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Is anyone around? I need a friendly listening ear.

114 replies

Hecate · 11/05/2008 06:38

My husband stayed out all night. He's still not back. This is not the first time he has done it. When we were first married he did it all the time. Back then, I cared, I used to picture him with someone else, I used to phone him, sob and scream down the phone at him and accuse him of all manner of things. He would turn it all round on me so he could avoid blame and he'd manipulate ME into apologising! Bastard.

Nowadays, of course, I'm older and wiser and those tricks no longer work on me. I laugh at him and tell him to stop trying to manipulate me. Nowadays I don't phone him when he pulls an all nighter, I just go to bed - and he very rarely does it now, just a few times a year these days, not the AT LEAST once a week he did it 10 years ago. I remember once when he disappeared for a couple of days, leaving me alone with ds1 (when I was pregnant with ds2) I slipped on a nappy sack and fell on my stomach. I phoned him hysterical and he accused me of lying in order to control him and 'make' him come home. When he got back and saw my bruising, well, he couldn't apologise enough, but it was too late then, wasn't it?

Once when he disappeared I phoned his brother because I was so pissed off! A few times I phoned my parents to come and get me, but I always went back, because my need to be married was greater than my need to be treated with respect in that marriage.

Once I found a girl's phone number and when I rang it, she described his car and told me he had tried to convince her to go to a hotel with him, but she'd declined.

Once I had a phone call from a VERY angry woman who ran a dating agency, claiming my husband had tried to get someone to meet him and that "We're not that sort of agency!" I couldn't help it, her tone was so funny that I laughed! She said "I don't know what sort of marriage you have but.." at which I cut her off and apologised. He of course, said someone at the conference he was at must have done it and how stupid would it have been to give them his home number when he wasn't even there - couldn't argue wih that could I? Had to give benefit of doubt. But I knew, oh yes I did.

Once he got arrested because some girl went to the police and said he'd been far too peristant in trying to get her to go into his car The police came for him and took him away. They dropped him back home hours later, no charges, because he'd told them that he had only asked the girl for her advice about where to get an incar phone charger, she'd told him and he'd offered her a lift, she'd said no and he'd left. The police had investigated before picking up my husband - they already knew every place he'd been that day. He told them every place he'd been that day, they knew he'd actually gone and bought a car charger, so his story added up and they told him he had to be careful in future that he wasn't misunderstood. The policeman who brought him home ended up telling my husband which pub he drinks in and now they sometimes end up having a pint together He IS such a charmer, my husband. But again, benefit of the doubt because it is believeable, and it could be true. The police certainly believed so.

There's so much more. Over the last year, he's taken against my parents for - get this - the way they treat me! I could laugh my arse off! But he is hostile about them, and wants them to 'show some effort' with us. He's putting distance between me and them. But if I have to choose, I have to choose him, because I need him more than I need them.

I'm the one on here who bangs on about sex not being the be all and end all of a marriage, and until this morning, I thought I meant it. I truly thought we had a sex-free marriage because sex wasn't important to us as a couple. But I have been fooling myself. We have a sex free marriage because it's not a marriage. He doesn't want it and never has, tbh. From day one he never really wanted it. I wonder if he also just wanted to be married rather than wanted to marry ME?

I used to want it, it used to be me who initiated it every single time - never did he EVERY seduce me, it was always me begging him. But I only did it because the more he rejected me, the more desperate I was to have sex with him to feel desirable. In the end I got rejected time after time after time and I stopped trying, started eating myself to death and eventually lost all sensation in my nethers through lack of use!

We haven't had sex since December 2000. I remember it because that's when he got the girl's phone number. - card transactions showed he was in the north of england when he told me he'd spent the night in his car in London! He lied and lied and lied until I pulled out the statement. His face was a picture!

My sister told me the other day that she has always thought our marriage to be so very very sad. (in the true sense of the word). My sister thinks he's actually gay. I don't know because I think he's been unfaithful to me and since that number was the number of a woman??? But then who knows, because I feel like he's gay too.

But you know what - HE is the reason I am so fat. HE has done that to me! My body weight has more than doubled in the last 10 years. I comfort ate because I was so unhappy with him and the way he treated me. Every time he disappeared, I ate all night. I should have left him then, but I needed to be married.

