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Is anyone around? I need a friendly listening ear.

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Hecate · 11/05/2008 06:38

My husband stayed out all night. He's still not back. This is not the first time he has done it. When we were first married he did it all the time. Back then, I cared, I used to picture him with someone else, I used to phone him, sob and scream down the phone at him and accuse him of all manner of things. He would turn it all round on me so he could avoid blame and he'd manipulate ME into apologising! Bastard.

Nowadays, of course, I'm older and wiser and those tricks no longer work on me. I laugh at him and tell him to stop trying to manipulate me. Nowadays I don't phone him when he pulls an all nighter, I just go to bed - and he very rarely does it now, just a few times a year these days, not the AT LEAST once a week he did it 10 years ago. I remember once when he disappeared for a couple of days, leaving me alone with ds1 (when I was pregnant with ds2) I slipped on a nappy sack and fell on my stomach. I phoned him hysterical and he accused me of lying in order to control him and 'make' him come home. When he got back and saw my bruising, well, he couldn't apologise enough, but it was too late then, wasn't it?

Once when he disappeared I phoned his brother because I was so pissed off! A few times I phoned my parents to come and get me, but I always went back, because my need to be married was greater than my need to be treated with respect in that marriage.

Once I found a girl's phone number and when I rang it, she described his car and told me he had tried to convince her to go to a hotel with him, but she'd declined.

Once I had a phone call from a VERY angry woman who ran a dating agency, claiming my husband had tried to get someone to meet him and that "We're not that sort of agency!" I couldn't help it, her tone was so funny that I laughed! She said "I don't know what sort of marriage you have but.." at which I cut her off and apologised. He of course, said someone at the conference he was at must have done it and how stupid would it have been to give them his home number when he wasn't even there - couldn't argue wih that could I? Had to give benefit of doubt. But I knew, oh yes I did.

Once he got arrested because some girl went to the police and said he'd been far too peristant in trying to get her to go into his car The police came for him and took him away. They dropped him back home hours later, no charges, because he'd told them that he had only asked the girl for her advice about where to get an incar phone charger, she'd told him and he'd offered her a lift, she'd said no and he'd left. The police had investigated before picking up my husband - they already knew every place he'd been that day. He told them every place he'd been that day, they knew he'd actually gone and bought a car charger, so his story added up and they told him he had to be careful in future that he wasn't misunderstood. The policeman who brought him home ended up telling my husband which pub he drinks in and now they sometimes end up having a pint together He IS such a charmer, my husband. But again, benefit of the doubt because it is believeable, and it could be true. The police certainly believed so.

There's so much more. Over the last year, he's taken against my parents for - get this - the way they treat me! I could laugh my arse off! But he is hostile about them, and wants them to 'show some effort' with us. He's putting distance between me and them. But if I have to choose, I have to choose him, because I need him more than I need them.

I'm the one on here who bangs on about sex not being the be all and end all of a marriage, and until this morning, I thought I meant it. I truly thought we had a sex-free marriage because sex wasn't important to us as a couple. But I have been fooling myself. We have a sex free marriage because it's not a marriage. He doesn't want it and never has, tbh. From day one he never really wanted it. I wonder if he also just wanted to be married rather than wanted to marry ME?

I used to want it, it used to be me who initiated it every single time - never did he EVERY seduce me, it was always me begging him. But I only did it because the more he rejected me, the more desperate I was to have sex with him to feel desirable. In the end I got rejected time after time after time and I stopped trying, started eating myself to death and eventually lost all sensation in my nethers through lack of use!

We haven't had sex since December 2000. I remember it because that's when he got the girl's phone number. - card transactions showed he was in the north of england when he told me he'd spent the night in his car in London! He lied and lied and lied until I pulled out the statement. His face was a picture!

My sister told me the other day that she has always thought our marriage to be so very very sad. (in the true sense of the word). My sister thinks he's actually gay. I don't know because I think he's been unfaithful to me and since that number was the number of a woman??? But then who knows, because I feel like he's gay too.

But you know what - HE is the reason I am so fat. HE has done that to me! My body weight has more than doubled in the last 10 years. I comfort ate because I was so unhappy with him and the way he treated me. Every time he disappeared, I ate all night. I should have left him then, but I needed to be married.

Now I don't care anymore but I'm trapped by my own weight and health and I need him. I physically need him for the practical things - taking the kids to school, going to the shop, doing the stuff around the house....

But I realised this morning, when I briefly wondered if he'd been in an accident and thought "oh well, the police will let me know" rolled over and went back to sleep, then woke up again briefly to think about how my finances would be without him and felt quite happy about the fact that I'd actually have MORE money because he wouldn't be around to dictate where it got spent , well, it came to me in a flash that I didn't actually care where he was, what he was doing or with whom, and that all I cared about was that he is home by Monday morning to take the kids to school well, I realised I don't love him anymore - if in fact I ever loved him. Maybe I just loved the idea of being married because I wanted to show the world someone wanted me. (although he doesn't, iyswim, I still have that ring. It's not on my finger anymore, haven't worn it for years, it doesn't fit. I think it's probably quite telling that I have never gone to get a bigger one, or have it enlarged..)

