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Struggling with the constant tension between DH & DD

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alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 11:56

Regular mumsnetter, NC for this because, even for Mumsnet, it feels like a lot of personal info about my marriage and family life. I know that not everyone thinks it's a good idea to ask for personal advice from strangers but I've read a lot of sensible wisdom on here over the years and I'm posting because I'd like some objective views on the situation between DH & DD. It's really hard to speak to friends/family about this because I'd feel it was disloyal to DH to talk about my concerns behind his back with people in RL who have relationships with him. I'm not saying I've never done that - I've definitely overshared plenty of times, which I really regret now. I'm going to try hard to be balanced in how I explain the situation and I'd very much appreciate honest and compassionate responses because I'm finding the difficulties with DD & DH are really affecting my relationship with DH. It's going to be quite long because I'm trying not to drip-feed.

My oldest DC is 17. She has ADHD and is quite chaotic. She's pretty rubbish at helping out at home and needs a lot of cajoling to get her to do basic chores. She can be a bit unkind to DC2. Her mood is quite up and down and there are often daily dramas where she's lost something and totally freaks out or gets v wound up massively overthinking a text exchanges and needs talking down.

But, she is also brilliant fun, very observant about people, and can be really thoughtful and kind. She has a lovely, close-knit group of friends and has very good relationships with adults in her life generally - gets on well with teachers, other adult family members etc She goes out a bit i.e. not one of the cool kids but occasionally invited to parties, and has definitely experimented with alcohol a bit in the past year but has always stuck to curfews, will have one or two drinks but has never to our knowledge been drunk etc. Despite the chaos & missing of deadlines etc she does v well at school, excellent GCSE results, doing well at A-levels and has an extra-curricular interest (that will prob end up being her career) that she does at a national level.

The issue is this: DH has, for a very long time, seemed very down on her and critical of her. He describes her as being 'very negative' and 'uncurious', he feels she is selfish and unkind to DC2. He gets incredibly frustrated by her lack of organisation, the constant forgetting things and being late. He finds DC2 much easier to relate to, and feels I pander to DD and don't let her deal with the consequences of her own actions.

DD has told me that she feels nothing she ever does will be good enough for DH and that he always seems disappointed in her. I always counter this with how proud he is of her but she is obviously picking up on how he actually feels.

Discussions between me and DH about this often end in an argument because he feels I'm being defensive and I feel he's over-critical of DD who is not perfect and a standard teenager in lots of ways but also wonderful in lots of other ways.
DH also feels that I get overly emotional about things, that i'm defensive about any criticism and that he gets 'shouted down' a lot. I'm sure it's true that I'm defensive at times. I'm really trying hard not to be but partly it comes from feeling I need to defend myself and carve out boundaries because DH is a very strong character and always pushes firmly for what he thinks is the right way to do things. We had another chat about it all this morning and I did manage not to get upset or be defensive but it's left me feeling really sad.

A lot of what he sees as serious flaws in DD's character, I see as standard teen stuff that will pass. But I don't feel I can see the situation clearly any more. At times I feel absolutely furious with him for being so negative about her and not appreciating all the good things, and I worry a lot about the damage this could do to her self-esteem. But then at other times I think maybe I'm just blinded by love for my DC and not able to be realistic about her flaws and behaviour. Mostly though I'm just exhausted with being stuck between the two of them moaning about each other, and it's getting harder and harder to talk about any of the concerns I do have with DD (in the way parents do from time to time) because I'm worried it will just fuel his believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with her.

For context, I'd say I have really good relationships with both DC. They couldn't be more different but I love spending time with both of them, we have open chats and they tell me stuff about their lives and what is bothering them.

Sorry it's so long and a bit rambly. I'd really appreciate any thoughts and advice.

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LividBoop · 19/02/2025 12:01

Probably not what you want to hear, but I don’t think I could be with a man who didn’t love each of my children as much as I did.

Loopytiles · 19/02/2025 12:06

In what ways is she ‘unkind’ to DC2?

