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Pressured by new man (TW: sa?)

126 replies

Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 07:04

Yesterday I went round to the house of a man I’ve been seeing so that we could spend some time together. I’ve known him a long time and always thought he was a good man. It was clear before I went round that I wasn’t going to be having sex with him and that only kissing was on the cards. He said he was happy with that and respected my decision.

Our meet up initially went well- I won’t go into all the details of what went on as it would make this too long- however, I left his house yesterday feeling unsettled, a feeling that grew over the evening, and I’ve woken this morning feeling very upset.

There were a number of things that are bothering me:

Whilst kissing he kept getting his penis out and asking me to kiss it. I said no, he said ok, and then minutes later he’d be saying it again. This happened repeatedly (5-10 times) during the couple of hours we were together. Even though I didn’t do it, I felt very pressured to give him oral sex.

Whilst we were kissing he kept trying to put his hand inside my knickers. I kept saying no and stop, and pushing his hand away with my hand. At one point he grabbed my hand and held it tightly so that I couldn’t stop him from putting his fingers inside me. He was so rough that I’m now swollen between my legs and I have period type crampy pain across my lower body and lower back.

We laid down together kissing, with him on top. Both wearing clothes. He got his penis out and pushed it against my knickers and asked if he could pull my knickers to one side and hold himself against my vagina. I said no and again he tried to just do it. I said no again and he kept trying to do it. I said stop repeatedly and tried to stop him with my hand and again he grabbed my hand to prevent me from stopping him. He then forced his penis quickly inside me- I wasn’t expecting it or lubricated enough and it caused me to cry out in shock. He withdrew immediately and made a joke out of it and said it didn't count because he only entered me briefly. He said he just wanted to know what it felt like being inside me.

Anyway, as I drove home I felt unsettled as he has been so lovely, kind and caring outside of this incident. I spoke to him on the phone last night about it and said I was upset and explained why. He got very upset and apologetic, but then said that saying no at a time when you’re both sexually aroused isn’t the same as saying no before you initiate sexual contact. I disagreed with him and he seemed confused about where I was coming from. I said I’d been clear before we met and during our time together and he’d ignored that. He also said I’d been giving mixed messages because I was kissing him and he knew I wanted to have sex with him. I said again that I’d made it clear before we met what I wasn’t going to be doing and I was also clear during our time together as I kept saying no and stop, and pushing his hand away.

Anyway, we cleared the air last night and he felt bad and kept apologising and saying he’d never do anything to hurt me. However, I slept really badly last night and I woke at 5am today really upset about yesterday. But I’m not sure if I’m overreacting. He kept making jokes about how much I wanted him and he could tell I wanted to have sex with him, and it was what we’d both wanted. And now I’m thinking I’ve just messed up and shouldn’t have muddied the waters by being alone with him or kissing him. Or I should have just left when he first started pressuring me. I knew I was uncomfortable but yet I stayed.

My head is a mess now and I feel terrible because of yesterday, and terrible that I’ve upset him. But I’m also upset that he kept ignoring what I was saying and pressuring me, plus he penetrated me without my permission and without wearing a condom or knowing whether I was on birth control.

The whole thing seems a mess and I can’t think straight. I feel I’ve done something wrong and now he’s upset as well.

OP posts:
NorthernGirl1981 · 14/02/2025 15:58

I cannot believe what I have just read.
I feel speechless.

He’s a monster and a danger to women. Don’t, ever, ever see him again.

I’m so sorry you went through this. It is absolutely terrifying to think there are men who act like this and think it’s ok because they can then downplay it to avoid the consequences.

He needs reporting.

AmusedOpalShaker · 14/02/2025 16:16

You know what he is, and what he has done to you.

I’ve been in the same boat, please don’t fall for the fake tears and apologies, report him and never allow yourself to be near him again.

You made yourself so clear to him multiple times, both before and during - none of this is your fault at all. He is an abusive piece of shit and needs reporting - please don’t get pulled back in by a fake sorry.

Cry and grieve over this, but don’t let him get away with it.

