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Husband has been violent and wants me to move with him from U.K. to my home country. It is tempting because I miss home. Please help me think this through.

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 15:14

Please help me think clearly around this. I am thinking with my emotions and I know I’m getting stuck and confused. My husband has a history of violence and coercive control (if he doesn’t get his way or something displeases him he goes to a “dark mood” and then eventually explodes with banging things, breaking things, throwing things - sometimes at me - or just scolding and shaming). Overt violence towards a person has been fairly rare, but it happens. He has shoved me openly and smashed/punched plastic storage containers that were located next to me at head height which terrified me. I confronted him about violence so he widened up and became covert and subtle, which tricked me for a while. The types of harm he does are now usually disguised as accidents when I or the children are targets. He typically throws something at me from behind and says it’s an accident. He hasn’t done it in a while. But Last weekend he slammed the large wooden sliding wardrobe doors multiple times in a rage when something bothered him. This Sunday I forgot to remind him that I had to sing in church, so he dipped into a sulk and I was terrified of what would happen, but thankfully it was only a shaming and scolding and painting himself as victim this time. He often tries to shame and scold me in a loud voice by listing my faults right as I am trying to go to sleep, since I made the mistake of telling him I can’t handle difficult conversations at bed time bc I’m too tired to think clearly. I now try to avoid him at bed time. We all walk on pins and needles around him. I never know when he will slip into a dark mood and when he is in the dark mood, what will happen. He acts like he is a victim, but he becomes dreadfully frightening. I dread weekends.

I have reported all of the harm / threats to police and children’s services and am documenting anything new. i realise the obvious answer is “leave him”. I am trying and it’s tricky because he has so much control, including over the money. He has stopped giving me an allowance because I got a part time job. My local women’s aid can’t take anyone on at moment because they are under funded. I have hounded them for support literally since last March. The other local DV charity said my DASH score is too high for them to help me. I had an IDVA in the past and am in the process of going back to my GP to ask to be re-referred to an IDVA so that I can start making plans to leave again. When I tried to leave before, it was too complicated because things didn’t line up (I had nowhere to go) and my husband left the house for a while so I could come back and promised to reform himself. I knew the improvements probably wouldn’t last, but he has been improved since then although I know it’s highly likely he will eventually resort to violence again and we need to get away from him.

We live in the U.K. but I am originally from the USA and met my husband when I came to the U.K. as a student. My husband tells me he is “done” with the city where we live in the U.K. and is done with the U.K. in general. He says he wants is to move to the USA now - to my home state - and is encouraging me to look for jobs there to anchor the move. For ages, it seemed he would never move and I was fine with that. I made many decisions based on the decision to do life here, including decisions that affect my career and financial prospects. Husband now speaks to me about this like he is desperate and like his life depends on it. Since I am right at the end of finishing a qualification here in the U.K. and have been secretly trying to prepare to leave him, all of this is very stressful. He acts like it is my fault that we can’t move NOW and he wants me to quit my part time job (which I just started this past autumn) so I can concentrate on completing my qualification and make an international move happen.

I know it’s crazy to even think of this, but the thought of moving to where I grew up so my kids can experience it really tugs at my heartstrings. I know how things work there and what opportunities exist for children etc. I start to think about how if we moved there and got divorced there, the kids and I might feel more supported since I know the community so well.

I also worry that if I divorce him here and not there, I might never be able to move back. Or at least not until the children are grown, due to custody arrangements. That would be approximately 7-10 years. I worry that life here as a single mum will be really difficult and that it might be better if the children and I were able to go back to my community.

when I take a step back, I think I am trying to plan for any and every eventuality, and I am probably over thinking. My husband is completely on my case, pressuring me to plan an international move and acting like he is a victim of my inability to make it happen as soon as yesterday. I worry that if I divorce him here, in the city that he apparently hates, that he will want to harm me even more and that he will become a dreaded enemy.

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Kahless · 09/02/2025 15:17

Why wouldn't you go back home? And divorce him there

cordeliavorkosigan · 09/02/2025 15:22

Does he have a job there?
Other posters who know more will be along soon but I suspect you might be right that if you leave after you all move, you can stay in the US with your kids as it will be their usual place of residence. Not sure how long you'd have to be there for that to be the case. But if you are all in the UK when you split, it's likely you wouldn't be able to take them to the US.
What a hard situation and it's great that you're set in leaving this abusive situation.. I really hope you get support and can do it soon

backawayfatty1 · 09/02/2025 15:22

He will try to harm you wherever you are. He is abusive.