What does your DH want (you & he) to do to seek to address the behaviours he regards as problematic? What is he doing re his relationship with DD?

Concerns about behaviours like complaining a lot, not doing chores and treatment of DC2 seem reasonable. His criticism of DD as ‘uncurious’ seems judgmental, however.

suggesting to DD that her father is proud of her when she brought this up with you wasn’t helpful IMO: there is a problem between DD and her father, she tried to discuss this with you & your response wasn’t fully true & rather dismissive.

BeGiddyDog · 19/02/2025 12:08

I'm sorry to hear about this situation, it's really tough to deal with. Our family had a very similar dynamic - husband not really interested in eldest daughter, and treated her differently to our son (younger).
After many attempts to facilitate their relationship, I had to accept it was up to him to change the dynamic.
How he treated our daughter, directly affected how I felt about my husband, and ultimately contributed to the breakdown of our marriage. I could not stand by & observe her being treated that way and not do anything, otherwise I would be complicit.
If you are not in that situation it's difficult to understand how awful it is.
Sending hugs

Mrsttcno1 · 19/02/2025 12:09

It sounds to me like you don’t disagree with your husband’s assessment of the situation completely though? You agree she is unkind to your other child, you agree she is disorganised, you agree that there are daily dramas and needing to be “talked down” over messages, being late etc?

Loopytiles · 19/02/2025 12:11

I have a teen DC1 who usually doesn’t do basic chores, is late and often ignores and pushes away DC2. Has a MH issue and often seeks lots of parental time / input - the ‘talking down’ is familiar!

DH & I are usually (not always) in agreement about what to do next about the chores & try things out. In a practical sense.

We often disagree over the input/ways to help re MH & ‘teen dramas’ , which can occasionally be hard to distinguish, but again try to focus on the practical approaches to try.

The siblings bit is hard. We try to support DC2 & acknowledge their feelings about it whilst also not trying to ‘force’ the DCs relationship.

It’s not clear from your OP whether you - objectively - think your H treats your DD unfairly / worse than he treats DC2. If he does then that’s ‘on him’ and not OK IMO. We have friends where the father, IMO, obviously treats his eldest DC worse than their younger DC and clearly has a favourite too - seems to do with his own ‘baggage’ from childhood, but crappy parenting!

MyUmberSeal · 19/02/2025 12:14

I actually feel a bit sorry for your husband. Your daughter is pretty much an adult and you agree with much of what your husband says about her. It’s not unreasonable for him to get annoyed with her and/or frustrated with some of her behaviours. I do think men get a raw deal sometimes. In this situation they both need to do better. Don’t align yourself with either of them when they are butting heads, and try and stay objective. When your daughter has flown the nest, your husband will still be there, I think it’s important to remember that.

Dror · 19/02/2025 12:18

Is he her father?
(You mention being blinded by love for your kids, is your husband not?)

Itstoday · 19/02/2025 12:18

It sounds like a lot of what he doesn’t like about her are part of her ADHD which she cannot change.
i cannot imagine living in a home where someone lists my flaws ( either to me or to others) and of course it will be affecting her self esteem.
As a pp poster said, he needs to take responsibility for his relationship with his daughter, but it seems he wants her to be different rather than working with her to improve things.
I'm afraid I would struggle hugely with seeing
someone being so negative about my child and exposing them to this.

Cattreesea · 19/02/2025 12:24

Your daughter's behaviour is affected by her condition, ADHD. She can't just magically switch that off.

What have you and your partner done practically to help her with this: medication? counselling? additional support at school?

Your husband blaming your kid for something she has no control on is pretty shitty.

It is also likely that his negativity and criticism do not help her condition and make things worse.

I always think that the welfare of kids comes before any partner.

If your husband can't accept your daughter as she is and is trying to blame her for a disability/condition then I would really reconsider the relationship.

AmandaHoldensLips · 19/02/2025 12:24

He’s clearly disappointed with the person she has developed into. This is something that he might need to address and work on. Maybe with the guidance of a counsellor who specialises in family dynamics.

If he can learn to love and accept his daughter for who she is rather than who he wants her to be, then that would be a step in the right direction.