Keep strong xx

DorothyWasRightTho · 14/02/2025 17:15

I’m really sorry this happened to you OP. If you are not sure about reporting, you can contact your local sexual assault referral centre - just google your area plus SARC. They can advise on support but also take forensic evidence which can usually be stored for quite a long time. They recommend going as soon as possible after something like this has happened. You could just give them a call and ask what they can offer. Sending hugs

frankiesgrace · 14/02/2025 17:15

I'm so sorry this happened to you. This was almost identical to how my now ex boyfriend would be with me with regards to sex, always pushing boundaries and overstepping the mark when I had told him no. (his name didn't start with the letter H did it?!)

The last time we were intimate together he did something that I had always been a firm "no" on... I wish I had your strength to have brought it up with him the way you did.

Take care of you and keep this man out of your life x

Flozle · 14/02/2025 20:13

theallotmentqueen · 14/02/2025 15:07

Since he penetrated you, this is rape I'm sorry to say. You did absolutely NOTHING wrong - you were incredibly clear in communicating, both before and during. There's no way in hell he can write this off as a 'micommunication'. For context, there's a really good acronym I like to use when thinking about consent. It's a bit clunky I know, but is useful when trying to sort out how and why what he did was wrong. Consent should be

F - Freely given. So without any kind of pressure/coercion. So him asking you to kiss his penis repeatedly is an example of coercion because you had already said 'no', so he was still putting pressure on you.

R - Reversible. You are able to change your mind at any time. So for example, even if he genuinely believed that by kissing you had given consent to sex, you saying 'no' is you clearly withdrawing consent. Consent isn't a blanket 'yes' at the start - it has to be constantly negotiated.

I - Informed. E.g. you should tell someone if you have an STD and are going to sleep with them, as they might not consent to the risk of being exposed to the STD - they need to consent to that. Another example might be only consenting to sex if the person is wearing a condom, and then they secretly take it off.

E - Enthusiastic! You don't have to be leaping around for joy, but you have to give a clear and affimative 'yes'. This can be done both verbally (yes!) and through body language (leaning in, reciprocal action, etc).

S - Specific. E.g. if I consent to kissing someone, that doesn't mean I consent to them touching my genitals - they have to get consent for that.

As you can see, this man has broken ALL of the consent 'rules'.

F - He didn't even ASK for consent, let alone see if it was freely given

R - you said 'no' multiple times, he didn't listen.

I - he entered you without a condom (plus the point is moot as you didn't consent in the first place)

E - saying 'no' multiple times is very clearly not enthusiastic.

S - His claim that you were kissing him and therefore this means that you wanted to have sex with him is bullshit. You consented to kissing him and that's IT, that absolutely doesn't mean you gave consent to anything else. You didn't 'lead him on', he deliberately and callously overrode your boundaries.

I'm really sorry that this happened to you. There are a number of paths you can take from here.

  1. Police - you might want to consider reporting this. See if you can get written evidence (e.g. in a text) of him admitting to penetrating and touching you without your consent. This could be done in the form of you asking him for a proper apology/asking to clarify what occurred.
  2. If you don't want to go police route which I do understand as it can be long and tricky, you should still find help for yourself. A lot of SA/rape charities give counselling and other forms of support to survivors for free, and it's very good - I know, because I've had this counselling myself.

I am so very sorry that this happened to you.

Excellent post

Catoo · 14/02/2025 20:29

What a piece of shit that man is.

Please go to a doctor and get checked out especially as you have those cramps symptoms and he was rough. You could be developing an infection. Obviously also get STD checks.

You could also call the rape crisis line who can advise. Or find your local sexual assault referral centre (SARC).

I’m sorry this happened.
💐

ClairDeLaLune · 14/02/2025 23:40

theallotmentqueen · 14/02/2025 15:07

Since he penetrated you, this is rape I'm sorry to say. You did absolutely NOTHING wrong - you were incredibly clear in communicating, both before and during. There's no way in hell he can write this off as a 'micommunication'. For context, there's a really good acronym I like to use when thinking about consent. It's a bit clunky I know, but is useful when trying to sort out how and why what he did was wrong. Consent should be

F - Freely given. So without any kind of pressure/coercion. So him asking you to kiss his penis repeatedly is an example of coercion because you had already said 'no', so he was still putting pressure on you.

R - Reversible. You are able to change your mind at any time. So for example, even if he genuinely believed that by kissing you had given consent to sex, you saying 'no' is you clearly withdrawing consent. Consent isn't a blanket 'yes' at the start - it has to be constantly negotiated.

