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Is anyone around? I need a friendly listening ear.

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Hecate · 11/05/2008 06:38

My husband stayed out all night. He's still not back. This is not the first time he has done it. When we were first married he did it all the time. Back then, I cared, I used to picture him with someone else, I used to phone him, sob and scream down the phone at him and accuse him of all manner of things. He would turn it all round on me so he could avoid blame and he'd manipulate ME into apologising! Bastard.

Nowadays, of course, I'm older and wiser and those tricks no longer work on me. I laugh at him and tell him to stop trying to manipulate me. Nowadays I don't phone him when he pulls an all nighter, I just go to bed - and he very rarely does it now, just a few times a year these days, not the AT LEAST once a week he did it 10 years ago. I remember once when he disappeared for a couple of days, leaving me alone with ds1 (when I was pregnant with ds2) I slipped on a nappy sack and fell on my stomach. I phoned him hysterical and he accused me of lying in order to control him and 'make' him come home. When he got back and saw my bruising, well, he couldn't apologise enough, but it was too late then, wasn't it?

Once when he disappeared I phoned his brother because I was so pissed off! A few times I phoned my parents to come and get me, but I always went back, because my need to be married was greater than my need to be treated with respect in that marriage.

Once I found a girl's phone number and when I rang it, she described his car and told me he had tried to convince her to go to a hotel with him, but she'd declined.

Once I had a phone call from a VERY angry woman who ran a dating agency, claiming my husband had tried to get someone to meet him and that "We're not that sort of agency!" I couldn't help it, her tone was so funny that I laughed! She said "I don't know what sort of marriage you have but.." at which I cut her off and apologised. He of course, said someone at the conference he was at must have done it and how stupid would it have been to give them his home number when he wasn't even there - couldn't argue wih that could I? Had to give benefit of doubt. But I knew, oh yes I did.

Once he got arrested because some girl went to the police and said he'd been far too peristant in trying to get her to go into his car The police came for him and took him away. They dropped him back home hours later, no charges, because he'd told them that he had only asked the girl for her advice about where to get an incar phone charger, she'd told him and he'd offered her a lift, she'd said no and he'd left. The police had investigated before picking up my husband - they already knew every place he'd been that day. He told them every place he'd been that day, they knew he'd actually gone and bought a car charger, so his story added up and they told him he had to be careful in future that he wasn't misunderstood. The policeman who brought him home ended up telling my husband which pub he drinks in and now they sometimes end up having a pint together He IS such a charmer, my husband. But again, benefit of the doubt because it is believeable, and it could be true. The police certainly believed so.

There's so much more. Over the last year, he's taken against my parents for - get this - the way they treat me! I could laugh my arse off! But he is hostile about them, and wants them to 'show some effort' with us. He's putting distance between me and them. But if I have to choose, I have to choose him, because I need him more than I need them.

I'm the one on here who bangs on about sex not being the be all and end all of a marriage, and until this morning, I thought I meant it. I truly thought we had a sex-free marriage because sex wasn't important to us as a couple. But I have been fooling myself. We have a sex free marriage because it's not a marriage. He doesn't want it and never has, tbh. From day one he never really wanted it. I wonder if he also just wanted to be married rather than wanted to marry ME?

I used to want it, it used to be me who initiated it every single time - never did he EVERY seduce me, it was always me begging him. But I only did it because the more he rejected me, the more desperate I was to have sex with him to feel desirable. In the end I got rejected time after time after time and I stopped trying, started eating myself to death and eventually lost all sensation in my nethers through lack of use!

We haven't had sex since December 2000. I remember it because that's when he got the girl's phone number. - card transactions showed he was in the north of england when he told me he'd spent the night in his car in London! He lied and lied and lied until I pulled out the statement. His face was a picture!

My sister told me the other day that she has always thought our marriage to be so very very sad. (in the true sense of the word). My sister thinks he's actually gay. I don't know because I think he's been unfaithful to me and since that number was the number of a woman??? But then who knows, because I feel like he's gay too.