Now I don't care anymore but I'm trapped by my own weight and health and I need him. I physically need him for the practical things - taking the kids to school, going to the shop, doing the stuff around the house....

But I realised this morning, when I briefly wondered if he'd been in an accident and thought "oh well, the police will let me know" rolled over and went back to sleep, then woke up again briefly to think about how my finances would be without him and felt quite happy about the fact that I'd actually have MORE money because he wouldn't be around to dictate where it got spent , well, it came to me in a flash that I didn't actually care where he was, what he was doing or with whom, and that all I cared about was that he is home by Monday morning to take the kids to school well, I realised I don't love him anymore - if in fact I ever loved him. Maybe I just loved the idea of being married because I wanted to show the world someone wanted me. (although he doesn't, iyswim, I still have that ring. It's not on my finger anymore, haven't worn it for years, it doesn't fit. I think it's probably quite telling that I have never gone to get a bigger one, or have it enlarged..)

I can't leave him now because I rely on him. I also don't want to be a single parent of 2 kids with autism. We don't share a bed. He sleeps on the sofa and has done for years. I fool myself it's practical, I have a bipap, I disturb him, he needs his rest, but do you know, I'd HATE to have to sleep in the same bed again.

But we get on fine - we chat, we have a laugh, we're actually really really good mates.

But I realise this morning that I have been FOOLING myself into thinking we have a marriage, because we don't. He's my carer. He's my housemate. He's my pal. He's my nanny. I really do like him as it happens But he's not my husband and I actually don't care who he shags as long as he's back here when I need him.

So really, I'm using him.

But he brought it on himself because of how he treated me. He nearly destroyed me. And now I don't care anymore he can't hurt me.

But I also realise now WHY I can't lose the wieght and why at the last minute I have chickened out of the op - it's because if I lose the weight I will be able to function alone. I won't be physically reliant on him and I could leave and that scares me. So now I know why I am sabotaging my weight loss attempts, it's because I am scared of facing life on my own.

OP posts:
green · 11/05/2008 07:23

oh hecate. that is such a sad story.
what help can you get in loosing weight? i do think that is probably where you need to start perhaps with a deadline of a time to leave to give you a focus. you know you cannot stay in this relationship don't you?

DiscoDizzy · 11/05/2008 07:23

Well done for losing 7 stone, that's an absolutely brilliant start, and I agree with 'what you have to do'. Good luck hecate.

bringmesunshine · 11/05/2008 07:24

That sounds like the formation of a plan to me

Hecate · 11/05/2008 07:29

Yup. Since November 06 I've lost 7 stone. (it varies because I keep putting bits back on and losing it again - I've probably 'lost' 15!!!) Liquid diet, slimfast, not eating, just eating stuffing, 3 meals a day, fruit and yoghurt only, 6 small meals a day, eating normal food but off a smaller plate, menu planning, calorie controlled, normal healthy eating.....so many different things that I try and when they stop working, I try something else! At the moment I'm on xenical.

I know I can't stay green. I know that. It's scary though.

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nkf · 11/05/2008 07:36

Hecate, I think you are on your way. You know the goal you need to get yourself mobile. Try and see what weight loss support would achieve. I'm sure I've read that the right sort of listening ear has a marked improvement on weight loss outcomes. Remember every stone, every half stone, every pound you lose sees you closer to your goal and the point where you can reclaim your life.

I agree with the poster that now is not the time to discuss anything with your husband. It's not a marriage for him either and perhaps in time, you will separate. But one thing at a time and your health is inhibiting any meaningful change.

Good luck.

EffiePerine · 11/05/2008 07:37

Such a sad story Hecate, but I am amazed that despite this low level abuse (and it is abuse) you are so clear-sighted about what you need to do. You're already more than half way to your goal: what do you need to do to lose that last 5 stone? (and then get the hell out of there)

lizziemun · 11/05/2008 07:43

I have no advice as such, but to say you sound like now you have decided enough is enough.

So now you need a plan of action on how to move forward.

So how about this

carry on with trying to lose the weight and forget the rest (leaving, being a single parent etc) until you are more able to cope with it.