RebeccaRedhat · 19/02/2025 12:36

Similar situation here. My dd is 15 and is a bit quirky and not a typical teen as such. It's a really difficult place to be in for us. Ive tried to reason with him, ive tried talking, ive even tried ignoring the problem, but it hasn't worked and I get real arsey comments back, which lead to arguments or silent treatment. I'm sorry I don't know what to suggest, but keep being on your daughters side, she won't be this age and in this phase forever xx

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 19/02/2025 12:38

Kids with ADHD already struggle hugely. They know they are different, they experience judgement and criticism on a daily basis in the outside world, and they often feel deeply that they're not as 'good' as others.

Then add in teenage hormones, which can derail even the most neurotypical children.

In my experience, it's important as a parent of an ADHD child to accept their differences, be gently but firmly honest with them about avenues where they could improve (chores, being kind to sibling, having melt-downs), and consistently work with them as a nonjudgemental loving guide.

In my experience, kids like this learn to manage life well, the road is just more winding and longer. Patience and consistency is needed.

Your H sounds like he needs to read more about ADHD. Is he himself neurodivergent?

Notgivenuphope · 19/02/2025 12:38

She's pretty rubbish at helping out at home and needs a lot of cajoling to get her to do basic chores. She can be a bit unkind to DC2. Her mood is quite up and down and there are often daily dramas where she's lost something and totally freaks out or gets v wound up massively overthinking a text exchanges and needs talking down.

she sounds like bloody hard work!

Daisyvodka · 19/02/2025 12:42

While i do see that your daughters ADHD plays a massive element here, i would be interested in how 'selfish and unkind' towards your younger daughter manifests, as i can imagine it's incredibly difficult as a parent to watch your child be treated this way, even if it's by their sibling. A lot of parents sweep this under the rug. I can also see how again, unfortunately due to her ADHD her moods rule the house. She can't just get over it, but it must be horrible to live with for her AND the rest of you. I'm hoping posters with ADHD or with ADHD children can advise on a 'meeting in the middle' approach as while obviously your DD cannot help her disability, it is to her own long term benefit to develop coping strategies etc - and teenagers are still developing brains that need to learn how they behave impacts others, but with ADHD this obviously needs to be treated in different ways (but crucially not ignored). It's also a tricky age because obviously she is wrapped up in school and social and won't want to spend much more quality time with family that might strengthen their bond. How much does he know about ADHD in general, have you ended up being the one who 'manages' it and therefore knows the most about it?

PassMeTheRedbull · 19/02/2025 12:44

Would just like to say OP, your daughter sounds exactly like me, also have ADHD, and you sound like an amazing, understanding mother, well done on having her back, nobody criticises themself more than someone with ADHD, we don’t need others constantly on our backs aswell.

astl · 19/02/2025 12:44

@Notgivenuphope she actually sounds like a typical teen to me. Add ADHD into the mix and I'd say she's doing pretty well.
But this depends on what her unkind behaviour to dd2 entails?

Sorry, don't think you've mentioned but is your DH her biological dad? What about dd2?

ditzzy · 19/02/2025 12:45

Commenting to follow.

My DH is very much connected to DD1 but even though DD2 is only 5, he is already head to head with her on everything and accusing me of getting defensive about her behaviour (which is normal 5 year old behaviour, he’s just forgotten that DD1 was exactly the same the at 5 due to his own memory issues).

I’m hoping advice here will help me head this off before we hit teens

arethereanyleftatall · 19/02/2025 12:53

ADHD teenagers are very hard to parent so I can totally understand where your dh is coming from.

I also don't agree with people, including teenagers, being able to behave in an unkind way to others, because adhd.

As a parent, how are you supposed to address selfish behaviour if your child isn't aware they're being selfish, and it isnt permitted to tell them they're being selfish because they can't handle criticism?

alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 13:06

Just off an online meeting that overran. Reading through your messages and comments now - really appreciate all of you taking the time to post.