But you know what - HE is the reason I am so fat. HE has done that to me! My body weight has more than doubled in the last 10 years. I comfort ate because I was so unhappy with him and the way he treated me. Every time he disappeared, I ate all night. I should have left him then, but I needed to be married.

Now I don't care anymore but I'm trapped by my own weight and health and I need him. I physically need him for the practical things - taking the kids to school, going to the shop, doing the stuff around the house....

But I realised this morning, when I briefly wondered if he'd been in an accident and thought "oh well, the police will let me know" rolled over and went back to sleep, then woke up again briefly to think about how my finances would be without him and felt quite happy about the fact that I'd actually have MORE money because he wouldn't be around to dictate where it got spent , well, it came to me in a flash that I didn't actually care where he was, what he was doing or with whom, and that all I cared about was that he is home by Monday morning to take the kids to school well, I realised I don't love him anymore - if in fact I ever loved him. Maybe I just loved the idea of being married because I wanted to show the world someone wanted me. (although he doesn't, iyswim, I still have that ring. It's not on my finger anymore, haven't worn it for years, it doesn't fit. I think it's probably quite telling that I have never gone to get a bigger one, or have it enlarged..)

I can't leave him now because I rely on him. I also don't want to be a single parent of 2 kids with autism. We don't share a bed. He sleeps on the sofa and has done for years. I fool myself it's practical, I have a bipap, I disturb him, he needs his rest, but do you know, I'd HATE to have to sleep in the same bed again.

But we get on fine - we chat, we have a laugh, we're actually really really good mates.

But I realise this morning that I have been FOOLING myself into thinking we have a marriage, because we don't. He's my carer. He's my housemate. He's my pal. He's my nanny. I really do like him as it happens But he's not my husband and I actually don't care who he shags as long as he's back here when I need him.

So really, I'm using him.

But he brought it on himself because of how he treated me. He nearly destroyed me. And now I don't care anymore he can't hurt me.

But I also realise now WHY I can't lose the wieght and why at the last minute I have chickened out of the op - it's because if I lose the weight I will be able to function alone. I won't be physically reliant on him and I could leave and that scares me. So now I know why I am sabotaging my weight loss attempts, it's because I am scared of facing life on my own.

OP posts:
Flame · 12/05/2008 07:45

Another one poppin in to see how you are

TotalChaos · 12/05/2008 08:54

Hello Hecate. Lots of excellent advice already. I particularly agree with getting informed about your legal position now. Also wonder if you might get some support from Women's Aid, even if you aren't ready to leave now. Good luck with the continuing weight loss, now you've lost a Posh, try and lose a Kylie next

otter1980 · 12/05/2008 11:41

Hi Hecate, just checking in to see how you are, so much has been said and Im just repeating really but you've made the hugest step by deciding in your head that enough is enough and deciding to talk to someone about it (or a whole group of someones ) I know a couple of people mentioned talking up knitting - totally second that idea, as it keeps your hands busy... 7 stone? thats bloody brilliant! would also like to second the diary keeping of husbands movements, even though it might seem a bit uncomfortable, he is a very controlling person, he has come to the attention of the police before and it may be useful in any custody battle, unfortunately when relationships break down, however much of a friend he may seem now, it could get really nasty.

ChocolateRockingHorse · 12/05/2008 11:56

Hecate I always read your posts and always find them clever/enjoyable. I had no idea about your situation until now, and yes I read the whole post.. I bet we all did!

You are such an amazing, witty and clever woman. You are so obviously SO MUCH MORE that this housebound person trapped in a too-large body.

I want to say more to you but I don't know how/probably wouldn't be helpful.

Anniegetyourgun · 12/05/2008 14:04

I was thinking about posting on this thread yesterday, but everyone's already jumped in with all the wise things I would have liked to have said! Particularly agree that DH sounds like he prefers you helpless at home, and that keeping a log of his overnighters is a good idea. If nothing else it would be invaluable evidence in a court battle over child residence.

