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Husband getting more religious and I'm not sure how I feel about it

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SayDoWhatNow · 05/03/2025 13:29

My husband and I have been together for about 8 years, married for 4. He is from Egypt and is Muslim. I am culturally Christian although philosophically/religiously humanist.

When we met, DH was not really a practicing Muslim. He would fast at Ramadan, but drank alcohol, ate pork and non-Halal meat, didn't pray, and we lived together for several years before getting married.

Before we married, we had lots of discussions about religion and faith, and we both felt that we have very similar underlying values, even if mine are humanist and his are faith-based. We also agreed that we would raise children as Muslim, so that when they are adults they have the cultural/religious knowledge to participate in faith-based events if they want to. In practice, this means that we do all the Christian and Muslim festivals, plus Halloween and everything else. He also tries to speak Arabic with DS (although really struggles with this when we're in the UK as he basically thinks in English); I'm also learning Arabic, which I enjoy - although basically have no time to work on this now that we have a child and a busy job.

In the past couple of years, since having our DS (nearly 3), he has been getting gradually more religious. He doesn't drink alcohol, no longer eats pork, and tries to pray 5 times a day. This year he has also sometimes been doing the extra Ramadan Taraweeh prayers.

Just to be clear, he's not fundamentalist at all, he doesn't want me to convert or anything and our DS is not circumcised. Similarly, if we had a DD he wouldn't expect her to ever wear a hijab. He's a very involved parent and does more than his share of household tasks and life admin / mental load.

Overall, I want to be supportive of his religious practice, as it's meaningful to him, and I think it's helping him feel positive about himself and his identity as a Muslim in the UK. When we first met, I felt like there was a big difference in how he behaved in the UK vs when we were in Egypt, and I think he's finding a way to be true to both those parts of himself, rather than switching based on context.

But I'm finding it hard that there is an increasing part of his life that I just don't relate to at all. And I'm starting to feel quite disconnected from him. Trying to talk about it doesn't really help because we both seem to get quite defensive quite easily. We've also had 2 pregnancy losses in the last 6 months and while he's found comfort in something around things being God's will I've found that alienating and upsetting (even though it's quite similar to saying that sometimes bad stuff just happens). I'm also anxious about him getting more like his dad, who is both very religious and very traditional/culturally conservative, in future - although in practice I think this is quite unlikely.

How can we work on feeling connected with each other again? I didn't expect such a big change in his religious practice and it feels strange to me.

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Scottishgirl85 · 05/03/2025 13:32

I would struggle to share life with someone with such differing fundamental views. What are his reasons for practising more than he did previously? You have no control over how far he goes and this would seriously worry me. Your children will also be quite confused by differing beliefs in their home (they can't all be true ;-) )

Xenia · 05/03/2025 13:35

As he is the one who has changed may be the decision you both took to bring the children up muslim needs to change too to make up for that eg the child could be baptised now into Christianity as a kind of protection against the husband becoming stricter in his own beliefs. Also if the husband's prayers etc mean he spends less time doing things like clean the house perhaps ask him about that and he can then make other time available to ensure the family is not damaged in practical ways by his faith.

SayDoWhatNow · 05/03/2025 13:51

I think it's having a child that has caused him to change his behaviour - because he wants to model this for DS. In practice (apart from the Taraweeh), the prayers don't take up much time and don't interfere with our daily life. He's also not obsessive about it, so if he misses one it's no big deal.

I'm ok with having all the traditions (Christian/Muslim/British) at home because I want DS to feel at home with everything. I have a close friend who grew up in a mixed-religion household, and she's said she's really grateful to her mum for making sure she was involved in her religion, so that she can properly participate and feel comfortable in religious events (like funerals) as an adult, even if she's not religious in her daily life. And I'm fine with discussing I believe this, DH believes that with DS as he gets older.

@Xenia problem is that I'm not really a religious Christian - I'm humanist. So we don't have a shared religious base with different practices, we have similar fundamental values - but faith isn't one of them!

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ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/03/2025 14:11

I think you really muddied the waters by agreeing to bring your son up as a Muslim. It's going to be hard to explain why you feel disconnected from your husband but not your son.

I mean I would feel the same and I don't think I could stay with someone who genuinely believed in a god, but I would never have agreed to tell a child there was a god either.

Hfox · 05/03/2025 14:11

This happened to me even though I’m a Muslim myself. My husband over time has become more religious but it doesn’t affect our life. It’s his personal journey. I do sometimes feel uneasy that he’s becoming more different to me but I guess people do grow in life and will be the case with anyone who you are with long term. As long as he doesn’t start imposing it on you, it should be fine.

TulipsYellow · 05/03/2025 14:13

Pregnancy and loss and raising children has made my faith a bigger part of my life than it maybe was before (though Christian in my case) so I can see where your DH is coming from. I think it's pretty natural to think more about these things as you get older and to want to pass them down to your children.