What do you see for you & your children's future? UK or US? I would make moves based on what you want.

Don't give up your job. He is trying to control you financially. I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind once you had quit. Or will make it look like you are trying to leave the UK without his permission.

It sounds like you are in danger, especially if he finds out you have been making plans to leave.

I personally would leave asap, whatever that route may be.

LouiseTopaz · 09/02/2025 15:22

I'm so sorry you're going through this, but please don't quit your job. He could turnaround and suddenly change his mind about moving, it seems like this is another way for him to control you. Go along with wanting to move but save us up as much money as possible and leave him.

EmmaMaria · 09/02/2025 15:25

If you want to move back to the US then do so in your own time, and without him.

ChooseTheBear · 09/02/2025 15:25

Does he have the right to move without you? Or are you establishing a job there to cover income requirements to sponsor him?

I would finish my qualifications here. Then agree to take the children to America, find a job and when you're meeting the income requirements say you'll apply to sponsor him.

Give it about six months to a year. But actually after that time I'd divorce him. Once they're in school and living in the country for that length of time you'll have established them as resident. He won't be able to just take them as it's a Hague Convention country. Fuck that guy. Do not sponsor him. He can visit annually.

StamppotAndGravy · 09/02/2025 15:27

It sounds like moving back would be an excellent idea, especially if you're near your family. If you then divorce him, he'll probably have to leave the country, so even better. The main thing to be wary of is that I believe some states make it easier for the father to take the kids than others. Make sure he doesn't manage to isolate you further as a result of the move though, because realistically a lot of your old friends and family will have moved on and might not be much practical support.

Whatnowthenfordone · 09/02/2025 15:28

EmmaMaria · 09/02/2025 15:25

If you want to move back to the US then do so in your own time, and without him.

She wouldn’t be able to take the kids this way.

I would move and then divorce him in the US.

Florence19791 · 09/02/2025 15:30

Do you have family there? It wasn’t clear. Will they be supportive? If so I’d do what others have suggested. Finish your qualification and move there but be prepared for him to change his mind on the 11th hour and have a contingency plan for this.

username299 · 09/02/2025 15:31

You can try to get into a refuge and file for divorce. For that you can contact the National Domestic Abuse Helpline.

To find out what help there is in your area type "Domestic Abuse help + your area". You'll hopefully have several options.

You need to get legal advice first before moving or divorcing. You can contact the Rights of Women who offer free legal advice or FLOWS.

You have legal options which you can apply for for free such as a Non Molestation Order or Occupation Order and can discuss those with one of the organisations above.

ChooseTheBear · 09/02/2025 15:31

If you do choose to bring him to the US and then divorce him you'll have an easier time getting child support, but if you're not desperate for it I would really just try not to help him get there at all.

If he is coercive sexually, I'd be worried about the risks of getting pregnant and being able to abort at the moment.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 15:36

Kahless · 09/02/2025 15:17

Why wouldn't you go back home? And divorce him there

This is what I am considering. It would delay the divorce, though. Legally, our marriage took place in the U.K. The move will take time. Then it will take time to establish domicile / residence for the children. I am wondering if it is worth it to continue what feels like complete charade of a marriage for probably another year. His track record of violence hasn’t been extreme - a shove, throwing an item at me that bruised me, throwing scissors at me from across the room… that was more scary … But I feel that it is still a risk to stay with him longer. I would rather be back home with my children and apparently he wants a fresh start and would like to try living there since his career seems to be at a dead end here. Moving there might put him in a great mood for a short time.

But I also think of the access to guns. 😬 That does worry me.

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Boopeedoop · 09/02/2025 15:37

Are you sure it's not a trick?

