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Is anyone around? I need a friendly listening ear.

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Hecate · 11/05/2008 06:38

My husband stayed out all night. He's still not back. This is not the first time he has done it. When we were first married he did it all the time. Back then, I cared, I used to picture him with someone else, I used to phone him, sob and scream down the phone at him and accuse him of all manner of things. He would turn it all round on me so he could avoid blame and he'd manipulate ME into apologising! Bastard.

Nowadays, of course, I'm older and wiser and those tricks no longer work on me. I laugh at him and tell him to stop trying to manipulate me. Nowadays I don't phone him when he pulls an all nighter, I just go to bed - and he very rarely does it now, just a few times a year these days, not the AT LEAST once a week he did it 10 years ago. I remember once when he disappeared for a couple of days, leaving me alone with ds1 (when I was pregnant with ds2) I slipped on a nappy sack and fell on my stomach. I phoned him hysterical and he accused me of lying in order to control him and 'make' him come home. When he got back and saw my bruising, well, he couldn't apologise enough, but it was too late then, wasn't it?

Once when he disappeared I phoned his brother because I was so pissed off! A few times I phoned my parents to come and get me, but I always went back, because my need to be married was greater than my need to be treated with respect in that marriage.

Once I found a girl's phone number and when I rang it, she described his car and told me he had tried to convince her to go to a hotel with him, but she'd declined.

Once I had a phone call from a VERY angry woman who ran a dating agency, claiming my husband had tried to get someone to meet him and that "We're not that sort of agency!" I couldn't help it, her tone was so funny that I laughed! She said "I don't know what sort of marriage you have but.." at which I cut her off and apologised. He of course, said someone at the conference he was at must have done it and how stupid would it have been to give them his home number when he wasn't even there - couldn't argue wih that could I? Had to give benefit of doubt. But I knew, oh yes I did.

Once he got arrested because some girl went to the police and said he'd been far too peristant in trying to get her to go into his car The police came for him and took him away. They dropped him back home hours later, no charges, because he'd told them that he had only asked the girl for her advice about where to get an incar phone charger, she'd told him and he'd offered her a lift, she'd said no and he'd left. The police had investigated before picking up my husband - they already knew every place he'd been that day. He told them every place he'd been that day, they knew he'd actually gone and bought a car charger, so his story added up and they told him he had to be careful in future that he wasn't misunderstood. The policeman who brought him home ended up telling my husband which pub he drinks in and now they sometimes end up having a pint together He IS such a charmer, my husband. But again, benefit of the doubt because it is believeable, and it could be true. The police certainly believed so.

There's so much more. Over the last year, he's taken against my parents for - get this - the way they treat me! I could laugh my arse off! But he is hostile about them, and wants them to 'show some effort' with us. He's putting distance between me and them. But if I have to choose, I have to choose him, because I need him more than I need them.

I'm the one on here who bangs on about sex not being the be all and end all of a marriage, and until this morning, I thought I meant it. I truly thought we had a sex-free marriage because sex wasn't important to us as a couple. But I have been fooling myself. We have a sex free marriage because it's not a marriage. He doesn't want it and never has, tbh. From day one he never really wanted it. I wonder if he also just wanted to be married rather than wanted to marry ME?

I used to want it, it used to be me who initiated it every single time - never did he EVERY seduce me, it was always me begging him. But I only did it because the more he rejected me, the more desperate I was to have sex with him to feel desirable. In the end I got rejected time after time after time and I stopped trying, started eating myself to death and eventually lost all sensation in my nethers through lack of use!

We haven't had sex since December 2000. I remember it because that's when he got the girl's phone number. - card transactions showed he was in the north of england when he told me he'd spent the night in his car in London! He lied and lied and lied until I pulled out the statement. His face was a picture!

My sister told me the other day that she has always thought our marriage to be so very very sad. (in the true sense of the word). My sister thinks he's actually gay. I don't know because I think he's been unfaithful to me and since that number was the number of a woman??? But then who knows, because I feel like he's gay too.

But you know what - HE is the reason I am so fat. HE has done that to me! My body weight has more than doubled in the last 10 years. I comfort ate because I was so unhappy with him and the way he treated me. Every time he disappeared, I ate all night. I should have left him then, but I needed to be married.

Now I don't care anymore but I'm trapped by my own weight and health and I need him. I physically need him for the practical things - taking the kids to school, going to the shop, doing the stuff around the house....

But I realised this morning, when I briefly wondered if he'd been in an accident and thought "oh well, the police will let me know" rolled over and went back to sleep, then woke up again briefly to think about how my finances would be without him and felt quite happy about the fact that I'd actually have MORE money because he wouldn't be around to dictate where it got spent , well, it came to me in a flash that I didn't actually care where he was, what he was doing or with whom, and that all I cared about was that he is home by Monday morning to take the kids to school well, I realised I don't love him anymore - if in fact I ever loved him. Maybe I just loved the idea of being married because I wanted to show the world someone wanted me. (although he doesn't, iyswim, I still have that ring. It's not on my finger anymore, haven't worn it for years, it doesn't fit. I think it's probably quite telling that I have never gone to get a bigger one, or have it enlarged..)

