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Handhold needed - think we're over

227 replies

heartbrokenlost · 25/02/2025 22:44

Just had a big argument with DP. We just cannot see eye to eye on our relationship at all. We have 2 kids and I'm just so lost as to what to do next. In my heart I know we're not right for eachother and I could be happier elsewhere but I am so scared of the implications/finances etc of splitting.

I need to try and sleep and see if we can talk calmly in the morning but honestly I think this is it.

OP posts:
MrsFaustus · 26/02/2025 09:30

I never say LTB but this time I am! He sounds like an awful husband, father and human being. The sex demands would be enough for me, relationship sex is supposed to be an expression of love. You are lucky in that you have maintained a decently paid job so can do this. Get lawyered up, find a rental and go. You can’t live like this, it’s abuse. You and the children will survive and then thrive.

CheekySnake · 26/02/2025 09:31

heartbrokenlost · 26/02/2025 09:29

This is how they go, genuinely:

Me: I'm struggling, I need more help with the kids/house
Him: You don't care if I struggle with the bills (this is nonsensical really and makes zero sense). You didn't pay 100% of holidays I did
Me: This isn't about finances, we contribute proportinately, it's about time/mental load and I am have much less free time/more on my plate
Him: so what you do the washing it takes 5 minutes
me: if it only takes 5 minutes could you do it - it would be helpful
him: i am not doing the washing
me: why?
him: i dont want to. leave me alone

To put it bluntly - he's a shit, and if you don't leave him, you will still be having this conversation when you're 60.

healthybychristmas · 26/02/2025 09:32

He sounds terrible! He wants you to go 50-50 on finances but not on housework or childcare. He wants sex all the time when you must be absolutely knackered from doing all the housework and childcare. Why on earth would you want to have sex with someone who treats you so badly?

ClairDeLaLune · 26/02/2025 09:39

BustyLaRoux · 26/02/2025 08:38

I’m sorry @heartbrokenlost, I had one of these too. Not the finance. We didn’t argue about that really. Though he did seem to think household items like nice cutlery or new towels should be paid for by me as he said we didn’t need them (and then took them all when we split up saying he’d paid half, which he categorically had not!). Anyway I digress. Yes I had one of these. I think you’re very good to do the sex 2-3 times a week. I could barely manage it once a fortnight. But he told me the minimum he would expect is once per week and I should absolutely prioritise it. However like you, although I worked full time, I also did 90% of everything else that needed doing. All the washing and folding, the weekly shop (ordered online). On rare occasions I had to go into work at short notice and it arrived when he was wfh and I wasn’t, he would put a bag (not even take the items out of the bag. Just the whole bag) of fridge stuff straight in the fridge and leave everything else out for me when I got home. So I would come home having also picked up the kids from school to be greeted by bags of shopping which were apparently mine to deal with. When I would protest he would shrug and say I shouldn’t organise deliveries for when I’m not here and he is (why??? Because the family food shop is my job in his mind!). He went to the gym before work and again after work. I of course was dealing with the children. He would come home from the gym, and I would be bathing the children having cooked for and fed them. I’d ask him to please finish up tidying the kitchen (I’m not very messy so it’s just put a few things in the dishwasher and wipe down the table etc). He would refuse and again shrug and say it wasn’t his mess! (Again, feeding children is the woman’s job obviously!) He would rather shove down the rubbish in the bin than empty it such that the bin (it was one of those that pulled out as you opened a cupboard) actually broke. And guess who fixed that???. If I asked him to empty the bin, he say no, he did it last time (but I would have done it the 40 times before that!).

Basically his whole life was devoted to finding ways not to have to do anything. Of course it was unreasonable!!!! And he knew that. But he was so good at arguing and manipulating. When I questioned whether going to the gym twice a day was reasonable given we had two young children to deal with and get to school/pick up, he said it didn’t count as leisure as he didn’t enjoy it! 😳 Then when I balked at this ridiculous argument, he just found a new one: it was to keep him healthy. Didn’t I want him to be healthy? He actually asked me “do you want me to die young??!”. When I questioned why I did so much housework while he sat down or was in the gym, he would say his job was harder or that he was a good dad or I didn’t give him enough sex….. Basically just avoiding the topic by giving an answer which didn’t address my complaint at all.

I knew I would have to leave him. I knew that there was nothing I could say or do that would change him. The behaviours were too entrenched he’d. We’d been together more than 20 years and I should have left him years before. I stuck around because I was scared about breaking the family up and worried about money and I couldn’t envisage not being with him as we’d been together so long.