Earlybird · 12/05/2008 14:32

Hecate - I've skimmed thread, so forgive me if you've answered this elsewhere....has your husband noticed/commented on your weight loss? 7 stone is very significant - well done you.

How do you manage with the dc when dh disappears? How old are they, btw?

PosieParker · 12/05/2008 20:51

Okay, here goes. Now I have read all of your posts but not all of the others, sorry if I repeat some of the advice.
Some of the things that have struck me:
You are really witty and funny, I especially liked fat in bold!! Your husband and you have never really had much of a marriage and this may be because you don't think you deserve one and so he's better than noone. You get on really well but he is not a responsible and considerate partner.
I don't know if you love him and whether it's self preservation or realising that you don't love him and I don't think the two are the same. I wonder if you could ever list the things you love/loved about him?
I think you are amazing that you have lost weight and are beginning to climb such a rewarding and difficult mountain, I could never never do that and am in awe that you have lost seven stone. You must pat yourself hard on the back every day, now say it with me SEVEN STONE!!!
I wonder if you and your dh could accept a seperation but live in the same house, sort of what your doing but with rules and boundaries that work for both of you. Therefore you can't be disappointed with his lack of partnership on an intimate level but you could accept the friendship. If you could stomache the emotional stuff (I don;t think I could) as a means to an end, you need support whilst you're losing weight and he loves his kids, then when you've lost weight you re-evaluate the situation and see what works for you both 5-7 years down the line, when you've walked your first mile or two.
As for him and the police and other women I think you need to be vigilant about his activities there, maybe you discuss this with relate as a mediation service to working your situation out. Maybe your dh will agree as it's not about reconciliation but how to seperate. They do counselling over the phone and I'm sure they could send someone to your home, in your situation or recommend a service that does.
Now if I have the worng take on this let me know and I'll reconsider!!
Take the best care.
Posiex

PosieParker · 12/05/2008 20:58

Oh just thought, keep a diary of your weight loss and sell it!! Money and pressure to lose, what could be better. I can imagine Fern and Phil sat next to this best selling author who has published her MN blog about her transforming weight loss.

Flame · 13/05/2008 07:46

I agree about turning it into a book. I know you already have one on the go, but still...

zippitippitoes · 13/05/2008 07:52

i hope you are ok hecate

umberella · 14/05/2008 08:48

Bump

Let us know how you are doing hecate

Flame · 14/05/2008 18:00

Getting concerned

justdidntthink · 14/05/2008 19:33

I too read the whole post and was saddened by your situation and yet full of admiration for your strong character. I am very overweight and have lost 3 stone, but still have about 7 to go. Like you, my husband and I didn't 'do the deed' for many years, but mainly because we got out of the habit. I am fortunate that he has never done anything to hurt me like yours has and that when tackled about our lack of sex life, he wanted to get it sorted as much as I did. Thankfully that is really back on track now. I don't think that sounds like an option for you because you sound as though you have fallen out of love with your husband, which was never true for either of us. As to you continuing to lose weight, could you join weight watchers? You don't have to go to meetings if you prefer not to as they do an online weightloss club as well now. I am finding the plan very easy to keep to and moslty, I have exactly what the rest of the family have at mealtimes, in fact, sometimes I have loads more than they do! There is nothing you can't have so you learn to make healthy choices which you can continue even after you achieve your goal. I believe some GPs will refer you to WW and the joining fee is paid by the NHS, though they always seem to have 'free joining fee' offers. It sounds to me as though you feel that you cannot do anything until you have lost the weight. Personally, I don't agree with you, but it is what YOU believe that is important. So: continue to lose the wieght, become more confident in yourself, and who knows? it might also encourage your husband to woo you again, and if not, or even if he does and you don't want it, what's to stop you meeting a toyboy and having a wonderful time! You can be a Yummy Mummy!
Seriously, stay strong and keep your chin up, you are doing brilliantly and you are going to continue to do so!

bamboostalks · 14/05/2008 20:23

I have nothing to add really, just posting to show my support. I am a bit of a lurker and always love your posts. So warm, witty and wise. Good Luck.

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