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Husband has been violent and wants me to move with him from U.K. to my home country. It is tempting because I miss home. Please help me think this through.

88 replies

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 15:14

Please help me think clearly around this. I am thinking with my emotions and I know I’m getting stuck and confused. My husband has a history of violence and coercive control (if he doesn’t get his way or something displeases him he goes to a “dark mood” and then eventually explodes with banging things, breaking things, throwing things - sometimes at me - or just scolding and shaming). Overt violence towards a person has been fairly rare, but it happens. He has shoved me openly and smashed/punched plastic storage containers that were located next to me at head height which terrified me. I confronted him about violence so he widened up and became covert and subtle, which tricked me for a while. The types of harm he does are now usually disguised as accidents when I or the children are targets. He typically throws something at me from behind and says it’s an accident. He hasn’t done it in a while. But Last weekend he slammed the large wooden sliding wardrobe doors multiple times in a rage when something bothered him. This Sunday I forgot to remind him that I had to sing in church, so he dipped into a sulk and I was terrified of what would happen, but thankfully it was only a shaming and scolding and painting himself as victim this time. He often tries to shame and scold me in a loud voice by listing my faults right as I am trying to go to sleep, since I made the mistake of telling him I can’t handle difficult conversations at bed time bc I’m too tired to think clearly. I now try to avoid him at bed time. We all walk on pins and needles around him. I never know when he will slip into a dark mood and when he is in the dark mood, what will happen. He acts like he is a victim, but he becomes dreadfully frightening. I dread weekends.

I have reported all of the harm / threats to police and children’s services and am documenting anything new. i realise the obvious answer is “leave him”. I am trying and it’s tricky because he has so much control, including over the money. He has stopped giving me an allowance because I got a part time job. My local women’s aid can’t take anyone on at moment because they are under funded. I have hounded them for support literally since last March. The other local DV charity said my DASH score is too high for them to help me. I had an IDVA in the past and am in the process of going back to my GP to ask to be re-referred to an IDVA so that I can start making plans to leave again. When I tried to leave before, it was too complicated because things didn’t line up (I had nowhere to go) and my husband left the house for a while so I could come back and promised to reform himself. I knew the improvements probably wouldn’t last, but he has been improved since then although I know it’s highly likely he will eventually resort to violence again and we need to get away from him.

We live in the U.K. but I am originally from the USA and met my husband when I came to the U.K. as a student. My husband tells me he is “done” with the city where we live in the U.K. and is done with the U.K. in general. He says he wants is to move to the USA now - to my home state - and is encouraging me to look for jobs there to anchor the move. For ages, it seemed he would never move and I was fine with that. I made many decisions based on the decision to do life here, including decisions that affect my career and financial prospects. Husband now speaks to me about this like he is desperate and like his life depends on it. Since I am right at the end of finishing a qualification here in the U.K. and have been secretly trying to prepare to leave him, all of this is very stressful. He acts like it is my fault that we can’t move NOW and he wants me to quit my part time job (which I just started this past autumn) so I can concentrate on completing my qualification and make an international move happen.

I know it’s crazy to even think of this, but the thought of moving to where I grew up so my kids can experience it really tugs at my heartstrings. I know how things work there and what opportunities exist for children etc. I start to think about how if we moved there and got divorced there, the kids and I might feel more supported since I know the community so well.

I also worry that if I divorce him here and not there, I might never be able to move back. Or at least not until the children are grown, due to custody arrangements. That would be approximately 7-10 years. I worry that life here as a single mum will be really difficult and that it might be better if the children and I were able to go back to my community.

when I take a step back, I think I am trying to plan for any and every eventuality, and I am probably over thinking. My husband is completely on my case, pressuring me to plan an international move and acting like he is a victim of my inability to make it happen as soon as yesterday. I worry that if I divorce him here, in the city that he apparently hates, that he will want to harm me even more and that he will become a dreaded enemy.

OP posts:
wordler · 09/02/2025 16:40

Honestly now with the scissors comment I agree with a PP that you shouldn’t risk the long game move back to the US.

Find a way to leave asap - yes, you might not be able to move the children home for a while but that time will pass quickly.

You’ll be able to build up your pension credits in the UK - take advantage of a much better welfare state to support you as a single parent. Get your UK citizenship if you don’t already have it which will future proof you for any future moves.