But I did leave in the end. Actually I had an affair! (He was also playing away by that point and I honestly didn’t care!). I don’t think we had much respect left for each other. It was nice that someone else thought I was a worthwhile human being. Obviously I’m not recommending you do that! (It wasn’t the cleanest exit from a relationship and I could write a book about what happened next!). But it did actually give me some confidence and strength to stand up and say this is enough! I left.

He did have the “decency” to admit that perhaps he had been a bit lazy (gee, you don’t say!!) but of course downplayed it by saying I was horrible to him and bullied him etc (forgetting all the horrible manipulation tactics he used on me and the nasty verbal abuse he gave me when I protested strongly about his behaviour. Apparently I was toxic!) So of course he gets to still be “a good man if a bit lazy” and that’s the narrative he’s going with. Fine. Whatever.

And you know what, we are both happier. And actually fairly good mates. We co parent excellently. The kids are fine. He is an improved human being, as I always knew he would be if he were with a new woman. Because he would have to be!

You could try counselling. Maybe it’s worth a last ditch attempt. I’d checked out by then. 20 years of someone being a manchild will clamp your Fanny shut and there ain’t no amount of talking that was gonna reverse that! Besides he is such a clever manipulator that he would have made me look unreasonable. I often said he should have been a politician because of how he evaded answers and manipulates situations to get what he wants.

But if you decide you’ve had enough, and god knows no one would blame you because he genuinely sounds utterly awful, then I can assure you it will be fine. You don’t need all the answers now. You’ll work it out as you go along. Which is scary, yes. The unknown and not having a plan is pretty terrifying. But, all the hard bits will pass. And you will be OK. Plus you’ll have ditched your manchild. You can either enjoy being independent of someone who brings you down or you might find someone new who values your efforts and doesn’t treat you like a sex doll!

Good luck, my friend, whatever you decide! Xx

That is brilliant. And so well-written @BustyLaRoux you should write a book! Well done for your well-deserved happy ending.

Queenofparcels · 26/02/2025 09:39

heartbrokenlost · 26/02/2025 09:29

This is how they go, genuinely:

Me: I'm struggling, I need more help with the kids/house
Him: You don't care if I struggle with the bills (this is nonsensical really and makes zero sense). You didn't pay 100% of holidays I did
Me: This isn't about finances, we contribute proportinately, it's about time/mental load and I am have much less free time/more on my plate
Him: so what you do the washing it takes 5 minutes
me: if it only takes 5 minutes could you do it - it would be helpful
him: i am not doing the washing
me: why?
him: i dont want to. leave me alone

How old is he?
He sounds like a sulky child, "can't, shan't', won't and you can't make me".

If this is the way he behaves then make plans to leave and let this sulky toddler manage on his own.

I think it's come to the parting of the ways, sorry OP x

ClairDeLaLune · 26/02/2025 09:41

Do you think he knows you want to split? Would it be a shock to him? Enough to try to change or do you think he’s too entrenched now?

babymamalove · 26/02/2025 09:54

The reason I am hopeful is you seem to have passed the denial stage that a lot of posters go through (no shade to them, it’s part of the process of having a shit partner).

You sound like a really nice person OP and I have faith that you will do the right thing for yourself. You can do it

Bumblebeestiltskin · 26/02/2025 10:00

Azandme · 26/02/2025 00:05

It won't feel pointless when he has no clean pants.

You aren't his mum, if he won't share the load, then at least make him take his own load.

He sounds vile.

Absolutely! It's definitely not you, @heartbrokenlost - he sounds absolutely horrible and hour life will be so much happier without him!

honeylulu · 26/02/2025 10:03

i don't want to. leave me alone.

Say this to him when he demands sex.

The more you write about him the more my blood boils for you.

TagSplashMaverick · 26/02/2025 10:05

heartbrokenlost · 26/02/2025 06:29

This is where I’m so confused. He really uses this against me to a point I genuinely wonder if I’m wrong?

I just don’t have the energy for sex daily. Great example is what caused the argument last night:

I have a big presentation at work this week. I’m struggling to get it done, along with housework etc. I finished work earlier than him to pick up kids. He’s still in his office (at home we’re both remote) until around 645. He doesn’t have to be - he chooses to no calls or anything. I finished at 5, got the kids from after school club, made dinner, did a super quick tidy, got the kids in bed (he semi helps with bed time but actually makes it worse as he stands around on his phone in a strop). Once they’re asleep it’s gone half 8 and I get my laptop back out to continue working. I’m head down in this presentation when he ‘demands’ sex and then gets the huff when I don’t jump on top of him. I say demands because if he wants sex I can’t say no without either an argument or a guilt trip and a rubbish evening.

