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Pressured by new man (TW: sa?)

126 replies

Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 07:04

Yesterday I went round to the house of a man I’ve been seeing so that we could spend some time together. I’ve known him a long time and always thought he was a good man. It was clear before I went round that I wasn’t going to be having sex with him and that only kissing was on the cards. He said he was happy with that and respected my decision.

Our meet up initially went well- I won’t go into all the details of what went on as it would make this too long- however, I left his house yesterday feeling unsettled, a feeling that grew over the evening, and I’ve woken this morning feeling very upset.

There were a number of things that are bothering me:

Whilst kissing he kept getting his penis out and asking me to kiss it. I said no, he said ok, and then minutes later he’d be saying it again. This happened repeatedly (5-10 times) during the couple of hours we were together. Even though I didn’t do it, I felt very pressured to give him oral sex.

Whilst we were kissing he kept trying to put his hand inside my knickers. I kept saying no and stop, and pushing his hand away with my hand. At one point he grabbed my hand and held it tightly so that I couldn’t stop him from putting his fingers inside me. He was so rough that I’m now swollen between my legs and I have period type crampy pain across my lower body and lower back.

We laid down together kissing, with him on top. Both wearing clothes. He got his penis out and pushed it against my knickers and asked if he could pull my knickers to one side and hold himself against my vagina. I said no and again he tried to just do it. I said no again and he kept trying to do it. I said stop repeatedly and tried to stop him with my hand and again he grabbed my hand to prevent me from stopping him. He then forced his penis quickly inside me- I wasn’t expecting it or lubricated enough and it caused me to cry out in shock. He withdrew immediately and made a joke out of it and said it didn't count because he only entered me briefly. He said he just wanted to know what it felt like being inside me.

Anyway, as I drove home I felt unsettled as he has been so lovely, kind and caring outside of this incident. I spoke to him on the phone last night about it and said I was upset and explained why. He got very upset and apologetic, but then said that saying no at a time when you’re both sexually aroused isn’t the same as saying no before you initiate sexual contact. I disagreed with him and he seemed confused about where I was coming from. I said I’d been clear before we met and during our time together and he’d ignored that. He also said I’d been giving mixed messages because I was kissing him and he knew I wanted to have sex with him. I said again that I’d made it clear before we met what I wasn’t going to be doing and I was also clear during our time together as I kept saying no and stop, and pushing his hand away.

Anyway, we cleared the air last night and he felt bad and kept apologising and saying he’d never do anything to hurt me. However, I slept really badly last night and I woke at 5am today really upset about yesterday. But I’m not sure if I’m overreacting. He kept making jokes about how much I wanted him and he could tell I wanted to have sex with him, and it was what we’d both wanted. And now I’m thinking I’ve just messed up and shouldn’t have muddied the waters by being alone with him or kissing him. Or I should have just left when he first started pressuring me. I knew I was uncomfortable but yet I stayed.

My head is a mess now and I feel terrible because of yesterday, and terrible that I’ve upset him. But I’m also upset that he kept ignoring what I was saying and pressuring me, plus he penetrated me without my permission and without wearing a condom or knowing whether I was on birth control.

The whole thing seems a mess and I can’t think straight. I feel I’ve done something wrong and now he’s upset as well.

OP posts:
Namechangetheyarewatching · 14/02/2025 08:03

RainbowSlimeLab · 14/02/2025 07:10

Sorry to be blunt but he raped you. Please don’t see him again.

This

He isn't a good man

BellissimoGecko · 14/02/2025 08:05

He raped you. I'm sorry.

And he sexually assaulted you. He knew you don't consent, but he didn't care.

And on top of that, he's gaslighting you and manipulating you.

What a bastard.

I'm so sorry this happened to you. How are you today? 💐

UtterlyOtterly · 14/02/2025 08:07

I'm so sorry you were raped.

Flozle · 14/02/2025 08:08

RainbowSlimeLab · 14/02/2025 07:10

Sorry to be blunt but he raped you. Please don’t see him again.

This is what I was going to say. Please consider reporting this to the police.

sugarspiceandeverythingnice12 · 14/02/2025 08:09

Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 07:58

I was confused because he was down playing it and joking, but then would start crying. And it made me feel bad for even bringing it up with him. I know you're all right. I feel sick.

We are right

Please take our advice

Lots of love ❤️

RabbitsRock · 14/02/2025 08:12

So sorry OP. Reading that made me go cold. Please report him.

holly1483 · 14/02/2025 08:15

Oh sweetheart. He isn't confused. He's annoyed.

and he's a rapist.

please block him and NEVER contact him again. I hope you have supportive friends xx

Tiswa · 14/02/2025 08:15

he knows, he knows exactly what he is doing and his reaction is to wear you down so that next time you simply go along with it. He is definitely a rapist.

as to what to do - at a minimum protect yourself block him and seek some therapy if you can.

anything further such as reporting is up to you but if you need to just block him and move on do so

and I really would just block anything else is likely to be further gaslighting from him

TheseCalmSeas · 14/02/2025 08:15

He knows exactly what he did and I doubt it was the first time.