I - Informed. E.g. you should tell someone if you have an STD and are going to sleep with them, as they might not consent to the risk of being exposed to the STD - they need to consent to that. Another example might be only consenting to sex if the person is wearing a condom, and then they secretly take it off.

E - Enthusiastic! You don't have to be leaping around for joy, but you have to give a clear and affimative 'yes'. This can be done both verbally (yes!) and through body language (leaning in, reciprocal action, etc).

S - Specific. E.g. if I consent to kissing someone, that doesn't mean I consent to them touching my genitals - they have to get consent for that.

As you can see, this man has broken ALL of the consent 'rules'.

F - He didn't even ASK for consent, let alone see if it was freely given

R - you said 'no' multiple times, he didn't listen.

I - he entered you without a condom (plus the point is moot as you didn't consent in the first place)

E - saying 'no' multiple times is very clearly not enthusiastic.

S - His claim that you were kissing him and therefore this means that you wanted to have sex with him is bullshit. You consented to kissing him and that's IT, that absolutely doesn't mean you gave consent to anything else. You didn't 'lead him on', he deliberately and callously overrode your boundaries.

I'm really sorry that this happened to you. There are a number of paths you can take from here.

  1. Police - you might want to consider reporting this. See if you can get written evidence (e.g. in a text) of him admitting to penetrating and touching you without your consent. This could be done in the form of you asking him for a proper apology/asking to clarify what occurred.
  2. If you don't want to go police route which I do understand as it can be long and tricky, you should still find help for yourself. A lot of SA/rape charities give counselling and other forms of support to survivors for free, and it's very good - I know, because I've had this counselling myself.

I am so very sorry that this happened to you.

Brilliant post @theallotmentqueen this should be pinned to the top of the Mumsnet site forever.

SnowFrogJelly · 14/02/2025 23:47

This sounds awful please don't see this man again, he assaulted you

fatphalange · 15/02/2025 16:19

He is fucking dangerous. I'm so mad reading about what he's done and how he's acting unhinged afterwards! I'm sorry Flowers

SchrodingersTwat2 · 15/02/2025 16:26

I'm sorry to hear this, OP.

Please go to the police or to see a GP.

Kittylechat · 15/02/2025 20:09

Thank you again for all your posts. I really appreciate it. I feel strangely calm about the whole thing so I don't know if that means that at some point I'm going to crack, or get a raging anger or what. But for now I have clarity and I feel strong. I've taken the morning after pill and will go to the drs and about std tests and to get physically checked out as I've noticed I also have a nasty cut around the entrance to my vagina.

I'm still undecided about reporting or not, as it seems a daunting prospect to have to verbalise to a stranger what he did, but after talking to my friend I am swaying heavily towards reporting it, especially as I have a conversation between us on my phone where he doesn't necessarily admit what he did but he's not denying my accusations.

Thanks again everyone.

OP posts:
Joulesdog · 15/02/2025 20:40

He raped you

JMSA · 15/02/2025 20:42

I have sat on the jury for a rape trial. Literally just this week past. It now follows that I'm a bit of an expert on sexual assault, sexual assault by penetration and rape.
OP, I'm so sorry, but the bastard RAPED you Flowers

BodyKeepingScore · 15/02/2025 20:46

Op that sounds truly awful. And it's not surprising that you're feeling as conflicted as you are.

Please know that what this man did was NOT acceptable. He penetrated you without your consent. That is rape. Irrespective of whether it was 5 seconds or 5 hours.

I would report him to the police

JMSA · 15/02/2025 20:50

Kittylechat · 15/02/2025 20:09

Thank you again for all your posts. I really appreciate it. I feel strangely calm about the whole thing so I don't know if that means that at some point I'm going to crack, or get a raging anger or what. But for now I have clarity and I feel strong. I've taken the morning after pill and will go to the drs and about std tests and to get physically checked out as I've noticed I also have a nasty cut around the entrance to my vagina.

I'm still undecided about reporting or not, as it seems a daunting prospect to have to verbalise to a stranger what he did, but after talking to my friend I am swaying heavily towards reporting it, especially as I have a conversation between us on my phone where he doesn't necessarily admit what he did but he's not denying my accusations.

Thanks again everyone.

Please do report it. You may not even be the first (I won't add 'or the last', as I don't want to put you under pressure!).
He was even worse than the accused at the trial.

