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Pressured by new man (TW: sa?)

126 replies

Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 07:04

Yesterday I went round to the house of a man I’ve been seeing so that we could spend some time together. I’ve known him a long time and always thought he was a good man. It was clear before I went round that I wasn’t going to be having sex with him and that only kissing was on the cards. He said he was happy with that and respected my decision.

Our meet up initially went well- I won’t go into all the details of what went on as it would make this too long- however, I left his house yesterday feeling unsettled, a feeling that grew over the evening, and I’ve woken this morning feeling very upset.

There were a number of things that are bothering me:

Whilst kissing he kept getting his penis out and asking me to kiss it. I said no, he said ok, and then minutes later he’d be saying it again. This happened repeatedly (5-10 times) during the couple of hours we were together. Even though I didn’t do it, I felt very pressured to give him oral sex.

Whilst we were kissing he kept trying to put his hand inside my knickers. I kept saying no and stop, and pushing his hand away with my hand. At one point he grabbed my hand and held it tightly so that I couldn’t stop him from putting his fingers inside me. He was so rough that I’m now swollen between my legs and I have period type crampy pain across my lower body and lower back.

We laid down together kissing, with him on top. Both wearing clothes. He got his penis out and pushed it against my knickers and asked if he could pull my knickers to one side and hold himself against my vagina. I said no and again he tried to just do it. I said no again and he kept trying to do it. I said stop repeatedly and tried to stop him with my hand and again he grabbed my hand to prevent me from stopping him. He then forced his penis quickly inside me- I wasn’t expecting it or lubricated enough and it caused me to cry out in shock. He withdrew immediately and made a joke out of it and said it didn't count because he only entered me briefly. He said he just wanted to know what it felt like being inside me.

Anyway, as I drove home I felt unsettled as he has been so lovely, kind and caring outside of this incident. I spoke to him on the phone last night about it and said I was upset and explained why. He got very upset and apologetic, but then said that saying no at a time when you’re both sexually aroused isn’t the same as saying no before you initiate sexual contact. I disagreed with him and he seemed confused about where I was coming from. I said I’d been clear before we met and during our time together and he’d ignored that. He also said I’d been giving mixed messages because I was kissing him and he knew I wanted to have sex with him. I said again that I’d made it clear before we met what I wasn’t going to be doing and I was also clear during our time together as I kept saying no and stop, and pushing his hand away.

Anyway, we cleared the air last night and he felt bad and kept apologising and saying he’d never do anything to hurt me. However, I slept really badly last night and I woke at 5am today really upset about yesterday. But I’m not sure if I’m overreacting. He kept making jokes about how much I wanted him and he could tell I wanted to have sex with him, and it was what we’d both wanted. And now I’m thinking I’ve just messed up and shouldn’t have muddied the waters by being alone with him or kissing him. Or I should have just left when he first started pressuring me. I knew I was uncomfortable but yet I stayed.

My head is a mess now and I feel terrible because of yesterday, and terrible that I’ve upset him. But I’m also upset that he kept ignoring what I was saying and pressuring me, plus he penetrated me without my permission and without wearing a condom or knowing whether I was on birth control.

The whole thing seems a mess and I can’t think straight. I feel I’ve done something wrong and now he’s upset as well.

OP posts:
Annielou67 · 14/02/2025 08:59

Im really sorry. Please don’t speak to or go near this man again. He is toxic. He is criminal. He has violated you. The advice you have been given is good. Going to the police is hard, but it might stop this happening to someone else. I really hope you have some strong support around you.

NZDreaming · 14/02/2025 09:00

He got very upset and apologetic, but then said that saying no at a time when you’re both sexually aroused isn’t the same as saying no before you initiate sexual contact.

If he thinks this is true that is chilling and horrifying. Send him the video of ‘Tea Consent’ if he’s really that dense to believe saying no and physically blocking him is just playing hard to get. He probably knows he’s wrong and is trying to defend his horrific behaviour. I’m so sorry you experienced this @Kittylechat. It’s not ok and it’s not your fault.

