's stopped the cocaine so the fetishist behaviour has stopped. My argument is of course that we tend to do things we really want to do while we are intoxicated on substances due to the lowering if inhibitions but he insists he is not remotely interested in partaking in it whilst sober.

I think most men have that reaction to masturbating over something that is considered unconventional. It could be that he has used cocaine to feel less shame or he is just telling you this to make you feel better.

Either way, it's not something he will ever stop so your only two options are to turn a blind eye, or to leave and once you've grieved this relationship, hopefully find one that makes you 100% happy.

Carouselfish · 10/03/2025 18:21

Cut and run OP.
Why give up your life to focus on his kinks and mental health issues? Life is too short to revolve around that.
Focus on yourself.

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2025 18:25

Nevermind the rest, why do you want to be with a coke addict who keeps relapsing?

You deserve better.

Msmoonpie · 10/03/2025 18:32

He’s a cross dresser. He also puts cross dressing above his relationship with you.

Run. Now. Before it escalates and you have to call him Wendy.

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