This is genuinely appalling.

I really think you need to leave this man. He’s a fucking disgrace and his treatment of you is coercive and abusive.

His views on you paying 50:50, but doing 100% of household and child-related care, when you both work FT, is genuinely shocking.

MumWifeOther · 26/02/2025 10:06

heartbrokenlost · 26/02/2025 09:29

This is how they go, genuinely:

Me: I'm struggling, I need more help with the kids/house
Him: You don't care if I struggle with the bills (this is nonsensical really and makes zero sense). You didn't pay 100% of holidays I did
Me: This isn't about finances, we contribute proportinately, it's about time/mental load and I am have much less free time/more on my plate
Him: so what you do the washing it takes 5 minutes
me: if it only takes 5 minutes could you do it - it would be helpful
him: i am not doing the washing
me: why?
him: i dont want to. leave me alone

This is horrible and not normal. You don’t need to resign yourself to a life with a “partner” like this. Who treats someone like this and then expects sex?

Sunat45degrees · 26/02/2025 10:07

OP, he's abusive. I think you should leave as soon as you can. Be prepared - he will threaten you with not just 50:50 but actually that he'll TAKE the kids from you. But it will be threats because he doesn't really want the kids. He's self employed and resentful of money so trust me, he will not pay CMS, or the bare minimum. Thi sis alwful for you. But it will still be better than living with a man who is emotionally and financially controlling and who is sexually harassing you. Sadly, the harassment could very easily move to sexual assualt.

Please leave as soon as you can. Your mum would not want this for you.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 26/02/2025 10:11

I also had one like this. I was a SAHM so naturally I picked up the housework and kids but he wouldn't lift one single finger. If I asked him to, say, wash the dishes, he would say 'yes, I'll do it in a bit.' I therefore would leave the dishes, and maybe a day later I'd have to wash them, because we needed the plates, whereupon he would say 'why are you doing those, I SAID I'd do them!' thereby making it completely my fault.

The reason I eventually left was that he would do it when people were around. If we had visitors he'd be Dad of the Year (as opposed to barely speaking to his kids when it was just us), he'd wash up, tidy up, clear tables, cook... for the show of it. Because he knew people would ask why he didn't help. So he knew he ought to, he knew that it was something he should do. He just didn't want to.

They don't change. At least, he DID change, when he remarried and his new wife (I heard from the kids) would tell him in no uncertain terms what he had to do. She was stronger than me and didn't take any shit. I was too tired and beaten down with five kids to so much as argue.

So, go, OP. What you've got is an entitled Manbaby who won't change because, like my ex, he doesn't want to. Not even to keep his partner happy and make her life better.

Cotonsugar · 26/02/2025 10:12

This man is on another planet if he thinks looking after children and a home is easy, which is why he has refused to do any of it when asked 🙄

Cotonsugar · 26/02/2025 10:13

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 26/02/2025 10:11

I also had one like this. I was a SAHM so naturally I picked up the housework and kids but he wouldn't lift one single finger. If I asked him to, say, wash the dishes, he would say 'yes, I'll do it in a bit.' I therefore would leave the dishes, and maybe a day later I'd have to wash them, because we needed the plates, whereupon he would say 'why are you doing those, I SAID I'd do them!' thereby making it completely my fault.

The reason I eventually left was that he would do it when people were around. If we had visitors he'd be Dad of the Year (as opposed to barely speaking to his kids when it was just us), he'd wash up, tidy up, clear tables, cook... for the show of it. Because he knew people would ask why he didn't help. So he knew he ought to, he knew that it was something he should do. He just didn't want to.

They don't change. At least, he DID change, when he remarried and his new wife (I heard from the kids) would tell him in no uncertain terms what he had to do. She was stronger than me and didn't take any shit. I was too tired and beaten down with five kids to so much as argue.

So, go, OP. What you've got is an entitled Manbaby who won't change because, like my ex, he doesn't want to. Not even to keep his partner happy and make her life better.

The second wife gets the better version 😊

skyeisthelimit · 26/02/2025 10:22

OP, as so many have said, he won't change. If you work equal hours in equal jobs then you should be doing equal shares of the household and DC work.

You know that you need to leave. It is good that you have enough for a deposit. Every time you waver, then think how nice it will be to be on your own without the constant pressure for sex. Think how much easier it will be, although you will still have to do everything, but for 3 of you not 4, so the workload will be less. You will be happier and less stressed.

