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Struggling with the constant tension between DH & DD

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alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 11:56

Regular mumsnetter, NC for this because, even for Mumsnet, it feels like a lot of personal info about my marriage and family life. I know that not everyone thinks it's a good idea to ask for personal advice from strangers but I've read a lot of sensible wisdom on here over the years and I'm posting because I'd like some objective views on the situation between DH & DD. It's really hard to speak to friends/family about this because I'd feel it was disloyal to DH to talk about my concerns behind his back with people in RL who have relationships with him. I'm not saying I've never done that - I've definitely overshared plenty of times, which I really regret now. I'm going to try hard to be balanced in how I explain the situation and I'd very much appreciate honest and compassionate responses because I'm finding the difficulties with DD & DH are really affecting my relationship with DH. It's going to be quite long because I'm trying not to drip-feed.

My oldest DC is 17. She has ADHD and is quite chaotic. She's pretty rubbish at helping out at home and needs a lot of cajoling to get her to do basic chores. She can be a bit unkind to DC2. Her mood is quite up and down and there are often daily dramas where she's lost something and totally freaks out or gets v wound up massively overthinking a text exchanges and needs talking down.

But, she is also brilliant fun, very observant about people, and can be really thoughtful and kind. She has a lovely, close-knit group of friends and has very good relationships with adults in her life generally - gets on well with teachers, other adult family members etc She goes out a bit i.e. not one of the cool kids but occasionally invited to parties, and has definitely experimented with alcohol a bit in the past year but has always stuck to curfews, will have one or two drinks but has never to our knowledge been drunk etc. Despite the chaos & missing of deadlines etc she does v well at school, excellent GCSE results, doing well at A-levels and has an extra-curricular interest (that will prob end up being her career) that she does at a national level.

The issue is this: DH has, for a very long time, seemed very down on her and critical of her. He describes her as being 'very negative' and 'uncurious', he feels she is selfish and unkind to DC2. He gets incredibly frustrated by her lack of organisation, the constant forgetting things and being late. He finds DC2 much easier to relate to, and feels I pander to DD and don't let her deal with the consequences of her own actions.

DD has told me that she feels nothing she ever does will be good enough for DH and that he always seems disappointed in her. I always counter this with how proud he is of her but she is obviously picking up on how he actually feels.

Discussions between me and DH about this often end in an argument because he feels I'm being defensive and I feel he's over-critical of DD who is not perfect and a standard teenager in lots of ways but also wonderful in lots of other ways.
DH also feels that I get overly emotional about things, that i'm defensive about any criticism and that he gets 'shouted down' a lot. I'm sure it's true that I'm defensive at times. I'm really trying hard not to be but partly it comes from feeling I need to defend myself and carve out boundaries because DH is a very strong character and always pushes firmly for what he thinks is the right way to do things. We had another chat about it all this morning and I did manage not to get upset or be defensive but it's left me feeling really sad.

A lot of what he sees as serious flaws in DD's character, I see as standard teen stuff that will pass. But I don't feel I can see the situation clearly any more. At times I feel absolutely furious with him for being so negative about her and not appreciating all the good things, and I worry a lot about the damage this could do to her self-esteem. But then at other times I think maybe I'm just blinded by love for my DC and not able to be realistic about her flaws and behaviour. Mostly though I'm just exhausted with being stuck between the two of them moaning about each other, and it's getting harder and harder to talk about any of the concerns I do have with DD (in the way parents do from time to time) because I'm worried it will just fuel his believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with her.

For context, I'd say I have really good relationships with both DC. They couldn't be more different but I love spending time with both of them, we have open chats and they tell me stuff about their lives and what is bothering them.

Sorry it's so long and a bit rambly. I'd really appreciate any thoughts and advice.

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custardpyjamas · 19/02/2025 14:17

He's worried about her, just like you are really, but he shows it differently, you accept her behaviour and hope/think she will grow out of it, he thinks she won't and it needs to be 'fixed'. You do need some sort of united front, she shouldn't be mean to DC2 so you agree on that, she really does need to get organised, can you set up routines, check lists, etc, jointly to try to help her? You're not really that far apart in your opinions in many ways it's just the way you want to tackle it (or not).