I can't leave him now because I rely on him. I also don't want to be a single parent of 2 kids with autism. We don't share a bed. He sleeps on the sofa and has done for years. I fool myself it's practical, I have a bipap, I disturb him, he needs his rest, but do you know, I'd HATE to have to sleep in the same bed again.

But we get on fine - we chat, we have a laugh, we're actually really really good mates.

But I realise this morning that I have been FOOLING myself into thinking we have a marriage, because we don't. He's my carer. He's my housemate. He's my pal. He's my nanny. I really do like him as it happens But he's not my husband and I actually don't care who he shags as long as he's back here when I need him.

So really, I'm using him.

But he brought it on himself because of how he treated me. He nearly destroyed me. And now I don't care anymore he can't hurt me.

But I also realise now WHY I can't lose the wieght and why at the last minute I have chickened out of the op - it's because if I lose the weight I will be able to function alone. I won't be physically reliant on him and I could leave and that scares me. So now I know why I am sabotaging my weight loss attempts, it's because I am scared of facing life on my own.

OP posts:
umberella · 11/05/2008 08:39

lol @ pan they sound gorgeous.....

lackaDAISYcal · 11/05/2008 08:40

would he agree to marriage counselling? you can also go on your own if he won't.

I can't see what he is benefitting from the relationship at all, other than a verbal punchbag

and your admission isn't sad at all. I've said much the same thing before to the women on my PN thread, although I'm lucky to have a couple of really good friends around. But they are the only RL friends really as I moved here two years ago, leaving family and friends behind. MN has kept me sane in that time.

mehdismummy · 11/05/2008 08:40

purple y front. Yes you win pan!

2sugars · 11/05/2008 08:41

Hecate, don't EVER think that. I got back from a dr's appt yesterday, and MN WAS the only thing that helped me through. Am still pondering 'bout you, and what advice I can give. XXX

MayPolerBear · 11/05/2008 08:43

hadnt even considered the purple aspect, just the age -do they have a my little pony on them? (they were big in the 80s)

tigermoth · 11/05/2008 08:45

Your op seems really clearheaded to me. No decision you make will be easy.

If you have suddenly come to the realisation that you are scared to lose weight because you are scared to end your marriage then (IMO) that knowledge will stay with you and grow in your mind.

My guess (don't know if I am right) is that the realisation will make you hate your marriage more and more as you can now see how you have been trapped by your dh. The more you hate your marriage, the more difficult it will be to be friends with your dh IMO.

You do seem to like the companionship of your dh. Perhaps the only way you and your dh can have any sort of friendship may be once the marriage is over? A separation might improve your friendship?

From what you say, I can picture you free of your dh, mobile enough to care for your children, separated but having your dh as a friend in your life and a father to your children. I know this is an ideal but it could be something to work towards?

I think your priority is to find out what will happen if you leave your dh right now. Get legal advice, speak to social services about your mobility issues, find out if it is at all practically feasable for you to end your marriage while your mobility is not good.

If 'yes' then at least you know you are not as trapped as you suppose. If 'no' then you will know what you have to do - up to you whether you then choose to do it.

Papillon · 11/05/2008 08:49

Hi Hecate, read all your posts. Its a tough one when you know your dh will fight for the kids. You gotta be prepared for that and all the emotional upheaval involved. Losing weight is just one goal, I think another is your self esteem, and your need for sexual self esteem.

You gotta start looking inside yourself for support and not from your dh. The thought has crossed my mind that your dh does like to have your dependent on him, especially when you mentioned he is of late disapproving of your family. Does he praise you for losing any weight?

Twinkie1 · 11/05/2008 08:56

Honey would it be possible to go to your doctor and see about a gastric band or something - drastic I know but you need something to change your perception of you and your situation - you deserve so much more than this!

Pan · 11/05/2008 08:59

didn't say hecate that one of the things my sister values is the space being offered to talk about her weight, without judgement. She gets plenty of that from other people.
Lovely to see so many suppoertive posts. 84 for a Sunday morning - says a lot.

Rosylily · 11/05/2008 08:59

Your dh seems to have big problems but he probably loves and needs you and doesn't want to lose you because you are an amazing and interesting woman.
I think it is easy to abuse each other in a relationship when one or the other feels a bit low in spirit. But self abuse is the bigger problem. If someone tries to put you down because they feel low reflect it back like a mirror, don't take it and don't give it either. Love yourself, love the other person, aim high.
I think you should steer a million miles away from feeling like a victim, or feeling bad about who you are.

kd73 · 11/05/2008 09:06

Hecate,

Congratulations on losing posh! Its a real achievement of which you should be very proud

Counselling may not have worked previously but you need to write down what exactly isn't working for you at the moment and how it makes you feel. Then on the opposite page, write down about the life you want and deserve. Keep it safe.

