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February 2025 Well we took you to Stately Homes

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/02/2025 12:07

A new thread indeed!.

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Happyfarm · 26/02/2025 14:39

I have been thinking a lot about identity lately and why I feel so plain weird sometimes. Since leaving my abusive marriage of 12 years 6 years ago I’ve been trying to get back to the person I was before I met him. Trying to pick up the same hobbies and likes and finding out I no longer like them or identity with them. I thought going back was the way forward, I thought that time was happy. I then realised that everything I did before meeting my husband was about fleeing my mum, finding ways to never need to move home. It’s a scary realisation that you actually had no real identity. I’ve realised that’s why I don’t have a version of me to go back to and everything is new and scary.

CheekySnake · 26/02/2025 15:13

binkie163 · 26/02/2025 14:02

@HappyfarmI have had all the bells and whistles but when you get a bit older all you want is a contented peaceful life, you want/need less. Stay away from drama and resentment, we need our energy for happiness xx
@CheekySnake I expect she is eeking it out because she thinks you may be useful later down the road. All her material snobbery won't take care of her when she becomes frail. These people are completely mercenary and without shame.
My mum always slagged everyone off, I once gave her a hard stare and said, yep bet you say the same shit about me when I leave! Her face was a picture, they are not as subtle or as clever as they think they are....wankers they just can't help it, they are not nice people.

I think you're right - she is making sure the contact keeps going, however limited and unwanted and superficial it is, just in case I'm useful in future. My DH describes her as selfish and jealous. As a child I had to work so hard to soothe moods, to not be difficult, to not be demanding. When I got a bit older (and still now) she would use me as a go between to deal with people she didn't want to deal with. When she felt she had a better offer she would drop me like a hot potato, and she'd become very cocky and unpleasant, almost like she didn't need to be kind to me any more. I can remember once when I was a kid, after several weeks of what felt like constant criticism and tellings off, saying to her that she was behaving like she didn't like me. She got this look on her face like she'd been caught with her hand in the cookie jar. I've never forgotten it.

Dogaredabomb · 26/02/2025 15:15

Re fatness, thinness blah blah. I'm in awe of anyone who comes out of what we did without weight / food / body issues to some extent. And there are so many of us, not me thankfully, with immune issues. It's fucked up.

Any idiot knows that food issues have almost nothing to do with food. Why is it anyone's business how much flesh covers your bones, it's bizarre. People really need to fuck off a lot more 🤣

Dogaredabomb · 27/02/2025 02:41

binkie163 · 25/02/2025 17:14

@Spendysis I think what helped me the most was talking honestly and openly about my family (on repeat loop) for a few months to husband and friends, I was certainly sick of it. It was like purging myself, I think the endless droning on about it resolved/processed it in my mind and it all fell into place, held no power over me anymore, anxiety became indifference. I suppose that's how therapy works.
I also stopped lying to other people about my mum and family. I didn't see why I should spare her shame and embarrassment, not that I think my mum was ever ashamed of her behaviour but I no longer kept the charade going. It was a big part of my accepting it wasn't my fault she was vile. Xx

I did the same I think. I droned endlessly to my poor best friend and purged it all out. I considered therapy but decided that I couldn't be arsed and diagnosed myself sane 🤪

I do think getting older is wonderful therapy in itself though. I can't believe I ever gave a shit about shit people.

Dogaredabomb · 27/02/2025 02:42

Although I'm not sure I'll share much about the foo with new people, mostly because I just cba.

SamAndAnnie · 27/02/2025 08:25

flapjack yes it's the same for me. I've only just walked away from it and none of them yet know, although I've dropped a heavy hint to those I intend to try to keep in touch with that all is not well between me and the others. I just reached that point I couldn't do it any more. I'm certain that in their minds they'll tell everyone they've no idea why I'm NC. This is because they don't see their behaviour as unreasonable in any way.

Thanks for this 🔻cheekysnake. Another piece of the puzzle slots into place.