HelmholtzWatson · 19/02/2025 14:23

What would your ideal resolution be? It sounds like you accept that DD displays behaviour that is not acceptable. it therefore seems perfectly reasonable for one parent to point this out, and if you are reluctant then this responsibility does fall on your DH.

Easipeelerie · 19/02/2025 14:26

How does he show his frustration in his interactions with her?

Sunat45degrees · 19/02/2025 14:28

CagneyNYPD1 · 19/02/2025 13:22

I'm a mum to two teens who are really good kids. But they can also be pretty hard work at times because they are indeed teenagers. It comes with the territory.

What jumped out for me @alwaysanticipating is that you feel that your DH believes your DD has somehow "fundamentally wrong" with her. If he really does think like that then this is where the problem lies. And it is not your problem or DD's.

I think this is really important. I have a ds with adhd and it can br so frustrating. What I am good at, and dh is trying (but doesn't come naturally) is to accept this and work with ds to solve foe the challenges. It sounds like your dh feels she should jist "do better" without realising the need to help her navigate this. And to give her time.

And as others have said, adhd children get so much negative feedback that finding ways to highlight the positive is hugely nb.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 19/02/2025 14:28

ThriveIn2025 · 19/02/2025 13:50

I mean, I’ll defend my child with ADHD until there is no breath left in my body… this includes from DH.
Like others have said, life is so much harder for this child and I’m sure they are completely aware of their struggles (own worst critic springs to mind).
In your shoes I’d keep doing what you are doing and let DH worry about his relationship with her. I wouldn’t let anything damage my relationship with them.

I agree with this. I also had to actively counter my H's damaging behaviors with our children.

His parents, especially his father, constantly mocked H and his siblings. Humiliation and minatory 'jokes' were the order of the day. H absolutely hated it - but started doing it to our kids too. I saw it plain as day when one day my eldest was 3 and he clicked his fingers at her like she was a dog when telling her to tidy up her toys. It was a contemptuous act and I was immediately reminded of FIL.

I took H aside and said I would never accept such behavior towards our children.

He understood. In fact, he was shocked at himself, felt bad about it, and apologised to our daughter. But he kept doing things like this. Each time I would address it, sometimes not very patiently. He would always see my point and apologize to the child involved. It was really frustrating for a while. Even after he learned to bite his tongue, his irritation and dismissive attitude (especially with our most difficult child) were palpable to the children and me. If he hadn't been genuinely sorry every time I tackled yet another incident, I would have left him, because someone who treats his children with condescension and disregard (like FIL) is not a safe parent.

And my H even agreed that would be the right thing to do, because he knew how his parents fundamentally impacted his confidence and likely were responsible for the lifelong anxiety and feelings of low self-worth that he's struggled with his whole life.

Our children are now fully grown or older teenagers. There hasn't been an incident for several years now. The kids feel safe, and loved and accepted by their father. They respect him and appreciate him, all three have really rich personal relationships with him. And due to the frequent communication around this issue, they have really great boundaries.

OP, your H's rigidity and dislike of DD are really problematic. You're right to be concerned. DD is still developing, she shouldn't go out into the world feeling that she's unlovable and unacceptable to her father. Have you considered family counseling with someone who specializes in ADHD and ASD?

Itstoday · 19/02/2025 14:32

alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 13:53

yes, I can relate to this as well. And I have said these things to DH but I just don't think they hit home. I think he feels I"m just making excuses for her.

He needs to get his head around the fact that they are not excuses for her behaviour they are reasons. And this works both ways - as she matures she will have some control over how she responds to things and how she manages the way that her adhd affects her functioning, but this must come from a place of pride and empowerment, not shame and blame.

GoldBeautifulHeart · 19/02/2025 14:42

Hello :-)
Can you see if there is a parent/ adults with adhd support group in your area? We have one that is a charity and they help a lot. They have peerage group sessions and parental courses. All kinds of things to help with ND related matters. I believe learning to work with her adhd rather than criticism from her dad will have much more beneficial rewards.

I find it hard as an adult with adhd to do chores so it must be even harder for a teen with all those hormones running around. Her being unkind to her sibling is not on though.

When all an adhd person hear is criticism for things they cannot help, it just makes us crumble. Who is motivated to do things when they are constantly criticised? I mean would you?