Comtesse · 15/02/2025 20:51

Oh love. I can’t believe he’s injured you. I’m so sorry Flowers

JMSA · 15/02/2025 20:55

And please, please know that you did absolutely nothing wrong. This is 100% NOT on you x

AcquadiP · 15/02/2025 21:01

" Saying no at a time when you’re both sexually aroused isn’t the same as saying no before you initiate sexual contact."

BULLSHIT. No or Stop mean No or Stop at ANY time during sexual contact.

I'm sorry but that was rape.

And I'm sure he has been extremely apologetic - he's trying to prevent you from reporting him. It's your choice as to whether you report him or not but please don't be alone with him ever again. Based on what you've described, this is habitual behaviour on his part.

NotAScoobyDoo2 · 15/02/2025 21:09

Kittylechat · 15/02/2025 20:09

Thank you again for all your posts. I really appreciate it. I feel strangely calm about the whole thing so I don't know if that means that at some point I'm going to crack, or get a raging anger or what. But for now I have clarity and I feel strong. I've taken the morning after pill and will go to the drs and about std tests and to get physically checked out as I've noticed I also have a nasty cut around the entrance to my vagina.

I'm still undecided about reporting or not, as it seems a daunting prospect to have to verbalise to a stranger what he did, but after talking to my friend I am swaying heavily towards reporting it, especially as I have a conversation between us on my phone where he doesn't necessarily admit what he did but he's not denying my accusations.

Thanks again everyone.

Just read this post - you might be feeling calm now but that doesn't mean you've processed it or are even nearly there. From someone that's experienced it, you'll have good periods and bad periods and everything in between.

Accepting that you're not going to be right for a while and that you need support is probably the best thing you can do for yourself. Don't be afraid to take time off and look after yourself.

Sending you lots of hugs (and even then it should only be if you want it) x

Justmeagain12 · 15/02/2025 21:14

I am so sorry this was done to you. No wonder you were upset and hurt. You were sexually assaulted and raped. Please report it to the police. Even if you cannot prove it he will be queried by the police and it will give him a strong signal that that is not acceptable and they will keep a record for Clare's law should any future partners request information on him. Stay safe from him, never be alone with him again.

Catoo · 15/02/2025 22:28

Kittylechat · 15/02/2025 20:09

Thank you again for all your posts. I really appreciate it. I feel strangely calm about the whole thing so I don't know if that means that at some point I'm going to crack, or get a raging anger or what. But for now I have clarity and I feel strong. I've taken the morning after pill and will go to the drs and about std tests and to get physically checked out as I've noticed I also have a nasty cut around the entrance to my vagina.

I'm still undecided about reporting or not, as it seems a daunting prospect to have to verbalise to a stranger what he did, but after talking to my friend I am swaying heavily towards reporting it, especially as I have a conversation between us on my phone where he doesn't necessarily admit what he did but he's not denying my accusations.

Thanks again everyone.

I’m so sorry he’s injured you.
I believe that SARC centres are open over weekends and I do think you should find your local one and go tomorrow if you can. They will be able to check for infection in the cut etc.

They can collect evidence and store it even if you decide not to report.

💐

BumpandBounce · 16/02/2025 07:19

OP, your initial post sets out what happened but you might want to write down a detailed account of the events of the evening. If you decide to take it further, a witness statement will be invaluable and it’s better to get it all down now whilst it’s fresh in your mind.

Be as detailed as possible, describing exactly what words you both said, what you were both wearing, what you’d both drunk (if anything), the room, and the position of your bodies, hands, etc.

Sign and date it. Then you can just put it away in a drawer whilst you think about what you want to do.

LilacLilias · 16/02/2025 08:16

I'm really really sorry OP

I understand that his reaction seems confusing but of course he will play dumb - the other option would be to straight up admit he's a rapist.

I know it's hard when you thought they were a decent person. But, he isn't a decent person. His response is duplicitous. He is a rapist and I strongly suspect this isn't the first time he's done this to someone.

Please stay away from him and seek some support for yourself. You don't need his bs excuses. If you feel able to report that would be great, but understand that may be too traumatic.

LilacLilias · 16/02/2025 08:18

username299 · 14/02/2025 08:02

He knows what he did, I would say that he's a sexual predator. He's trying to pretend he doesn't know so he can see the OP again for a repeat performance or she doesn't report him.

Most men know that you need consent.

Absolutely.