Go and seek help, you will not be the first to see your GP and will not be the last. Perhaps as mentioned earlier, some financial assistance may be available (nothing ventured nothing gained).

It takes courage to acknowledge when life changes are needed, you have done that and lost posh already (half way there)!!!

We all face life changes which scare the hell out of us at times and we may settle for 2nd best. For me, I made the life changes 12 years ago and now have the life that I wrote down about! Be brave and good luck!

PellMell · 11/05/2008 09:09

That crossed my mind too papillon

I once watched a documentary about "feeders"
basically people who encourage the obesity of their partners.They do subtly or not so subtly encourage over eating and sabbotage efforts to lose weight.
A kind of "keeping" of someone to feel needed

They are seen as the poor long suffering one having to "care" for their partner. It
has a similar result as munchausen by proxy syndrome.

Hecate I think you sound amazing.

PosieParker · 11/05/2008 09:11

Hecate, I will come to this later because I would like to think about my reply and give it some time, so this may be Monday night.. I just wanted to you to know that i've read it and feel you have cause for concern with your dh and other women, police etc and that you are in self preservation mode and know that if your dh had been half decent you woud not be using him.
Relax and have a nice day, if you can.

spamm · 11/05/2008 09:14

Hi Hecate - there have already been some very good posts here, and hopefully all together we can help you through this.

I am not surprised by the clarity and wit of your op, despite the sad situation you are in. I often read your posts and your blog and you have a real way with words and describe very difficult day-to-day situations so poignantly and so funnily.

And it is this clarity that convinces me that you basically know what you want, but you are not yet sure that you are strong enough to get there by yourself. But you have come so far already - with the weight loss, with the fact that you are such a fab mom to two lovable boys and that you cope with everything that life throws at you.

We all struggle with self esteem at times, and although our situations are very different, I recognise a lot of what you have said here in me. So let us continue to be your rl friends, and maybe we can support you and also all learn from this experience.

MayPolerBear · 11/05/2008 09:20

Yes, I've been trying to think of the best way to say this but I'm just going to open mouth, insert foot:

Hecate, you have been around on MN a lot with advice and provide lots of amusement. If you're getting support now, it's because you more than deserve it. I really want you to get through this and be happy, and I'm a relative newbie. You have loads of friends and we're all behind you!

MayPolerBear · 11/05/2008 09:21

If she answers with "and you are...?" I may cry

cory · 11/05/2008 09:21

Another thing, and I know this sounds mean. But you have got to keep a log on the disappearances of your husband, any suspicious circumstance, any run-in with the police- if it ever comes to a custody battle, this is going to carry more weight than your being disabled.

I know he slipped out that time, but if other women are calling the police about him- that's not going to look good in a family court. Make sure you keep track of the dates.

MayPolerBear · 11/05/2008 09:21

v true

Dior · 11/05/2008 09:22

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TheProvincialLady · 11/05/2008 09:28

Hecate I have no advice for you except that you might find some useful help and support with your compulsive overeating here Good luck

KatieScarlett2833 · 11/05/2008 10:26

Hecate, I think you are on your way. I think you will make it. You don't sound sad to me at all, just like someone who has finally seen the light. Good for you, many don't.

RaspberrySheep · 11/05/2008 11:21

Hello Hecate, I have read a lot of your posts and you always come across as a very intelligent and witty lady, and HUGE congratulations on losing 7 stone, it's an amazing achievement.
You have managed to achieve so much already and taken a huge first step by admitting that you are unhappy and wanting to change things. The more weight you lose, the more your self confidence will grow and this will give you the extra motivation to make the weight disappear.

With regards to the evening snacking, I do exactly the same thing. I read that you rely on your DH to go shopping, so I'm wondering if he may be able to help you here - i.e. if he doesn't buy the wrong foods, then you won't be able to eat them? Maybe you could ask him not to buy food that you will binge on? I only eat because it's there and if I don't buy it then it's not there to eat in the evening, so I don't have any excuses!

Good luck with everything Hecate, I really admire you for making the brave decision to change something you're not happy with. x x

mumblesmummy · 11/05/2008 14:32

Hecate, I hope you don't think this insensitive, but you could be a writer! The post is written very well and probably describes how many women feel! It's also very sad, and I really feel for you. Well done on losing the weight.. maybe you could do with losing an extra say 13 stone of man?

You sound very together and lovely, and you know you deserve better and can do better.. I think the actual going out and getting it will come in time.

Flame · 11/05/2008 19:47

How you doin?

umberella · 12/05/2008 07:33

Hi Hecate, just wondering how you are doing and hoping you are keeping your spirits up.

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