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Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 07:58

I was confused because he was down playing it and joking, but then would start crying. And it made me feel bad for even bringing it up with him. I know you're all right. I feel sick.

The crying shows he absolutely knows what he did. Not sorry, but afraid of the consequences.

thepariscrimefiles · 14/02/2025 09:05

He sexually assaulted you and then raped you. He should be in prison. Please report him to the police and never, ever see him again.

He sounds really dangerous and he needs to be somewhere where he can't do this to you or any other women. His sense of entitlement is off the scale.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/02/2025 09:06

I believe you.

I would also urge you to go to the Police and also contact Rape Crisis.

Bibi12 · 14/02/2025 09:06

When me and my partner started kissing on the sofa he asked me if we could stop as he was getting too turn on to continue (he knew I wasn't ready to have sex). We made some tea and cuddled while watching a film and he was absolutely fine about it.

Men always have a choice. He chosed to assault you because his pleasure was more important to him then your safety and comfort. Even if it's true that he didn't realise how disgusting his behaviour was it still doesn't bode well for the future. I wouldn't want to be with someone who was so clueless about hurting me and crossing my boundaries and then use that as an excuse to miminise abusive behaviour or rape.

Raininginparadise2 · 14/02/2025 09:06

thepariscrimefiles · 14/02/2025 09:05

He sexually assaulted you and then raped you. He should be in prison. Please report him to the police and never, ever see him again.

He sounds really dangerous and he needs to be somewhere where he can't do this to you or any other women. His sense of entitlement is off the scale.

Absolutely this

WhoDatNow · 14/02/2025 09:06

I'm sure of three things

  • You did nothing wrong
  • He raped you
  • And then phoned to make sure you weren't reporting him / believed it was you in the wrong

Now I would respectfully advise

  • Morning after pill - if he was excited and inside you however briefly (or even from semen on his fingers) you need this
  • Talk to rape crisis
  • Never see this sex pest again

And if you feel you can report him then we all agree that would be A Good Thing.

Shitlord · 14/02/2025 09:08

I'm sorry but he sexually assaulted you. You made clear what your boundaries were, he pushed for more, and when you continued to say no, forced himself on you with his hand and penis. That's rape. Yes, you'd agreed to be there and didn't walk out straight away but were very clear you didn't want those things. I've been in similar situations a couple of times and it's confusing as the men will apologise partly for getting away but Will not admit it was SA or not your fault. They will try and blame shift or minimise. Don't look to him for validation of what happened. What's in it for him to admit what he is? Feel free to report to the police. He's a common or garden pervert.

Medusa75 · 14/02/2025 09:25

WhoDatNow · 14/02/2025 09:06

I'm sure of three things

  • You did nothing wrong
  • He raped you
  • And then phoned to make sure you weren't reporting him / believed it was you in the wrong

Now I would respectfully advise

  • Morning after pill - if he was excited and inside you however briefly (or even from semen on his fingers) you need this
  • Talk to rape crisis
  • Never see this sex pest again

And if you feel you can report him then we all agree that would be A Good Thing.

Good advice. OP, I hope you can see from the responses that what happened to you was a violation. It was rape. The tears are to guilt trip you into not reporting him.

Vignetta · 14/02/2025 09:26

I'm so sorry this happened to you and that it now means you have this burden of dealing with the medical and physical consequences, but do take it seriously. He sounds very dangerous and also confident, as if he's done it before, and I know it's tempting to downplay it but what happened in your description of events is a very serious sexual assault, even if it was brief. I cannot emphasise enough it's not normal or acceptable behaviour.

I would report this to the police as soon as you can, gather as much evidence as you can, and get professional help for your mental and physical health. It's very daunting to take something like this to the police but they are there to help you. Your account of it is detailed and completely chilling to me. People who sexually assault others often behave as if nothing is wrong or their actions have been misconstrued but that is part of the thrill for them (I had this and I regret falling for it at the time). If he really doesn't think he did anything wrong, he needs a wake-up call and a police interview sounds like a good start. His wellbeing is not your concern. He made a lot of choices that you didn't get a say in; he doesn't get a say in what happens next.