When she felt she had a better offer she would drop me like a hot potato, and she'd become very cocky and unpleasant, almost like she didn't need to be kind to me any more. I can remember once when I was a kid, after several weeks of what felt like constant criticism and tellings off, saying to her that she was behaving like she didn't like me. She got this look on her face like she'd been caught with her hand in the cookie jar. I've never forgotten it.

I'm sure this is what's happened with sibling. Now that I'm refusing to provide information as entertainment and gossip fodder, I'm of no use. I apologised for something I didn't need to apologise for, and offered to do something to "right" it that I was almost certain sibling doesn't want me to do anyway, I just said it to see the reaction. It was exactly as you've described.

SlashingRedRibbons · 27/02/2025 09:54

@Dogaredabomb

Yes I can't believe I spent so much energy on shit people who didn't really care about me . I think as we get older we have an ephithany .

beachcitygirl · 01/03/2025 04:38

Birthday this week. Not a word. 😞

binkie163 · 01/03/2025 07:50

beachcitygirl · 01/03/2025 04:38

Birthday this week. Not a word. 😞

Happy birthday from me and my dogs. 1st day of spring, the robins, blue & great tits, sparrows, wrens, finches, 3 magpie, 1 jay all having their breakfast in my garden, singing happy birthday to you xxx

Happyfarm · 01/03/2025 08:09

Happy birthday from the silly duck outside our window this morning very early quacking its face off! Currently by the seaside!

littlemissprosseco · 01/03/2025 08:30

@beachcitygirl Happy birthday from me too. Give yourself an extra special little treat, just because……

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/03/2025 08:55

beachcitygirl

Happy belated birthday wishes from me too in the eastern Badlands!😁🎂🍾🍸🎉.

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FriendlyReminder · 01/03/2025 20:47

Happy birthday @beachcitygirl 🥰💐

FriendlyReminder · 01/03/2025 20:49

Dogaredabomb · 26/02/2025 15:15

Re fatness, thinness blah blah. I'm in awe of anyone who comes out of what we did without weight / food / body issues to some extent. And there are so many of us, not me thankfully, with immune issues. It's fucked up.

Any idiot knows that food issues have almost nothing to do with food. Why is it anyone's business how much flesh covers your bones, it's bizarre. People really need to fuck off a lot more 🤣

You are SO right! Very well said, thank you!

FriendlyReminder · 01/03/2025 20:49

Dogaredabomb · 26/02/2025 15:15

Re fatness, thinness blah blah. I'm in awe of anyone who comes out of what we did without weight / food / body issues to some extent. And there are so many of us, not me thankfully, with immune issues. It's fucked up.

Any idiot knows that food issues have almost nothing to do with food. Why is it anyone's business how much flesh covers your bones, it's bizarre. People really need to fuck off a lot more 🤣

You are SO right! Very well said, thank you!

Dogaredabomb · 02/03/2025 01:03

beachcitygirl happy birthday to you 💃 💃 💃 💃 💃 💃 💃 💃 💃 💃

flapjackfairy · 02/03/2025 08:38

@Dogaredabomb
@SamAndAnnie
Thank you for your comments . You are right of course. I need to cultivate a tougher skin which seems perfectly doable when I am at a distance but as soon as I am confronted with my family at close quarters I immediately crumble.
And I am a tough old stick in real life normally so it is so v frustrating .

flapjackfairy · 02/03/2025 08:38

@beachcitygirl
Hope you had a good birthday xxx

Spendysis · 02/03/2025 14:52

@beachcitygirl hope you had a good birthday

Spendysis · 02/03/2025 21:11

I've been having a down day could be hormones as I am perimenopausal. I also have a cyst on the crease of my leg which is annoying and I need it gone by next week as I go on holiday next week I have had this many times could be triggered by stress or being run down