Then when the kids are older you could all move to the States if you want to. If you move and manage to do ten years of work over there too you’ll be able to have a US state pension as well as the UK one. (Assuming both countries still have state pensions by then of course)

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 09/02/2025 16:42

could this be a trick to get you to give up your qualification and your job and move to the US to "set things up" for the rest of the family. Whilst he then changes to staying in the house, keeping the equity, possibly keeping the kids?

Expert advice needed... and RL support. Your job and qualilfications are your path to freedom. But it sounds as though you need to safeguard yourself as get away from him as soon as possible if you can, whether you stay here in the UK or move to the US. He sounds like he might get worse, so it would be wise to have a rapid escape plan (secret savings, paperwork saved, perhaps a packed bag at a friends' etc)

Marshbird · 09/02/2025 16:58

My advice…it’s not the USA Vs uk decision that’s holding you in a indecisive mode, it’s the divorce.

meanwhile you are in an abusive toxic marriage, where hope is stopping you making change.

take usa out the equation

you can develop support networks here, family are available on line for support.

start to figure out what you’d get from divorce right now - go to divorce chat board and link into ADVICE NOW, to understand law on “ fair settlement “ and future needs. If he is in work full time and you’re part time and studying you will include that in that outcome.

then try to visualise your life post divorce in uk…in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years..do some research, really understand what it’ll look and feel like for you. But make it about a uk future. Think about where you’ll live, how child custody may work, how you could build support networks here etc.

only once you visualise a reality can you really move on imhe. I did this to end a 30 year marriage with abusing spouse. Until then you’re living with the unknown. And fear is the unknown. Fill the void of unknown with information and a vision of the future and the fear of change will start to lessen

then act. The USA piece is a seperately decision for you to make. Not him. It may be easy in a few years if he looses interest in kids and isn’t bothered, or you may need to wait…

be clear, the pull to USA is because you want safety of your supportive loving network, because you’re being abused. That’s a strong pull. But given your unique circumstances it’ll delay you doing anything about exiting this relationship or carries real risk of just transferring your abuse to another country. Focus on the relationship issues, the USA vs uk decision will drop out of that once you start to make change to your current life

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 16:58

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/02/2025 15:59

ShuffleShuffleSpin · Today 15:57

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 15:55
Why are you even considering this?
Go home, alone.
I would if I didn’t have children. I have three children. Legally they can’t move back there with me w/out their father’s consent

Are the courts aware of the domestic violence?

I applied for legal aid and was granted legal aid for an injunction order about 10 months ago. It took longer than I thought for legal aid to be granted. It was not granted for any of the orders requested for my children (prohibited steps order, lives with order - not granted). Legal aid society said I needed to work out arrangements for my children with my husband. I did not follow through with it because solicitor said it would take the court a while (weeks) to grant injunction order and that my h could contest it which might delay it. I had nowhere to go at the time and had not gotten a refuge place. I knew the council would give me a hotel room to prevent me from being homeless. I had to consider whether I was ready to press “detonate” on the marriage without a job. Maybe I should have gone for it. It didn’t help that my solicitor told me that the court might not look favourably on the fact that I allowed my husband to travel with me to visit my unwell mother in the USA while waiting for legal aid to come thru. But he bought the tickets. And I believed it was safer to go because he wanted to go and it put him in a great mood, versus how angry he would I have been had I insisted we not go. Anyway. I applied for legal aid. So maybe the courts know based on that?

OP posts:
tsalty · 09/02/2025 17:00

Hi @ShuffleShuffleSpin i am from the UK and currently going through the green card process with my husband, who is from the US. He had to produce a fuck ton of tax returns and meet certain income requirements for the application to even be possible. Then there are the lawyer and filing fees. I would not recommend that you try this without a lawyer as there is a lot of detail in the process that would have flummoxed me. I think between the fees, the cost is $5K. I will have to pay more down the line for a medical and the police checks etc, let’s say another $1K all in.

in addition, the process takes at least 9 months. For him to join you, he will need travel to the US on an ESTA in the meantime. In this application, you make a declaration that you will be using a non immigrant visa to enter the country and will not use it to enter and stay. For him to then stay, he will have lied on the application and my lawyer says this is not advised at all. Indeed, even when Biden was still in, they were deporting people who had filed for a green card and just stayed while the process was happening. So this is not advisable. Sure, you and the DCs could go in September, but it would be unrealistic for him to assume he could join you then.