It must be hard though if you feel it's not something you can share in. I hope you both can find a way to navigate it together.

Waterlilysunset · 05/03/2025 14:41

I am Christian and now going to church every week when I didn’t used to. My husband doesn’t come with me and the children. I would be quite upset if he tried to control this aspect of my life.
but I suppose it’s different as my husband was brought up Christian (now agnostic probably) and we did marry in church

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 05/03/2025 14:43

I'm a Christian and have had many miscarriages. I don't believe it to be God's will and would argue that point gently with my husband if he thought otherwise. God wanted me to get pregnant, but other factors caused the loss. The bible (and I presume the quaran though I haven't read it) teaches that God loves little children particularly, so that is the basis of my beliefs there.
My reaction to my losses was, I cried, grieved, and then with the specialists looked at if I needed to change any aspect of my health, and then I tried again.

I don't have enough experience to say about your other worries with your DH but I just wanted to share that.

Qwee · 05/03/2025 14:56

I wouldn't be having a second child with a man who has changed or reverted so dramatically about religion after having a child.

SayDoWhatNow · 05/03/2025 15:06

Thank you @TulipsYellow , I really appreciate your comment. As a parent, I also find myself more drawn to celebrations that mark the changing seasons, the passing of time, and I love building and sharing traditions that are special to us as a family. I'm not at all opposed to that including Ramadan Iftaars and Eid gifts as well as advent calendars, Easter eggs and Christmas stockings, because those are the cultural traditions we were raised with and I want them to be part of our family culture.

The issue is just that I'm just not religious. It would be easier if I was, and I've thought deeply about it, but I'm not. Added to that, I think a further challenge is that whereas there are many many ways to be a Christian and it is normal that people have very different interpretations of their faith (I could squeak into being a Quaker, but I'm not endorsing transubstantiation or the resurrection of the body); Islam, especially as taught to children in the Middle East, is more all or nothing. So I notice a certain amount of cognitive dissonance for DH in how he talks about his religious beliefs and practices, that makes it harder for us to discuss because it's difficult for him to think about critically evaluating them. That makes it hard to get a sense of what he actually believes (as opposed to doing religious practices), which I find a bit unsettling.

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Sodthesystem · 05/03/2025 15:09

I would be worried he might start to grow radical with time.

I agree the issue was agreeing to raise the kids Muslim. There's a difference between educating them about god and faith in general (raising them agnostic) and raising them Muslim. If you're found the later then of course he's going to have to teach them the ways of the religion itself.

Don't kid yourself that if you had a daughter they wouldn't be expected to wear the nijab. At best, children don't want to feel like they are disappointing their parents so what might start as 'wear it for this special occasion for me, at least' would in time become 'Dad is disappointed in me for not wearing it all the time and not observing his faith the way he does'.

pikkumyy77 · 05/03/2025 15:14

Xenia · 05/03/2025 13:35

As he is the one who has changed may be the decision you both took to bring the children up muslim needs to change too to make up for that eg the child could be baptised now into Christianity as a kind of protection against the husband becoming stricter in his own beliefs. Also if the husband's prayers etc mean he spends less time doing things like clean the house perhaps ask him about that and he can then make other time available to ensure the family is not damaged in practical ways by his faith.

Uh…wow this is bad advice. Whatever way one thinks about this as a relationship issue weaponizing the children a horrendous thing to suggest.

SayDoWhatNow · 05/03/2025 15:25

Thank you @AnotherDayAnotherIdea and I'm very sorry for your pregnancy losses. I think we all have to find our own ways to grieve and find comfort after a loss. For DH, it helps to think that it was God's will, even if we don't understand it; while for us that's just not what resonates at all!

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pikkumyy77 · 05/03/2025 15:28

I guess the only thing I can say is tread lightly here and be prepared that you might end up having to jump ship. Its no one’s fault that people change over time within a long relationship. But he is not just moving towards more orthopraxis but towards more intense orthodoxy and belief. You were comfortable with the level of praxis—of action—he chose before. Kind if a “smells and bells” or Christmas snd easter approach to Islam. But he is moving into a more mystical and deeply philosophical/religious pathway. If that isn’t your preferred explanatory model it gets hard to have an ordinary conversation or family discussion. You can see that even within the same religion if one person in a Christian sect believes they need to pray over every decision and the other just shows up for sermons and zones out.

I would be honest and direct with him. This path he is on is diverging from the one you were on together. How will he (does he) intend to prioritize your romantic partnership over time? Or is his focus on being the best muslim and muslim man he can be? Because those things are in conflict—not because Islam is more misogynistic than other religions because its not but because he is going to run even intimate, relationship issues through a religious lens rather thsn turning to you for comfort snd discussion. God and religion become a third in the relationship—that is the problem.