The way i see it is now you have decided how you feel about your (d)h you no longer have the stress of being a loving wife and just be housemates you can just concentrate on your dc and getting yourself better.

fatzak · 11/05/2008 07:44

That's fantastic at losing so much already. Surely being able to leave and care for your children will be such an incentive for you to carry on losing weight and improving your health? Go for it

Hecate · 11/05/2008 07:45

What do I need to do? I need to get some self control! I start every day full of determination but usually screw up in the evening. It's after the kids go to bed that I feel bad. During the day I either don't eat at all, or eat normally, it doesn't bother me. After 8pm I am compelled to eat. To stuff myself so physically full that I don't feel the emotional hole, iyswim.

house is HA and only in my name, which is going to be useful

I really think if I could lose the weight, I would tell him to leave. So WHY am I not strongly motivated to lose more weight? Because while I need him I don't have to make changes. If I lose the weight then I've no more excuses, have I?

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MayPolerBear · 11/05/2008 07:45

have you tried that lighter life thing? as someone else says, a listening ear as well

umberella · 11/05/2008 07:46

Hecate, losing 5 stone shows amazing determination and and resolve!

I'm not so sure that your husband would automatically be given custody of your children from what you posted in the OP. The 'disappearing acts' reek of someone who is up to no good and who is actually unreliable and deceitful to his family.

In addition, look at the way he has treated you - the mother of his children - and what his treatment has done to your confidence and self esteem. He is keeping you down - I am convinced that without him you would do so much better, even if his departure would mean negociating some tricky practicalities.

EffiePerine · 11/05/2008 07:47

On the eating in the evenings, what about something that keeps yours hands busy (knitting, other crafty stuff?). I don't think you're a coward for being worried about change, very few people rush towards massive changes with open arms, but it sounds like your head is getting towards that stage IYSWIM

umberella · 11/05/2008 07:52

x-posts, sorry.

It really sounds to me like a vicious circle that's perpetuated by your husband being there, but there being no real relationship.

Although I can see the point of view that would suggest losing the weight first might make things a bit easier, that could take you another few years.......staying in this situation is not going to help your state of mind and that is going to be crucial to your attempts to lose weight.

In my view you may need to improve your own emotional wellbeing in order to lose it, by getting out of this toxic and depressing situation. You sound like you have a lot of resolve at this point, but leaving things as they are could well see your resolve diminish over time.

Hecate · 11/05/2008 07:52

Lighterlife is too expensive! It is the same as our entire weekly budget to feed the four of us! . I had counselling but looking back, I didn't want to help myself. I had a hypnotherapist but she dumped me because I was beyond help (ok, she didn't say beyond help, but that's what she meant!) and she didn't feel morally she could continue to take my money.

Umbrella - Not to brag or anything but it's 7 stone I've already lost and 5 more I need to lose to get mobile - don't get me wrong, I'd need to lose more after that, but it would mean I could walk.

how on earth that shameful admission is bragging, I don't know

Sorry to take up your time folks, but it's really helping to let it all out. Plus I have this on watch and I can reread it to give me strength

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umberella · 11/05/2008 07:54

That's amazing. I think you have a lot more strength than you are letting on x

zippitippitoes · 11/05/2008 07:56

hi hecate i have read the wholew post

i think you are further along the way than you realise

you have a very good grasp of your situation you are articualte and capable mentally you can crack the physical things

you have lost weight so far against the odds

can you take the realisation you have come to with regard to your partner and use it to motivate you and give you strength

my exdp left last year after 8 years and i concluded that although i thought he was good for me when he was here...we met when i was in a psychiatric hospital he wasnt and he became initially someone i could talk to..we had agreat relationship for the first few years but then i think it became one where i relied on him although in fact i am much the stronger more intelligent more capable and knowledgeable person

he sapped that from me and i lost ocnfidence and worried about my mental health

in facty hios was the second poisonous relationship really tho it seemed ownderful for most of the time we were together

however i put on weight and lkost friends and ended up lacking in confidence and anxious about my mental health

i made a decision to lose weight and get fit

i did so and was doing well when he suddenly left last summer

i could have crumbled but i was determined to shjow that i was a strong person and could manage perfectly well and cope mentally without falling apart

i carried on and lost the rest of my weight and that was nearly 5 stone..not as much as you have to lose but my real bug bear has been mental health and losing the person i felt was my soul mate and the only person who understood my mental health