You need to form a plan for leaving, and also plan to manage financially without him. All he legally has to pay is child maintenance, and if he is self employed, his earnings could be less than an employed person. So if you plan to manage without any money from him, then anything you get will be a bonus.

Look into any benefits that you may be entitled to. Make sure that the Child Benefit is in your name. There are benefit calculators out there.

Download the MSE budget planner as it is really helpful with working out finances.

You also need to accept that he may not have the DC 50/50, and plan for that too.

LushLemonTart · 26/02/2025 10:22

@heartbrokenlost please never have sex with this cunt again. He's appalling. How dare he call YOU abusive! That's rich.

Your new life sounds perfect. Do it. Mentally divorce now. And take any support you can get.

Have you rang women's aid?

As for furniture ask on local Facebook groups and there's probably local charities? You'll get a lot cheap or free.

I wish you were my friend I'd help you escape. I've helped a few friends.

rainbowstardrops · 26/02/2025 10:24

Well to put it quite simply, he doesn't respect you. Quite possibly doesn't love you either.
He's literally treated you as a baby maker (and he's grumpy to them!) a housemaid and a sex toy. Mentally, you'd be far better off without him.
When he says about 50:50 with the kids, just nod and say you're sure that can be worked into any arrangement. You know full well he wouldn't be able to manage!
Honestly, you're doing pretty much everything now, so it won't be much different. For him on the other hand .......

MondayYogurt · 26/02/2025 10:26

heartbrokenlost · 25/02/2025 23:25

@Maitri108 that's really interesting - and exactly how i felt this evening. i just cannot understand WHY he thinks he shouldnt have to help, why i should pick up after him, and if i ask him why he refuses to engage, will not explain himself. and i guess the real reason is just that whether he should or he shouldnt, he wont help because he doesnt want to.

thank you - you really are helping me see im not crazy and do deserve better.

You could get lost trying to find out why someone acts a certain way (it's usually because he watched it growing up, and because it suits him nicely). Finding out why is really only a question the person themselves should be asking, but that's only if they conclude they want to change.

A better question is why you have become stuck in it, and what changes you can make.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 26/02/2025 10:28

Oh OP, you are so beaten down by years of abuse and overwork that you can’t really believe a better life is possible. But listen to everyone here who’s telling their stories of breaking free, rescuing themselves and DC.

I wouldn’t waste time trying to make him see your point of view or behave more reasonably. He’s like a slave-owner, perfectly happy, no reason to change anything.

Just get yourself and DC out. (No child should grow up seeing their mother used like this.) Take the useful advice PP are giving you from their own experience. Try to get a good lawyer — through recommendation from friends if possible.

Best of luck, OP. Stay strong for yourself and DC. Once you’ve pushed through the first difficult bits, life will be much easier and happier xx

Velvian · 26/02/2025 10:30

What us the point of him @heartbrokenlost ? What does he think he brings to the table?

EllBend · 26/02/2025 10:30

@heartbrokenlost good guys do exist! Enjoy your children, enjoy your freedom, the rest will come ❤️

Icanttakethisanymore · 26/02/2025 10:32

heartbrokenlost · 26/02/2025 08:44

Thank you! Hearing other stories really is helping me realise I am not alone, many have walked this path and that shows so can I.

DP will empty the bin, but categorically refuses to replace the bin bag afterwards because ‘inside job’ and so will happily pile rubbish next to it until I cave and put a bag in. Honestly it’d take 20 seconds to pop a fresh liner in!

OMG I am in an absolute RAGE reading this. This man would turn me into a monster.

Seriously though, what an absolute twat.

Icanttakethisanymore · 26/02/2025 10:38

I know it must be scary to leave but honestly, it is entirely clear to EVERYONE on this thread that your life would be better without this selfish manchild dragging you down.

Lilactimes · 26/02/2025 10:47

Dear @heartbrokenlost
i am sorry you are sad.
But please FIND YOUR ANGER and make plans to make your life better.
You sound lovely. Lean on the great advice on this thread. Speak to a solicitor - lots of them for the free consultation.

Listen to this song and make it your anthem!! Play on repeat and watch all those women in the audience!! This song is literally you!!
https://youtube.com/shorts/R0TyyN8tCfQ?si=EGrDiNORsfJWzktm

then listen to Beyonce “ I’m a Survivor” and “Independent Woman” sing and dance these songs with your kids around your house and laugh with them and feel the strength pour in!!
((this is what I did - total lone parent - easier than being with a “dud of a dad” - and this is what you have))
good luck @heartbrokenlost - come back here anytime for support xxxx

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