I can't leave him now because I rely on him. I also don't want to be a single parent of 2 kids with autism. We don't share a bed. He sleeps on the sofa and has done for years. I fool myself it's practical, I have a bipap, I disturb him, he needs his rest, but do you know, I'd HATE to have to sleep in the same bed again.

But we get on fine - we chat, we have a laugh, we're actually really really good mates.

But I realise this morning that I have been FOOLING myself into thinking we have a marriage, because we don't. He's my carer. He's my housemate. He's my pal. He's my nanny. I really do like him as it happens But he's not my husband and I actually don't care who he shags as long as he's back here when I need him.

So really, I'm using him.

But he brought it on himself because of how he treated me. He nearly destroyed me. And now I don't care anymore he can't hurt me.

But I also realise now WHY I can't lose the wieght and why at the last minute I have chickened out of the op - it's because if I lose the weight I will be able to function alone. I won't be physically reliant on him and I could leave and that scares me. So now I know why I am sabotaging my weight loss attempts, it's because I am scared of facing life on my own.

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umberella · 11/05/2008 06:42

oh god, i am only half way down and v worried for you. this doesn't sound great

WideWebWitch · 11/05/2008 06:43

How sad, I am sorry.

WideWebWitch · 11/05/2008 06:43

But I think you know what you need to do.

Hecate · 11/05/2008 06:44

sorry, it did turn out to be a big one. My fingers were going like the clappers! It just poured out.

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Hecate · 11/05/2008 06:44

Yes. I need to lose enough weight so that I can regain my independence and leave him. I am very scared.

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WideWebWitch · 11/05/2008 06:48

You can leave him without losing weight you know. You shouldn't, imo, let that stop you doing what you want to do (if you want to do it). I know that feeling of "when I'm xyz then I'll do abc" so I understnad but it sounds like a bit of chicken and egg tbh.

umberella · 11/05/2008 06:48

You don't need to be scared of being on your own. It sounds like you are pretty much functioning 'without' him anyway.

All of the practical aspects would sort themselves out one way or another - you are articulate and have obviously reached a resounding point of clarity following many years of real denial about this relationship.

That in itself is a huge turning point.

Do you really want this situation to continue?

You deserve more than this in your life.

I really hope you are brave enough to take control back now - you shouldn't have to live a lie like this. If this situation is what's led to your weight gain, and needing care, then change the situation and you will have so much more energy to help yourself.

x

Hecate · 11/05/2008 06:53

Well. I can't walk more than a few feet and I can't drive (although I am taking lessons). I have a wheelchair.

When I say fat, I mean fat. Not your normal fat. I'm on DLA because of it - and my other health problems - respiratory depression, fibromyalgia, PCOS, asthma, history of depressive/mh problems....the list goes on and on - so actually, right now, I need him very much. If I was alone, I would not be able to function, or care for the children. I can't even walk them from the car to the school gate. So I do have to lose some weight first.

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Hecate · 11/05/2008 06:54

I really am sorry for the long op. I bet 99% of people are giving up halfway though thank you you lot who have managed to wade through it.

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WideWebWitch · 11/05/2008 06:55

Oh ok, I hadn't realised that, sorry.
In which case do it that way round.

umberella · 11/05/2008 06:59

Hecate, wouldn't you qualify for some kind of assistance if you physically can't manage alone?

I can't believe you have to stay in this situation for want of proper care being provided to you. It's just not right.

umberella · 11/05/2008 07:01

In addition, it sounds like his behaviour is actually perpetuating your problems.

branflake81 · 11/05/2008 07:01

Your post is so sad.

I suspect you did love him when you were first together but I am not surprised that love has faded after the way he has treated you, you have no reason to feel guilty about not caring where he is.

Please don't take this as a crticism, but I think a lot of women would have realised this man is no good a long time ago when he lied about all the women and some would have walked away.

I think the reason you haven't is a lack of confidence and the fact you thnk you need him. You don't.

You may "need" him on a practical level for helping with the kids but is that really a true basis for a marriage? Many people survive as single parents and are happier for it, often people meet new partners and wonder what the hell they were doing with the old one for so long. So there ARE options.

Even if this man had not done half the bad things he has done, you clearly do not love him as a husband and that alone is basis for considering ending a marriage. The fact there is all this other stuff too, the lies, the women etc, should be more than enough.

I am usually saddened when I read posts advising people to leave their partners. I think it's very drastic and presents a black and white picture of a relationship which isn't always there. But in your case I felt compelled to write because I sense you are trapped in this marraige and need to leave.

You need to get some inner confidence and consider what is best for you. It's not necessarily a weight issue but just some self belief that you COULD do it alone if necessary and you and the children will be better off for doing so.

I think you have put up with so much and you clearly have your children's best interests at heart. You need to eitehr try and change the situation you are in or to leave it completely. You can't stay as you are.