I read a thread on her about silly things you have kept of your parents think the example was shoe polishing brushes and it made me sad and tearful I won't be given anything from dm no family heirlooms or anything i used to joke when we used to go to dm house to put up her decorations there was a Christmas decoration i wanted when she passed as I really liked it and dsis wasn't fussed on it. It's probably been binned now or dsis sold it as dm hasn't put up many decorations up for the last few years. Things from my childhood like old school photos the plate she got made with my birthday details on will probably have gone as well as i know dsis has been clearing things out in preparation for when dm dies she started doing this before we fell out
I do have the diary's dm wrote for dc and the photo albums she made for each of them dd when she was little always liked one of dm costume rings she called it the sweetie ring and dm promised it her not that it would fit but won't be given that as dsis has cut both my dc off as well

On searching the local death records which i periodically do as I think that is the only way i will find out dm has passed I saw one of dm friends has recently passed away we used to go away to wales every year with her and her daughter who is similar age to me so that set me off as well

CheekySnake · 03/03/2025 09:25

@Spendysis I've got nothing/inherited nothing from my father's side of the family, and TBH don't expect to get much from the other side. I don't even have childhood photos because basically there aren't any, not even school photos (my father decided when I was in primary school that the school photos weren't good enough and that he would get a friend of his to take photos instead. I was told to take the photos back to school, which led to me having to explain to my teacher that my father didn't like them. I was so embarrassed. Same thing happened the following year, and after that I refused to take them home. He never got his friend to take any photos of me. have no photos I can show my own DC, and I can't look at pictures of myself as an adult, I hate my face so much. Anyhow, I digress).

Not having these things makes you feel so disconnected. There's no history, no line of people you can look back on, no special things to take forward. I've realised that in my own life I have made a conscious effort to make sure that there are special things that my own dc will be able to carry forward (baby clothes, christmas ornaments, photographs, that sort of thing). I hope there will be happy memories. I don't have those.

I only found out he had died because I used to google his name periodically to see what came up. I still don't know how I feel about it. If I hadn't done that, I wouldn't know.

Can you go to your mum's house and knock on the door and see if she answers? Is that an option? (sorry if you've already said it's not).

Happyfarm · 04/03/2025 10:54

Do you think that being with a narcissist is a bit contagious? My daughter says that her dad is always putting me down and then putting up her step mum (they not married but he’s always told her to call her mum). Telling her that she is a better mum as my illness limits me in some aspects so apparently I’m not as good. It’s so upsetting for our child and this weekend she has come home in tears because she hates to hear him talking about me. What I can’t understand as the gf is herself a mum so how can she allow this or even go along with it? Unless the narcissism is rubbing off by association. When I was with him I hated this aspect and often brought it up because I don’t feel anyone is better then anyone (I got abused for bringing it up).

TheStrawHasBeenObliterated · 04/03/2025 11:20

I've been lurking in this thread for a while and decided to share my experiences. This post is a very-very long one but I just have to chuck my thoughts down so I appreciate anyone who reads it all through! Also new account used due to what I have written.

I don't even know where to begin as thinking it, let alone typing it, just makes me feel even worse about the shambles of my parents. It isn't even about any drama in the here-and-now (it can happen anytime though) but about previous issues that have created the ongoing feelings I have towards them.

I read with interest in January's thread about the body giving out and I think this is where I am at now; In the past 6 months it feels like I have been hit by a ten-tonne lorry and I cannot seem to climb out of the pit of despair I am drowning in.

I am an only child and I have had to shoulder and burden their behaviour for years and I think my age (44) and an incident last year (mentioned below) has broken the final straw. I think my mind is just spewing all this out there now as some sort of mid-life crisis or mental breakdown.

I have a very complex and horrible illness that leaves me over run with fatigue to the point where I feel extremely hungover (having not drank alcohol) and with what feels like a very severe cold over running me. It is extremely debilitating, can last for days without prior warning, and I have only just this past year discovered what it probably is. This has driven me to the point of total despair because I don't think I can mentally or physically cope any more on top of this flooding of memories about my parents.

I think it has taken me so long to figure our due to my father's martyr-complex when I was younger. He, and to an extent my mother, always had it worse in every single scenario which has led me to diminishing my own feelings of how bad I feel. I am sick of reading about how resilience is a virtue: in my case it has meant figuratively dragging myself over the hot coals and broken glass even when I was really ill (adrenal crisis).