i would reach out to an immigration solicitor and just offer the facts (without mention of the abuse) just to have the knowledge of whether your current circumstances would allow for him to apply in the short term. And by this I mean that you haven’t been in the US for a certain amount of years, might not have filed tax and don’t have a job. I believe that you could find out this information without having to pay for it in an initial reach out.

im sorry, doesn’t help with your current situation domestically, it’s just my experience of how this process works.

and yes, bin the fucker

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 17:12

tsalty · 09/02/2025 17:00

Hi @ShuffleShuffleSpin i am from the UK and currently going through the green card process with my husband, who is from the US. He had to produce a fuck ton of tax returns and meet certain income requirements for the application to even be possible. Then there are the lawyer and filing fees. I would not recommend that you try this without a lawyer as there is a lot of detail in the process that would have flummoxed me. I think between the fees, the cost is $5K. I will have to pay more down the line for a medical and the police checks etc, let’s say another $1K all in.

in addition, the process takes at least 9 months. For him to join you, he will need travel to the US on an ESTA in the meantime. In this application, you make a declaration that you will be using a non immigrant visa to enter the country and will not use it to enter and stay. For him to then stay, he will have lied on the application and my lawyer says this is not advised at all. Indeed, even when Biden was still in, they were deporting people who had filed for a green card and just stayed while the process was happening. So this is not advisable. Sure, you and the DCs could go in September, but it would be unrealistic for him to assume he could join you then.

i would reach out to an immigration solicitor and just offer the facts (without mention of the abuse) just to have the knowledge of whether your current circumstances would allow for him to apply in the short term. And by this I mean that you haven’t been in the US for a certain amount of years, might not have filed tax and don’t have a job. I believe that you could find out this information without having to pay for it in an initial reach out.

im sorry, doesn’t help with your current situation domestically, it’s just my experience of how this process works.

and yes, bin the fucker

Thank you so much for this. That is great advice. Strategically I simply had not thought about moving over ahead of time and settling the children and divorcing bc I didn’t realise how the green card process worked. I have always been religious about filing tax returns in both the U.K. and the USA and have never missed any, even when I was a SAHM earning £5/year. So that side of things is solid. All of us have dual USA / UK passports so that side of things is also in order. Great advice to reach out to an immigration solicitor about this.

I do wonder if the fact that I reported his DV will mean he can’t get a green card. I’m a very rule following person so I’m not going to hide it if it’s one of the questions.

OP posts:
JustSawJohnny · 09/02/2025 17:19

Get your finances in order, gather documents for the kids, book flights and go home. You can state that it is a holiday then report him for DV again and state that neither you or the kids are safe to return to the UK.

He is abusive in every way possible.

Do not allow him to come to the US with you. YOU need a fresh start, not him!

Do you have family to stay with while you look for a job, OP?

Marriumph · 09/02/2025 17:37

I'd actually find a way to leave /run away with the kids. I don't think a man who's abusing you - and likely to kill you (the mother of his kids) - has his kids' best interests at heart. I'd be safeguarding my kids from witnessing and possibly becoming actual victims to his violence...before it becomes reality.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 17:49

Marshbird · 09/02/2025 16:58

My advice…it’s not the USA Vs uk decision that’s holding you in a indecisive mode, it’s the divorce.

meanwhile you are in an abusive toxic marriage, where hope is stopping you making change.

take usa out the equation

you can develop support networks here, family are available on line for support.

start to figure out what you’d get from divorce right now - go to divorce chat board and link into ADVICE NOW, to understand law on “ fair settlement “ and future needs. If he is in work full time and you’re part time and studying you will include that in that outcome.

then try to visualise your life post divorce in uk…in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years..do some research, really understand what it’ll look and feel like for you. But make it about a uk future. Think about where you’ll live, how child custody may work, how you could build support networks here etc.