DiscoDizzy · 11/05/2008 07:01

I've read all OP. I'm unsure whether you are unhappy or not, despite what 'you know'. I think you're unhappy but then I get the impression that despite you 'not having a marriage' you are kind of happy because you have someone to keep you company and who helps out. Anyway which ever way I may have misread things, you do need to make a conscious effort to start to lose weight and when that starts to happen, try to get your mobility improved. Once you've made that move and things are improving on that front I think it will become clearer in your head exactly what you want. Either it'll make your DH stand up and see this new woman or I what I think is more likely, it'll give you a lot more confidence and help you realise that you really don't need to depend on him for the things you currently rely on him for

otter1980 · 11/05/2008 07:02

hecate - what a total shit he sounds.

TBH you do seem to be doing most of the parenting of your DCs yourself (whilst hes off wherever) and his contant disappearing can't be helping with the kids routine. There are loads of support agencies out there who can help you

now you have made your decision, sort out the practicalities (who can support you emotionally, housing, divorce etc) in your head then make the move. I understand that you want to lose the weight before you leave him, however often its easier to lose the weight when you're out of the difficult situation, but do what makes you comfortable.

also be proud of the fact you've decided to put a stop to this. well done you

MayPolerBear · 11/05/2008 07:02

just read your post, sorry for typing, feeding

you sound like you've done loads of analysis & reached a turning point]

what advice would you give someone else?

if you and dh get on so well but it sounds as if neither of you want a marriage can you talk to him about splitting up gradually? how do you think he would take this news?

can you get your op back on - big decision but life changing?

MayPolerBear · 11/05/2008 07:03

cliche but where dio you want to be in 5 years?

nkf · 11/05/2008 07:07

I assume from your posts that you mean your weight has disabled you. Surely you need medical help and lots of support for that. Does such help exist? How much weight would you need to become mobile again? How old are your children?

umberella · 11/05/2008 07:08

Regarding 'needing' him - what would you do if he got hit by a bus tomorrow?

You would cope somehow, however difficult it would be. You would have to.

I really think you have to get out of this mindset of believing you need him.

otter1980 · 11/05/2008 07:09

woops I x-posted. see what you mean about weight loss.

I has to change my diet due to Gestational diabeties, the biggest difference sems to be forcing myself to eat 3 proper meals a day, not snacking on crisps/chocolate/biscuits (seriously dont let then in the house!!) and filling up on salad and veg. I used to be a total sod for carbs (and still am a bit) but now I try do it in moderation. also drink more water, it actually does work weirdly!

Hecate · 11/05/2008 07:14

In five years? I'd like to be able to walk again! My ambitions are small.

disco - you have a very good point - I think I am comfortable with the situation in so far as someone is there to do all the stuff, so I don't have to change. It's ok to plod along like this, iyswim.

I do know that he would fight me for the kids - and tbh, he'd win because at the moment the court would consider who was the better, more capable parent - a mobile father or a mother who needed care? So leaving at this stage may mean losing the kids.
I think it's harder because we DO get on fine, there's no fighting, he doesn't hit me or anything. I'm trying to AVOID change. Avoid having to DO something.

I think the advice I'd give someone else is to stop hiding behind their weight as an excuse for not getting their life in order, that if they REALLY wanted to, they could lose the wieght - by having the op or by them selves, but they are using it as a reason to stay in a familiar and safe place.

You're right also that it is confidence. I have none. I let him walk all over me in the early years and I stayed because I wanted to be loved. Now I don't care how he feels but I need someone there, like you say.

But am I fooling myself now in a different way, by thinking I no longer care? Perhaps now I've shut off as self-preservation?

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bringmesunshine · 11/05/2008 07:17

Hecate - I have no idea what to advise you to do. What a good post, articulate, witty but ultimately so very sad. It is time to think of the future you and the life you want for you and your children and to a lesser degree your husband.

The weight will not come off over night however any reduction will help with the health problems you have I would suggest.

Can you sit down with DH and have a 'cards on the table' type discussion where both parties are very honest as to what they want and need and see if there is a way forward?

DiscoDizzy · 11/05/2008 07:20

Probably self preservation otherwise I don't think you'd even have started this thread. I really think you have to do something for yourself and in this case its the losing weight, getting active thing. The decision on your marriage will come to light once you feel better about yourself. TBH I don't think you should talk to DH about your feelings about potentially ending the marriage as this may just give him the kick up the bum to actually leave (if indeed he is messing around) and also because at the moment you 'need' him and don't need the prospect of potentially losing DC's

Hecate · 11/05/2008 07:21

Help exists, but I am embarrassed to seek it out. He'd have to go first - and tbh, he'd take the kids. I know this for a fact. I'd let them go over my dead body - but he feels the same. Tell me, of the 2 of us - who can care for the kids better?

If he was out of the way, I would cope, I'd get the help because I'd have no choice - but if he was out of the way under a bus then he'd be no threat to me keeping the kids, whereas if I kick him out, he'd fight me all the way.

I've already lost 7 stone nfk. Another 5 or so would see me fat but on my feet.

I know what I have to do. I have to lose the weight I need to get back on my feet, I'll have the power then to make a choice.

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MayPolerBear · 11/05/2008 07:23

I've already lost 7 stone

Wow! How did you do that? Was this in order to be able to have the op?

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