Lengokengo · 05/03/2025 15:37

This happened to my BIL. He was a dope smoking drinker, them after kids he got much more religious. He would often go for prayers / eat halal only etc. But still smoke dope interestingly.

it drove a wedge between him and SIL and the PIL over the years as he got quite evangelical and self righteous at family gatherings and the ILs ( who did lots of childcare) were quite disrespected by him at times.

BIL and SIL split up several years ago ( after eventually the distance between them was too great).

SayDoWhatNow · 05/03/2025 15:41

@Sodthesystem I'm genuinely not worried at all about him becoming radical. His family are not radical, his friends are not radical, his female Muslim friends (particularly those in the UK) generally don't wear hijab, he strongly dislikes and actively avoids more religiously conservative/traditional people. Our DS is not circumcised and is not going to be unless he chooses it when he's an adult, which is honestly a massively big thing for a practicing Muslim.

Making a comparison with Christianity, I'd say his degree of religious practice is roughly equivalent to attending church every Sunday - it's just that, as with Judaism, daily religious practices are a larger part of observance than for Christians.

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BountifulPantry · 05/03/2025 15:41

Hm this happens with mixed culture marriages. You agree one thing then kids come along and things change.

Im not surprised you feel alienated when he is saying that a miscarriage is gods will. Frankly I would be raging if someone said that to me.

If you have a fundamentally different view of the world then it can cause real issues.

Have you expressed your opinions to your husband? He is allowed to change his view but he has to accept that this may also affect your relationship.

BruFord · 05/03/2025 15:49

Waterlilysunset · 05/03/2025 14:41

I am Christian and now going to church every week when I didn’t used to. My husband doesn’t come with me and the children. I would be quite upset if he tried to control this aspect of my life.
but I suppose it’s different as my husband was brought up Christian (now agnostic probably) and we did marry in church

@Waterlilysunset My DH has become more religious as well, goes to church every week, etc. He’s Catholic and I’m vaguely C of E. I think that religion becomes more important to some ppl as they get older.

The OP’s situation is obviously more complex as they don’t share any core religious beliefs, whereas we do. I don’t agree with many Catholic beliefs though and we agreed to let our children choose their own religious paths. DD isn’t interested; DS has chosen to be Catholic.

SayDoWhatNow · 05/03/2025 15:52

On the miscarriage being God's will thing - I think I'm probably being unfair to him.

I can't remember exactly what he said - I got upset about it and asked if he was saying it was God's will and how exactly was that supposed to be helpful, and he got upset and said that wasn't what he meant, and then got quite defensive and prickly. We were both upset and grieving and not in the best place for an in-depth and complex discussion.

I think there's a variety of nuanced positions between "this one wasn't meant to be" and "this was God's will" and it was probably somewhere in the middle.

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Anudawan · 05/03/2025 16:00

Scottishgirl85 · 05/03/2025 13:32

I would struggle to share life with someone with such differing fundamental views. What are his reasons for practising more than he did previously? You have no control over how far he goes and this would seriously worry me. Your children will also be quite confused by differing beliefs in their home (they can't all be true ;-) )

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Wtf, would you say the same on someone who is born against Christian? Unlikely. The man just prays, doesn’t drink and doesn’t eat pork and is involved with his children

Ops husband sounds like a nice man who found solace in his faith after they lost 2 pregnancies.

the teaching of Islam on this is that they’ll all be reunited in heaven together and the baby that passed away will intercede for their parents on the day of judgment and basically demand of God that they get to heaven. It’s quite easy to see how that can bring material comfort In an emotionally trying time.

Buttalapasta · 05/03/2025 16:22

Do you need to relate to him in all parts of his life? My dh is catholic and I was C of E although I no longer practise. I would say that he has got more religious and I have got less over the years we have been together. I agreed with the kids being baptised in the catholic church because it made more sense for us. For a while, the kids would also go to mass but now they are teenagers and have stopped going. Things change. People grow. As long as he is not trying to make you change your beliefs (or non-beliefs) I dont think it is necessarily a problem.

Maitri108 · 05/03/2025 16:33

I'm very suspicious of the whole scenario. Egypt is renowned for misogyny and your husband comes from a very conservative and traditional background. How come he's so different to his family and background?

Did he already have a visa when you married? I think you're beginning to see the real him and he's going to become more conservative.

wizzywig · 05/03/2025 16:35

as a Muslim I knew from the title that he would be Muslim. Why do you need to do all the changing? Why can't he acknowledge and respect any differences

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DonutRings · 05/03/2025 16:46

Maitri108 · 05/03/2025 16:33

I'm very suspicious of the whole scenario. Egypt is renowned for misogyny and your husband comes from a very conservative and traditional background. How come he's so different to his family and background?

Did he already have a visa when you married? I think you're beginning to see the real him and he's going to become more conservative.

Would you say the same about someone who was, say, a Hindu from India? Or is your prejudice reserved for Middle Eastern Muslims only?