i have wavered recently but i am determined to be independent and learn how to continue to manage myself without feeling i have to have someone to support me

not sure where i am going with this ramble but what i am trying to say is that people can appear to be a support when in fact the y are undermining your self esteem

and you can go along way forward by deciding determinedly to show the world that you are feisty and strong and independent

believing that yourself is the first step

it is hard

and you step backwards often but you have to pick yourself and become a survivor

i dont really like the expression survivor but when people say it they always mean well and it is said with admiration for your spirit

so you have taken a step articulating your thoughts and letting them come into the open for yourself as much as anyone else

it is an epiphany

i cant advise but you can work out how to move forward im sure

you are brilliantly clever at analysing situations for other people

and sorry i havent emailed you i have had some turmoil in my head this last week but just getting myself back on track taking my own advice lol

this is ridiculaously long and unfocussed

sorry

i will add that one reason i was in a psychiatric hospital in the first lplace was as a result of my marriage at the time where my exh did this staying out all night business and various other stuff i was with him 23 years and that was many years too long

DiscoDizzy · 11/05/2008 07:57

Hecate, while you say that you don't have to make changes to your weight etc, you have to come to terms with the fact that if you've realised the flaws in your marriage, surely he will have thought the same, there is in every marriage the possibility that he could leave before you are ready for him to go.

Do you drink alcohol in the evening? If I drink alcohol I always munch food, if I don't drink, I don't munch. Perhaps we need to post all our tricks for munching in the evening, what we eat thats low in calories etc. I eat Hartleys sugar free jelly (less than 10 calories per pot), or weight watchers citrus yoghurts. Otherwise I sit on my hands?

littlelapin · 11/05/2008 07:58

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zippitippitoes · 11/05/2008 08:03

i have some more to say ;lol

i know the feelign of being embarrassed to ask for help

i have been there

i thought i needed exdp to tell me when i was sane and to support me as well as i loved him to bits and we had a great sex life until he seemed to go off me

now i am trying to set up some sort of support for when i need it through the gp it isnt proving very successful but i think i deserve it as much as the next [mad] person so i am still trying

all these things have a stigma but in the end your health and well being is more impoirtant

zippitippitoes · 11/05/2008 08:05

i can see that the children are the hardest part but i am sure you can get there and it will work out if you can maintain the motivation you have expressed so far

zippitippitoes · 11/05/2008 08:07

i think lighter life can help for people who struggle because it is a very routine orintated thing i dont know much about it and wouldnt do it myself but i think for people who are very overweight it is structured and makes things very rule bound which can be effective

and i agree there might be funding for you

MayPolerBear · 11/05/2008 08:08

good idea lapin, didn't realise it was so expensive, sorry
Hecate, do you have support in RL?

Flame · 11/05/2008 08:08

Ok. I have read all of this.

Do you know many rl MNers in your area? You need to fill the gap between 8pm & bedtime where you eat, so you need a distraction. A rl person to come round and talk to, play cards, anything just be with you would help.

I know I have had times of doing the same kind of eating - hand crafts (as innocent as that sound) help stop me too - keeping my hands occupied, preferably with white fabric or wool that I can't get messed up with food hands.

Change is going to be fcking terrifying. I have read your blog on and off (lost it when I changed laptop, so if you wanna link... ), and I have it in the back of my mind that you have AS traits too - that is going to make it 100% harder than even the normal fcking terrifying of completely changing life.

There is nothing at all shameful about losing SEVEN stone! It doesn't matter how big you are - it is still a hell of a lot of weight to lose. Tis like you've lost a whole posh spice (or probably posh and then some judging by the size of that bint )

MN is a fabulous place - you know that, you have been here for a long time. We can do this with you. There is always someone awake to talk to, to tell you to put down the crisps. Be honest with us, use us, and we WILL get you mobile and living alone with your boys.

zippitippitoes · 11/05/2008 08:10

i also think play the long game with your husband

he sounds as though he has issues too but i wouldnt catapult him out of the way until you are ready tbh

but definitely plan to do so at some point an dbear in mind that he might leave himself tho he doesnt sound as tho he is likely to at the moment

MayPolerBear · 11/05/2008 08:11

lol at losing a posh spice...i wish