ADHD works on reward response. And there is 2 times in our brain. Now and later. We work on urgency which is why we do things near deadlines.

Using reminders in calendars help.

I also have this cute little app called finch your daughter might enjoy. You can set goals on it with your own reminders and it is very positive. It was developed with adhd in mind, I believe.

Body doubling and music can help chores be done.

There are many content creators with adhd who give tips for adhd management. I truly suggest looking those up too.

Adhd love. Adhd chatter podcast. There are many out there.

This world is hard enough for us and we get so much negativity because we are expected to do stuff the normal way and it doesn't work with us. We have to find a way that works for us and you can help your daughter with that.

Judge a fish on it's ability to ride a bike and it will forever believe it is stupid.

alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 14:43

HelmholtzWatson · 19/02/2025 14:23

What would your ideal resolution be? It sounds like you accept that DD displays behaviour that is not acceptable. it therefore seems perfectly reasonable for one parent to point this out, and if you are reluctant then this responsibility does fall on your DH.

I don't know where you've got the idea that I'm reluctant to 'point out' unreasonable behaviour in DD. As I've said in earlier posts, I pull her up on stuff regularly and try to find ways to help her be more reliable. But I do also want to make sure we are not just 'at her' the whole time and recognise all the things she is doing right as well. DH doesn't address the behaviours at the moment, he just tells me his concerns about all the things he feels DD is getting wrong. My ideal resolution would be for him to find ways to help her improve her executive function, stick to a timetable, get chores done etc and also celebrate all the things that are good about her. At the moment it is all down to me

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alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 14:45

@LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta
@Itstoday
@Sunat45degrees

thanks for your thoughtful, constructive posts - so helpful

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alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 14:47

GoldBeautifulHeart · 19/02/2025 14:42

Hello :-)
Can you see if there is a parent/ adults with adhd support group in your area? We have one that is a charity and they help a lot. They have peerage group sessions and parental courses. All kinds of things to help with ND related matters. I believe learning to work with her adhd rather than criticism from her dad will have much more beneficial rewards.

I find it hard as an adult with adhd to do chores so it must be even harder for a teen with all those hormones running around. Her being unkind to her sibling is not on though.

When all an adhd person hear is criticism for things they cannot help, it just makes us crumble. Who is motivated to do things when they are constantly criticised? I mean would you?

ADHD works on reward response. And there is 2 times in our brain. Now and later. We work on urgency which is why we do things near deadlines.

Using reminders in calendars help.

I also have this cute little app called finch your daughter might enjoy. You can set goals on it with your own reminders and it is very positive. It was developed with adhd in mind, I believe.

Body doubling and music can help chores be done.

There are many content creators with adhd who give tips for adhd management. I truly suggest looking those up too.

Adhd love. Adhd chatter podcast. There are many out there.

This world is hard enough for us and we get so much negativity because we are expected to do stuff the normal way and it doesn't work with us. We have to find a way that works for us and you can help your daughter with that.

Judge a fish on it's ability to ride a bike and it will forever believe it is stupid.

Edited

Lots of great ideas in here, thank you. And I will check out 'finch' for me and for her.

The thing I find with ADHD is something can work for a short time but then very quickly doesn't and you have to change it all up again. So, I've tried so many different strategies with her, and for myself - timers, calendars, reminders etc but they've all been so short-lived.

I think the support group idea is a really good one

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ToBeOrNotToBee · 19/02/2025 14:49

I feel like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
You clearly love your DC dearly, and also see your husband isn't exactly being unreasonable in his assessment either.

I think this is the ideal scenario for a bit of family therapy to really get someone objective to the situation to talk through things.

If therapy isn't doable for whatever reason, have a look at this card 'game'. They are a prompt cards that you can use 1 on 1 or with more than one and they really do trigger some important, heartfelt discussions https://theskindeep.co.uk/products/the-and-family-edition

alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 14:51

ToBeOrNotToBee · 19/02/2025 14:49

I feel like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
You clearly love your DC dearly, and also see your husband isn't exactly being unreasonable in his assessment either.

I think this is the ideal scenario for a bit of family therapy to really get someone objective to the situation to talk through things.