only once you visualise a reality can you really move on imhe. I did this to end a 30 year marriage with abusing spouse. Until then you’re living with the unknown. And fear is the unknown. Fill the void of unknown with information and a vision of the future and the fear of change will start to lessen

then act. The USA piece is a seperately decision for you to make. Not him. It may be easy in a few years if he looses interest in kids and isn’t bothered, or you may need to wait…

be clear, the pull to USA is because you want safety of your supportive loving network, because you’re being abused. That’s a strong pull. But given your unique circumstances it’ll delay you doing anything about exiting this relationship or carries real risk of just transferring your abuse to another country. Focus on the relationship issues, the USA vs uk decision will drop out of that once you start to make change to your current life

Edited

Thank you for every word you wrote here. I think you are spot on. I think the USA move (which to be honest I wasn’t even really thinking of until my husband started championing it!) is a big distraction. It has a huge pull for me, to be sure. I do think of love and safety and community. But I worry it will cause a huge delay. Not doing it prior to divorce may cost me to opportunity to move there with my children and I may have to wait until they grow up due to custody. I may need to make peace with that. Or perhaps he decides he is happy for me to take time there.

OP posts:
ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 17:54

JustSawJohnny · 09/02/2025 17:19

Get your finances in order, gather documents for the kids, book flights and go home. You can state that it is a holiday then report him for DV again and state that neither you or the kids are safe to return to the UK.

He is abusive in every way possible.

Do not allow him to come to the US with you. YOU need a fresh start, not him!

Do you have family to stay with while you look for a job, OP?

The thing is that he may still be granted custody by the courts. And for that reason, I can’t simply leave with the children for another country.

OP posts:
Flopsythebunny · 09/02/2025 18:01

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/02/2025 15:55

Why are you even considering this?

Go home, alone.

She can't take the children without his or the courts permission

NeedsMustNet · 09/02/2025 18:02

Only move if you both have found good jobs and schools for the children there first. He will- as others say - be wanting you not to work and to have more financial control.

Does anyone else know you want to leave him?

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 20:37

NeedsMustNet · 09/02/2025 18:02

Only move if you both have found good jobs and schools for the children there first. He will- as others say - be wanting you not to work and to have more financial control.

Does anyone else know you want to leave him?

Yes. My best friend knows and she and her husband have said my children and I can stay at their house as long as needed if it comes to that. I can’t stay with my parents bc my mother now has dementia and their home is no longer suitable for visitors, but before my mother became so unwell, she fully supported my leaving. I can also stay with my brother and his family. They live far away (a 2 hour plane flight) from the area where we grew up so that would be less than ideal. I also have friends here in the Uk who know I want to leave and who are supporting me emotionally. Two have offered there homes if a short term solution is needed. I feel I will probably lose my church if I divorce - part of that might simply be in my head. I feel it would be horribly awkward to go back there as a divorced woman since it is a very family focussed church and everyone knows my husband and me. I will probably need to go to a new church and start over. I have not told anyone at work that I want to leave my husband. They do have well-being support and I could probably get in touch with that department. Maybe I should tell work. They are lovely and supportive in general. I wanted them to see me as together and professional but perhaps I am being silly about that. This is a serious problem and they will need to know eventually in come capacity. I have already reflected on potentially telling HR after the divorce.

OP posts:
NeedsMustNet · 09/02/2025 21:02

OP - I don’t know how to reply to your message without quoting the whole thing - I think you are absolutely right to think over the pros and cons of leaving and divorcing in the U.K. vs. in the U.S.. If you separate in the U.S. will your husband have the right to work there? Will he work there, or do you think there is a danger his wish to relocate conceals some other plan?

I am sure God is far bigger than just one church and its community - and I’m not even a true believer. If church doesn’t want you when you rebuild your life in the image of a happier place for your kids and yourself then you don’t want to be part of it anyway. Or do you? I can see you are looking ahead at all the potential speed bumps and hopefully you are coming to accept this possibility already.

Based on all the ducks in a row info ever shared here and on my own knowledge of assisting women in roughly your shoes, I think it’s more important to get some basic legal advice on your own situation - in the event of separation - first, before you tell anyone else - and especially your work, who don’t really need to know. If you are thinking of applying for jobs / moving in the U.S. it might be better not to tell them until you have got one and have plans in place. If you decide to stay here, different story.

In your shoes I’d want to know whether the financial separation would be easier and more beneficial to effect from here than there, from the POV of your legal rights. Once you know that - if you don’t know it already everything else becomes clearer.