So sorry OP. Please don’t see him ever again and report if you feel able x

TwistedWonder · 14/02/2025 08:16

Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 07:58

I was confused because he was down playing it and joking, but then would start crying. And it made me feel bad for even bringing it up with him. I know you're all right. I feel sick.

He’s playing it down, apologising and crying because he knows he’s raped you and hrs shutting himself about being reported so he’s turning himself into the victim to gaslight you into doing nothing.

Please never speak to this man again and please speak to the police if you feel able to.

Sending love to you

Zippidydoodah · 14/02/2025 08:16

You were raped/assaulted 100%. Please don’t see him again. I’m sorry this happened to you 💐😢

It was NOT YOUR FAULT.

Medusa75 · 14/02/2025 08:17

sugarspiceandeverythingnice12 · 14/02/2025 07:32

Hes disgusting and vile

He raped you and if you feel you can you could report him to the police

Please ring

rapecrisis.org.uk/get-help/support-and-services/counselling/

They will help you

Please NEVER EVER EVER see or speak to this man again

This! 100%

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 14/02/2025 08:23

Even if you don’t feel up to reporting to the police please find your nearest SARC and have some evidence collected. That way if you decide to report at a later you will have a record of what happened physically as well as notes about the incident in case things get muddled in your mind. While its all still fresh in your mind (and body) at least take that step. Then you can consider whether you want to report to police.

Do you gave any messages about it or was it all talked about verbally?

I’m so sorry he did this to you. You trusted him enough to be alone with him and he totally betrayed that trust.

Medusa75 · 14/02/2025 08:23

Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 07:58

I was confused because he was down playing it and joking, but then would start crying. And it made me feel bad for even bringing it up with him. I know you're all right. I feel sick.

You have done absolutely nothing wrong. Please call Rape Crisis today.

Brainstem · 14/02/2025 08:24

Call Rape Crisis helpline, and take every possible form of support given. Have no further contact whatsoever with this man, regardless of whether you decide to report. I’m so sorry, OP. Be kind to yourself.

CharlieUniformNovemberTangoYankee · 14/02/2025 08:27

He's a filthy rapist bastard. No means no, it's that simple. I am so sorry this happened to you, none of it was your fault in any way whatsoever.
Please get support from rape crisis and, if you can, report him to the police. At the very least, please cease all contact with him - his tears are all for himself. He would do it all again if he could.
Take care of yourself x

anarlia · 14/02/2025 08:31

I'm so sorry. You've done nothing wrong.

honeylulu · 14/02/2025 08:33

Yes he is a rapist. He forced you. He knows he did too, hence his trying to laugh it off then crying.

Do you have any messages in writing where you state what he did? I think I would send one clearly stating that he raped you, kissing him was not consent to intercourse or other sexual contact but he forcibly sexually assaulted you and penetrated you while you repeatedly said no.

Then block and do not see him again.

The reason for the message is so you have some contemporaneous record supporting your version of events if you later decide to report.

wickerlady · 14/02/2025 08:37

Oh OP this isn't good.

Please be kind and trust yourself. What he did was very wrong.

ttcat37 · 14/02/2025 08:39

Sorry that this has happened to you. Please go to your local SARC centre today. It’s a confusing and upsetting time, but it’s important that you see a professional asap. You might decide in the future to report this to the police, and going to the SARC will mean health professionals can collect evidence of what happened to you and keep it until then. This can include swabs, or a description of any injuries. The staff that work in SARCs are absolutely lovely and you would be offered all the counselling support you could ask for and any medicine or tests you might want to consider.
It’s really important that you go today, not just because physical evidence won’t stay for too long, but because counselling intervention asap after a traumatic incident will help to prevent PTSD.

Alwaystired23 · 14/02/2025 08:41

Oh my god. I can't believe what I've read. He's sexually assaulted you, raped you, and is now gaslighting you. He's an absolute vile cunt. Please report him to the police. Do you have anyone who can support you in real life.

I know how awful and violated you feel. This is not your fault. You made it clear and said no multiple times. I'm so sorry, OP. He needs to be held accountable for his actions.

Medusa75 · 14/02/2025 08:49

Alwaystired23 · 14/02/2025 08:41

Oh my god. I can't believe what I've read. He's sexually assaulted you, raped you, and is now gaslighting you. He's an absolute vile cunt. Please report him to the police. Do you have anyone who can support you in real life.

I know how awful and violated you feel. This is not your fault. You made it clear and said no multiple times. I'm so sorry, OP. He needs to be held accountable for his actions.

100% agree - he said it didn’t count when he forcibly penetrated you, leaving you hurt. Let him explain in a police interview on tape how it didn’t count. I’m raging that he has tried to gaslight you like this.

TwistedWonder · 14/02/2025 08:50

Op don’t delete any messages as if you do decide to report him, they will provide evidence that he knew what he was doing.

JaffaCake70 · 14/02/2025 08:57

I don't often comment, I'm more of a lurker but feel compelled to agree with everyone else.

You did nothing wrong, please stop feeling guilty right now. He penetrated you without your consent. You were raped. Please don't see this sorry excuse for a man again.

GoldenLegend · 14/02/2025 08:58

He’s upset because he’s worried you’re going to report him for raping you. I hope you do feel able to report him.