Quick response to a couple of questions:

  • DH is the biological father of both DC (sorry if OP was worded ambiguously)
  • DD does take medication for ADHD and gets some support from school, albeit not as much as we'd have liked. Incidentally I also have ADHD - diagnosed about a year after DD, which I should have mentioned in the OP because I inevitably have a better idea of what DD struggles with than DH

will read the rest of the posts now and respond properly

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sprigatito · 19/02/2025 13:14

I think posters focusing on your DD being "hard work" are missing the point. Yes, a teenager with ADHD is bloody hard work, and poor behaviour needs addressing firmly. OP isn't denying that, nor is she blind to her daughter's faults.

The problem is that in order to parent effectively with firm boundaries and guidance, you have to have a secure foundation - the child needs to trust you and know that you love them unconditionally and are correcting them from a place of love and concern. This relationship doesn't currently exist between the DD and DH, he is broadcasting dislike and rejection, so any attempt by him to exert parental authority is going to make her feel angry and insecure.

This is DH's failure and he needs to get help to understand why he relates so dysfunctionally to his own child and how he can start to rebuild a bond with her. If he doesn't, he will lose her.

ItGhoul · 19/02/2025 13:17

I was quite a lot like your DD, and I don’t have ADHD, which makes me think a lot of what you’re describing is very standard teen stuff! I think your DH sounds incredibly hard on your DD. Her flaws sound fairly minor and nobody is perfect.

alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 13:20

@LividBoop totally understand your response but I don’t think it’s a question of him not loving her as much, he says he just wants the best for her and is frustrated with her behaviour

@Loopytiles – by unkind, I mean that she doesn’t help out her sibling i.e. they’ll ask to borrow something and she’ll automatically say no even if it would cost her nothing to say yes. She’ll overreact to stuff her sibling does and they’ll fight about really stupid stuff – there will be doorslamming etc. There’s only 2 years between them. The flip side of this is the younger DC definitely needles her a bit, it’s not just a one-way street. So, while I think she can be a bit unkind or grumpy with her sibling, it seems to me to be pretty standard family dynamic stuff. I find it really hard to say whether DH treats them both the same. I get the impression he’s harder on DD but I just don’t know if I’m seeing it objectively.

Perhaps you’re right re saying DH is proud of her. I do think he is on some levels and I want her to know that but there just seems to be a lot that he is unhappy about.

@BeGiddyDog – it’s helpful to hear from someone who understands how hard this stuff is. I’m sorry the two of you weren’t able to work it out and appreciate you taking the time to post.

@MyUmberSeal – yes, it’s a very good point and I really am trying to keep it at the forefront of my mind. She is almost an adult but I also think he’s felt this way about her for a long time, it isn’t a new thing we've disagreed about this since she was small, so in a way it was always bound to end up this way. I do try really hard to not align myself with DD on it but honestly I think it’s the responsibility of a parent to try and build bridges while DC are still at home. And so I think him that needs to step up here and try to listen to her a bit more and understand things from her perspective – and also share how he feels about things. But instead he just constantly talks to me about how frustrated he is with her.

@Itstoday – that’s the nub of it, I want him to work with her to improve the things that he’s not happy with but at the moment it all just sits with me.

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Nn9011 · 19/02/2025 13:20

Having been your daughter in this situation whether he is right to be frustrated behind the scenes or not, how he is treating your daughter has undeniably probably already done harm and will impact her for the rest of her life. Girls with ADHD hear 20000 more negative messages in their childhood than their peers.
She needs you to step up and tell him to sort himself out or get out.

CagneyNYPD1 · 19/02/2025 13:22

I'm a mum to two teens who are really good kids. But they can also be pretty hard work at times because they are indeed teenagers. It comes with the territory.

What jumped out for me @alwaysanticipating is that you feel that your DH believes your DD has somehow "fundamentally wrong" with her. If he really does think like that then this is where the problem lies. And it is not your problem or DD's.

alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 13:23

Dror · 19/02/2025 12:18

Is he her father?
(You mention being blinded by love for your kids, is your husband not?)

Yes, sorry if that wasn't clear

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