If therapy isn't doable for whatever reason, have a look at this card 'game'. They are a prompt cards that you can use 1 on 1 or with more than one and they really do trigger some important, heartfelt discussions https://theskindeep.co.uk/products/the-and-family-edition

Those cards look brilliant. Trying to imagine how DH & DC will respond to my presenting them!

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alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 14:51

Thanks so much to everyone who has taken the time to post. I feel I've got more to work with now and am going to go to DH with some tangible ideas about what he can do to work with me to support DD rather than just finding fault.

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alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 14:53

And apologies to anyone I haven't answered directly - struggled to keep up with the responses but I'll be sure to read all of them

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prelovedusername · 19/02/2025 14:55

You are clearly a thoughtful person, OP, even taking time to address individual posters. I’m sure you will find a way to deal with this.

Goldbar · 19/02/2025 14:56

He's her parent. He needs to step up and be her cheerleader as well as her critic.

Alongside telling her 10 times a day what she is doing wrong, he should also tell her 10 times a day what she is doing right.

outerspacepotato · 19/02/2025 15:04

First, don't lie to your daughter. Her dad isn't proud of her, he's got serious issues with her and it's so obvious that even she sees it. His attitude towards her is alienating.

He feels you pander to her.

You're in the middle and it's not working for anyone.

Your husband is the adult here. It sounds like he doesn't "get" neurodivergency and has zero patience or empathy for her struggle. That she's doing well in school and has a good friend group is fantastic. There are behavioural issues, yes. She's a teen with ND. He thinks there is something "wrong" with her fundamentally. Does he not get how much worse things could be and how his terrible attitude towards her could make things so much worse? Hectoring and overbearing criticism from him are not going to help her behaviours one bit.

I think he needs some education in neurodivergency. His "strong character" and his favoritism are likely contributing to some of the behavioural issues he finds so taxing.

What would you and he think about addressing this in therapy? This is having a profound effect on your marriage.

GoldBeautifulHeart · 19/02/2025 15:07

alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 14:47

Lots of great ideas in here, thank you. And I will check out 'finch' for me and for her.

The thing I find with ADHD is something can work for a short time but then very quickly doesn't and you have to change it all up again. So, I've tried so many different strategies with her, and for myself - timers, calendars, reminders etc but they've all been so short-lived.

I think the support group idea is a really good one

Oh you're welcome! Yes things can be short lived, that's why I need dopamine inducing things to get me motivated. I had one content creator say adhd is like expecting a car to run on empty, you can't expect it to go with no fuel in it.

Same for our brains, we struggle without the dopamine. Music is my dopamine stimulator. I listen to heavy house, electronica any fast music that gets me motivated. This and also recognising when to rest helps too.

It helps me concentrate at work too. I have to stare at a screen for 8 hours and that is difficult.

I got a late diagnosis so I'm learning all this stuff in my late 30s.

Have a look at: https://www.instagram.com/mattraekelboom?igsh=MW9lMDNrbnJ2ZW5pYQ==

He does some really good tips and explains why our brains work the way they do.

These 3 are great too:

https://www.instagram.com/adhdlove?igsh=MWZ0ankxZGNwd3I4dA==

https://www.instagram.com/adhdchatterpodcast?igsh=MTlrazlzdGdmNzY1eA==

https://www.instagram.com/theminiadhdcoach?igsh=MWc0dDg0ZDA2MzNmNw==

Good luck to you!

ThatEllie · 19/02/2025 15:09

alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 13:58

To give some examples of what I describe as unkindness: DC2 will want to borrow something that belongs to neither of them e.g. me or DH, mostly that will be appealing because DD has had use of that item and has it in their room. DD will say 'no, i'm using that', even is she isn't. Sibling will then say 'well can I use your xx instead then' and the answer will be categorically no. This will escalate into a massive argument and I'll have to intervene, taking the item out of circulation altogether. On a different day, when they haven't already been arguing DD might say yes and it'd all be fine but often her default setting is not to concede anything to her sibling even if it would cost her nothing to say yes. I don't know if calling that unkindness is fair but that's how DH sees it.

Why are you concealing the sex of your younger child with all of the DC/sibling/they wording? Son or daughter? I think it’s relevant regarding the dynamics of the three (children and husband).

alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 15:09

@outerspacepotato thanks for your post. I don't feel I lied to her. There are definitely things he's proud of about her and I think it's really important that she knows that. But you're correct that there are serious issues and she sees them.