They have never given me the full facts of my illness and the awful, undignified and cruel operations that were performed on me when I was a baby and up to a young teenager. I have tried to find out but notes from the 1980s and early 1990s are almost non-existent in terms of detail which has added even more anger to my plate.

They have never been honest to me and made me go through things that no child should ever have to do but what hurts the most is my mother never comforted me then or now: Never an arm around me; or calming words where I felt protected. She would just sit there in the hospital moaning about the waiting time whilst I sat there absolutely sh*tting myself as to what would be done to me today (she never told me what sort of appointment it would be you see...). Even at the age of approx 9 I had been conditioned to protect their moods and feelings. When doctors asked me if I knew why I was in the inpatient ward I would say “yes” when I had zero clue. When I came round from anaesthetic and felt sick she said to keep quiet or we wouldn't be able to go home. Charming isn't it?

Even today where I have wanted to talk about it she shuts me down. She is so emotionally immature that she cannot talk to me about 'grown up' subjects.

She has shown more emotions towards the dogs she has had over the years. They completely envelope her world and she was always at the vets with them and coddling them; if I dared say I was ill she would say things like "You know [name] isn't very well. You always choose days like this". Lovely.

I brought it up with her last year and how she should have let me have a voice to say no to this demeaning and frightening procedures and guess what she did? Put the phone down.

We have this once-a-week phone call thing going (she doesn't do texts or emails so I have to phone which sends my heart into overdrive) and so the following week I didn't call her. She put the phone down on me so I though fuck it. Another week went by and another week and nothing.

We had pulled the landline phone out at the time due to an excess of junk calls but both me and my partner have a mobile phone so she could have easily called me. Anyway, my partner checked the phone about 3 weeks later for any messages and guess who had left a message? My wonderful tactful father. In his best diplomatic phone voice he said, I am paraphrasing but it is pretty much as it was: "If you don't want to speak to us any more when we have done nothing wrong then we will up and move and not tell you where we are going". A completely reasonable and calm response. People who say men are less emotional than women can go whistle quite honestly.

I stupidly phoned them and my mother in her usual I-must-keep-father-calm-no-matter-how-shite-he-treats-our-only-daughter said it was "water under the bridge" (it isn't for me) and that she had told him off when she found out he'd made the call. I will believe the Earth is flat before I believe she grew a spine to do this. She has never stood up to him and I know for a fact that she had not told him she put the phone down on me (another throw daughter under-the-bus moment). She witnessed him shouting me into the ground on so many occasions without uttering a single solitary word of defence for me.

My parents are the complete opposite to each other and yet seem to fuel each others awful personalities and behaviour. I honestly have no idea how I even exist to be honest having seen them together for 35+ years. She is meek and he is like nitro glycerine on a cracking icy lake. She has enabled his foul behaviour towards me by never standing up to his, quite honestly, deranged anger attacks over little-to-nothing - it was never physical but insanely over-the-top followed by days of silence (I never grovelled for his forgiveness you see).

I despise myself for not standing up to them and it is eating me alive. I know a young me should never have been expected to stand up to them but I still cannot forgive myself for this. It has also had the effect on me now in that I am over-aggressive; I will not be that meek and mild woman like my mother but have gone too extreme.

There is a tonne of other awful things but the length of this post in pretty ridiculous as it is! Thankyou to anyone who has made it this far. I really do appreciate it.

littlemissprosseco · 04/03/2025 11:37

@TheStrawHasBeenObliterated
Is there any point?

For your own wellbeing just walk away. Even if you confront, you’ll not get answers, only blame.
It’s not worth it.

You know what they are, deep down they do too.

littlemissprosseco · 04/03/2025 11:41

I’m sorry you've experienced all this. I would just say that you can change things going forward. Live your life. You don’t have to forget or forgive. Just accept there was nothing you could do do change it. You won’t change them now. And move forward

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