Again, so sorry you've had this horrible experience but you didn't do anything wrong. Whatever action you take now to deal with it will help a lot down the line with putting this behind you.

Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 09:28

I have no evidence from messaging because I stupidly wanted to speak to him rather than give him time to curate a carefully worded message in response. I'm now kicking myself for doing that. Thank you all for your responses. It's very much appreciated and has drummed the severity of the situation home. I'm going to speak to a friend about it later as I don't want to hold it in. And then I'll decide what I need to do.

OP posts:
Vignetta · 14/02/2025 09:31

Messaging would be nice to have but just because you don't have it doesn't mean you can't report him or that it wouldn't be taken seriously. I would also get some professional input as well as talking to your friend. Get all the information you need to make the best decisions for yourself that you can.

Sillybillyawards · 14/02/2025 09:32

You poor love, I'm sorry you experienced this.
Please don't see this man again.

You told him before and during the encounters that you didn't want to do those things and he did them anyway.

No man is entitled to your body whenever he wants; it's your body and you decide.

I promise there are good men out there who will respect your boundaries.

Chillibeds · 14/02/2025 09:37

You poor woman.
You were raped and he knows well.

The tears are for himself because he 100% knows he has raped you, committed a crime and now the consequences could be real.

He is utter scum.

At the very least, please consider telling the police his name so that he is on their radar.

It will help so much the next woman he rapes and the police who will know he has form.

I am so sorry.

Emptyflames · 14/02/2025 09:40

Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 07:58

I was confused because he was down playing it and joking, but then would start crying. And it made me feel bad for even bringing it up with him. I know you're all right. I feel sick.

I would think he has probably done this before, and probably got away with it.

He did assault you, and you should, if you can do, report to the police. You did not consent.

CraneBeak · 14/02/2025 09:46

Just to add my voice to everyone else's: this was rape. It not normal or legal. It wasn't your fault. Do not see him again and report him to the police.

Medusa75 · 14/02/2025 09:52

Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 09:28

I have no evidence from messaging because I stupidly wanted to speak to him rather than give him time to curate a carefully worded message in response. I'm now kicking myself for doing that. Thank you all for your responses. It's very much appreciated and has drummed the severity of the situation home. I'm going to speak to a friend about it later as I don't want to hold it in. And then I'll decide what I need to do.

Message him now and tell him you don’t want to see him or talk to him ever again because he penetrated you with his fingers and penis when you’d agreed just kissing. Don’t respond to any messages from him.

oakleaffy · 14/02/2025 09:53

Emptyflames · 14/02/2025 09:40

I would think he has probably done this before, and probably got away with it.

He did assault you, and you should, if you can do, report to the police. You did not consent.

This..I hope you can report to police just to have it on file..this sex pest is bound to have ''form'' for this kind of assault. Revolting specimen.
@Kittylechat

Nanny0gg · 14/02/2025 09:58

Kittylechat · 14/02/2025 09:28

I have no evidence from messaging because I stupidly wanted to speak to him rather than give him time to curate a carefully worded message in response. I'm now kicking myself for doing that. Thank you all for your responses. It's very much appreciated and has drummed the severity of the situation home. I'm going to speak to a friend about it later as I don't want to hold it in. And then I'll decide what I need to do.

Hopefully tell the police

And block him

Dolambslikemintsauce · 14/02/2025 10:02

I hope you find the strength to report him to the police.

Motnight · 14/02/2025 10:05

Op I hope that speaking to your friend helps, whatever you decide to do.

Snowmanscarf · 14/02/2025 10:06

Yuck, yuck, yuck.

Ditch the man. He has no respect for your boundaries.

ClairDeLaLune · 14/02/2025 10:22

I’m so sorry OP, he has raped you. Please go to the police, and also you need to get yourself checked out medically as he could have given you an STI. They’ll put you in touch with someone you can talk to who will help.

He’s such a piece of shit to do this and also try to gaslight you. You can say no at any time when you’re with a man and they have to respect that. Your body your choice.

I’m really sorry this has happened to you, please get help.

jessycake · 14/02/2025 10:30

I would just cut all contact , speak to rape crisis for support and advice be fully informed by experts .