Another thing I would say is that I would recommend you and your kids not live with friends or family while you are adjusting to divorcing life unless you absolutely have to. Unless you are 100% sure you will like it and don’t have the cash to do any different! It means he doesn’t have to support you as much from the start, and from there he is unlikely to do better. But that’s just a suggestion!

Quitelikeit · 09/02/2025 21:07

Op

it is great that other people know what is going on and you are being supported

but I think you are correct - you are frozen and terrified - I imagine that many of your friends have offered you advice on how to possibly get away as is happening here but you have been unable to act

now this man is certainly dangerous and at times when you might try to leave the risk he poses increases enormously

if you can have a great life in the US why not follow that route and divorce him once he is over there - then he would find it very hard to get the kids back to the U.K. without your agreement and no judge would order a change of residency to the U.K. once you had established yourself in the US

Remember you are in charge of your own destiny , not him. He is a vile abusive bully who does not deserve a beautiful family - he is slowly destroying you. If anything the church would support you - you should even confide in them about what is happening

I know it’s hard but you must make a plan to escape him

Ankhmo · 09/02/2025 21:16

My husband has a history of violence

Then he shouldn't be your husband.

Legal advice and divorce asap.

Don't move to a different country etc.

dorathexplorer · 10/02/2025 00:00

I would say this post is very outing now.

BettyBardMacDonald · 10/02/2025 00:04

I can't even fathom the damage being done to your children on a daily basis. Irreversible damage. How can you not be exiting this marriage with all possible urgency instead of musing about years in the future??

YourHappyJadeEagle · 10/02/2025 00:29

Only thing I can think of is use the job you have and qualification you will have to gain employment in the US. So you say to your husband there’s a good chance I can get X job there with my work record, the references I’ll have and my qualification. Make that the positive so you finish your qualification & keep your job. You’ve also set a time scale to work to.
I think once you’re home and you’ve got family support you and the children move in with them asap. Abusive men are all very forceful against one woman with no witnesses but can crumble quickly when faced with a few male relatives of the woman. He’s in a foreign country then so hopefully more on the back foot.

I wish you the best of luck, and hope your husband gets exactly what he deserves.

WordSmorgaspord · 10/02/2025 04:57

This is horrible op I'm so sorry.

Is there any way you could get legal advice to see if there's a way you could take DC to the US without him asap?

I realise it might not be possible but a legal perspective might be helpful

WordSmorgaspord · 10/02/2025 05:01

I am concerned this suggestion of his is some kind of tactic, and big things like moving can bring out the worst in people at the best of times. It could be also that he is saying this as a way to get you to stay knowing it would be a good option for you to move, he may not genuinely intend to do it. It sounds risky to me to go through this with him. Although it would be ideal if you and DC could go

ThatEllie · 10/02/2025 05:26

I would absolutely move, and then work on divorce once you are sure that the children will be able to stay in the US with you. I don’t think it will take too long considering that they’re dual citizens.

Frankly, you and your children will be better protected from him in the US. Not only because you’re American but also because they’re better about not fobbing off domestic abuse/violence the way our police tend to. The stories on here of women attempting and often failing to get police help are shocking.

And if you do end up having to call the police on him (I hope not, but if so), they are also vastly better about putting the children first and protecting them from an abuser. Here we prioritise father’s rights and judges often insist that he still sees them, even if he’s been violent towards them or their mother.

FrauPaige · 10/02/2025 05:33

Move to your home state in the US near family and allow male relatives/acquaintances that have an appreciation of the second amendment to temper his outbursts. He'll soon come home of his own accord. Choreograph proceedings to allow you full residential and custody rights.

Domestic violence - whether threat, psychological or physical harm is not acceptable and this has persisted for too long.

Bayonetlightbulb · 10/02/2025 05:33

Would there be a concern over him being able to access guns readily in the US given his history of DV?

oakleaffy · 10/02/2025 06:14

@ShuffleShuffleSpin You HAVE to leave this abusive asshole.

I'm not sure of the legalities of divorce , but it seems that if you can divorce the asshole/arsehole in the USA, all the better-

Definitely go back to where you have support!

You won't know yourself when free of this vile man.

Peace and quiet...and zero violence.