Just this morning I said the words to him 'but you're the adult'. And I agree that he doesnt get neurodivergence, which is ironic because, as I said upthread, I firmly believe he has ASD.

I have suggested therapy in the past and he hasn't been receptive to it. Having read the responses to my post, it's one of the things I'll be suggesting alongside some education about neurodivergence and some time on his own with DD.

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alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 15:12

ThatEllie · 19/02/2025 15:09

Why are you concealing the sex of your younger child with all of the DC/sibling/they wording? Son or daughter? I think it’s relevant regarding the dynamics of the three (children and husband).

It's a fair point. I was trying not to be too outing. Probably a bit paranoid on my part but I feel I've shared such personal things about our family and marriage that I don't want to make our family too identifiable because I know quite a few people in RL who post on / browse MN

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alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 15:21

GoldBeautifulHeart · 19/02/2025 15:07

Oh you're welcome! Yes things can be short lived, that's why I need dopamine inducing things to get me motivated. I had one content creator say adhd is like expecting a car to run on empty, you can't expect it to go with no fuel in it.

Same for our brains, we struggle without the dopamine. Music is my dopamine stimulator. I listen to heavy house, electronica any fast music that gets me motivated. This and also recognising when to rest helps too.

It helps me concentrate at work too. I have to stare at a screen for 8 hours and that is difficult.

I got a late diagnosis so I'm learning all this stuff in my late 30s.

Have a look at: https://www.instagram.com/mattraekelboom?igsh=MW9lMDNrbnJ2ZW5pYQ==

He does some really good tips and explains why our brains work the way they do.

These 3 are great too:

https://www.instagram.com/adhdlove?igsh=MWZ0ankxZGNwd3I4dA==

https://www.instagram.com/adhdchatterpodcast?igsh=MTlrazlzdGdmNzY1eA==

https://www.instagram.com/theminiadhdcoach?igsh=MWc0dDg0ZDA2MzNmNw==

Good luck to you!

Edited

Thank you - really appreciate it. Music can be really helpful to me too and DD is obsessed with it!!

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HelmholtzWatson · 19/02/2025 15:22

alwaysanticipating · 19/02/2025 14:43

I don't know where you've got the idea that I'm reluctant to 'point out' unreasonable behaviour in DD. As I've said in earlier posts, I pull her up on stuff regularly and try to find ways to help her be more reliable. But I do also want to make sure we are not just 'at her' the whole time and recognise all the things she is doing right as well. DH doesn't address the behaviours at the moment, he just tells me his concerns about all the things he feels DD is getting wrong. My ideal resolution would be for him to find ways to help her improve her executive function, stick to a timetable, get chores done etc and also celebrate all the things that are good about her. At the moment it is all down to me

I said "IF you are reluctant", not that you were reluctant.

As far as improving things "executive function", then teenagers just are not at that level of cognitive maturity. It is nearly always about rewards and punishments as for the most part that is what they understand and respond to.

So, as long as she is being rewarded when she does things well, and punished when she doesn't, I don't see the issue with who does what and when. Maybe your way is better, and maybe his way is. However, the reality is no one can see into the future and it sounds like you are both acting in good faith and doing what you feel is best from your own individual perspectives.

outerspacepotato · 19/02/2025 15:33

It sounds like he has an authoritarian parenting style and I've found flexibility works better when ND is involved.

If he doesn't come around re therapy, I would suggest that you go for a bit with your oldest. My youngest really benefitted from therapy.

I think your husband needs to realize that sometimes when a child realizes that nothing they do is good enough for a parent, they quit trying.

As for the borrowing, if it's yours or your husband's, it gets returned when either kid is done using it. If older's item, she can say no. If younger's, they can say no.

thismummydrinksgin · 19/02/2025 15:35

There's a bit of this dynamic in our house, to be honest I've not got involved if I can help it. I found that it was causing arguments as it sort of became me against him . Sometimes I can't resist but I have accepted I can't control his behaviour, reminded him to be kind and let things play out a bit. Sometimes he's right and he doesn't deal with it how I do but that's on him to decide z