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 15:41

cordeliavorkosigan · 09/02/2025 15:22

Does he have a job there?
Other posters who know more will be along soon but I suspect you might be right that if you leave after you all move, you can stay in the US with your kids as it will be their usual place of residence. Not sure how long you'd have to be there for that to be the case. But if you are all in the UK when you split, it's likely you wouldn't be able to take them to the US.
What a hard situation and it's great that you're set in leaving this abusive situation.. I really hope you get support and can do it soon

Thank you so much. Yes, we would have to live in my home state about six months to establish residency for custody purposes. If we divorce sooner, or divorce here in the U.K., then he could use The Hague Convention to require us to come back to the U.K. If I left the U.K. with the children without his permission (in a legal form) then it would be international kidnapping. I’m definitely not going to do that.

ETA - He doesn’t have a job there. He’s gotten at least one offer (in the past). I would need him to get a job on his own merits and not simply because he is my spouse. I think he partly wants to go over there and have me find a job first and become the main breadwinner for a while, which would make it much harder for me in a divorce. I would not consider going without him having a job.

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dorathexplorer · 09/02/2025 15:46

Does he have convictions in the UK that he is trying to escape too?

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 15:47

EmmaMaria · 09/02/2025 15:25

If you want to move back to the US then do so in your own time, and without him.

I’m considering this, too. It might be 7-10 years (when the children are grown or when my youngest is 12-13 - assuming that’s when children can state their wishes regarding where they want to live?).

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 15:52

dorathexplorer · 09/02/2025 15:46

Does he have convictions in the UK that he is trying to escape too?

No convictions. I didn’t try to have him arrested for DV when police offered. I was completely blindsided. I had called NSPCC for advice and guidance and just to make sure I was handling things right to protect my children and they told me to report him to police regarding what he had done to me. I worried that if he was arrested that there wasn’t enough evidence and it would be “he said she said” and then he would come home enraged and I would be homeless. That sounded like a bad move to me. I can’t believe this is my life, but it is.

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wordler · 09/02/2025 15:54

What’s your current legal status in the UK - have you gained citizenship yet? If you haven’t and then you go back to the US you will lose your right to live in the UK if your children decide to move back to the UK at some point in the future.

The US spousal visa process takes quite a while - can be up to a year or more - so no move is going to be quick even if you were ready to go today. You will be the primary sponsor and either need to be earning a specific amount of money or hold it in assets. If you have a home you are selling as part of the move the US immigration dept in the UK usually lets you use that as assets. Your husband won’t be able to get a job over there without his spousal visa approval - although he could get offers ahead of the move.

Make sure you get your kids their US passports so they have proof of citizenship and won’t need visas.

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/02/2025 15:55

Why are you even considering this?

Go home, alone.

wordler · 09/02/2025 15:55

The spousal visa includes a police background check so if he has any convictions he might not be able to move to the US.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 15:56

Boopeedoop · 09/02/2025 15:37

Are you sure it's not a trick?

I really do think he wants a fresh start, especially in terms of his career, which has not gone well for the past 9-10 years here. However, an underlying motive might be to obtain more control. He might, for example, try to persuade me to move somewhere where I don’t really know anyone, which means we have left the support network we built here in the U.K. to go to a place where we don’t know many people. I am probably more confident in the USA since I know how things work there, so that is an advantage even if we move somewhere where we don’t know many people.

i think part of his desire to move is also related to his desire to escape his dad, who lives in our city, and with whom he has a strained relationship.

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GCAcademic · 09/02/2025 15:56

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/02/2025 15:55

Why are you even considering this?

Go home, alone.

But she can't go home alone. Not with her kids, anyway.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 15:57

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/02/2025 15:55

Why are you even considering this?

Go home, alone.

I would if I didn’t have children. I have three children. Legally they can’t move back there with me w/out their father’s consent.

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Quitelikeit · 09/02/2025 15:57

Op

You act like this man is in charge and in control of you

He is not and you need to understand the damage that this is doing to your children

They have witnessed abuse and I cannot begin to tell you the long term impacts on their lives this is going to have

You could report him to the police, they can exclude him from the property

Is it mortgaged? You are entitled to half of it in the event of a divorce

You can claim universal credit, housing benefit, child benefit

Trouble is you are terrified to do anything

You can’t do this alone and that is why you need to go to the police or SS who will take action alongside you to ensure you are protected

That pathetic man relies on your silence

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 15:58

wordler · 09/02/2025 15:55

The spousal visa includes a police background check so if he has any convictions he might not be able to move to the US.

He doesn’t have convictions. I have reported him to police, though. For DV. It’s possible that might show up. What a way for him to find out 😬

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